Let's all create a list of all the players in franchising that don't deserve to be there. I will be taking suggestions from the comments provided they are not bait.
The list so far is...
Seoldam
crow
soulcas
Destrian
xms
LightningFast
Sushiboys
keloqz
xnfri
eKo
takeJ
SkRossi
Derrek
stellar
Reita
Tacolilla
GodDead
ANGE1
Boo
koldamenta
fl1pzjder
tuyz
AntiWest [#7]looking forward to this list throughout the season, time to expose the frauds once and for all.
Amen brotha
G2ShahZaM [#9]carpe, seoldam, SouhcNi, 60% of the Team Secret roster, SkRossi, WRONSKI,
which 60% of the TS roster are we talking abt?
G2ShahZaM [#9]carpe, seoldam, SouhcNi, 60% of the Team Secret roster, SkRossi, WRONSKI,
Why WRONSKI, guy can't even play in the event lmao
G2ShahZaM [#9]carpe, seoldam, SouhcNi, 60% of the Team Secret roster, SkRossi, WRONSKI,
TS rossi and wronski didn't even played a single fucking match and still your ass got burn by seeing their name on the list ffs get a life
LouBag [#14]Only 4 teams have played. It’s stupid to call people frauds that you haven’t seen play in 4 months.
Korean Jet is the only fraud I have seen so far.
for clarification, I will be updating this list as the tournament and the season goes on. Just starting it now to get it in early
Ullyr [#21]He kinda does look washed a bit
He’s looked washed for awhile now. Maybe it’s a role identity crisis, but he’s been looking rough. Only reason he’s on this team is because he’s a former world champ.
Sprouts [#29]Mixwell, DubsteP, Patiphan (only if he ends up washed like Seoldam), Secret
Most of secret actually. M1xwell kinda smart player and actually been doing well with new role. Patiphan might be washed idk..
Sprouts [#29]Mixwell, DubsteP, Patiphan (only if he ends up washed like Seoldam), Secret
Disagree with mixwell, he was horrible on G2 when we played duelist/chamber but with keloqz back on that role, mixwell plays defensive which suits him
Derpp [#10]Every single player from FUT + some players from BBL(we'll see tmrw)
- SHIN, newzera(🐶shit apparently)
- axeddy
SHIN goes off the fraud list. I apologize sleeping on this crackhead.. however newzera stays since he sucks ass
kid_named_finger [#13]Hot take: starxo
I personally don't agree with that. He is playing heavy support for KOI ie: Sage, Breach. Meaning he has to care more about setting up Wolfen (who doesn't deserve to be in franchising), than getting the frags himself. You saw in the Haven game that he was saving Wolfen's awp almost every round. Meaning he didn't get many opportunities to fight. As a bonus note, Wolfen only got like 2 picks with the awp.
titanwithpp [#35]Disagree with mixwell, he was horrible on G2 when we played duelist/chamber but with keloqz back on that role, mixwell plays defensive which suits him
keloqz is literally a bigger fraud than mixwell
Derpp [#10]Every single player from FUT + some players from BBL(we'll see tmrw)
- SHIN, newzera(🐶shit apparently)
- axeddy
bro axxedy is a 6 player wtf
mckun [#36]ok then
Seoldam
Tehbotol
Destrian
murizzz
Bro said tehbotol when he drop 38 kills in his first international map
starxo is a weaker player than he used to be but he is probably still deserving
wolfen was the best vrl player last year, he deserved a chance
I like the rest of ur list, an unpopular I'll say is Tuyz but because he joined Loud he will probably succeed, but realistically based on his past performance he's not deserving IMO.
IDK if EG is cheating but C0m is good not great, same with than
jzz is also not very good but his new role could be complementary
keloqz, maybe mixwell
dep also kinda works for this
G2ShahZaM [#9]carpe, seoldam, SouhcNi, 60% of the Team Secret roster, SkRossi, WRONSKI,
This guy is definition of deluding your mind to VLRgg comments and giving dogshow takes 😂
BLACKitten [#68]shin was mvp today tf u on?
yes that's what i mean this is a fraud list they shouldn't be on the list lol
Wronghand [#66]Get Shin off that shit, Bro threw the two other French shitters on his back AND RAN.
nah problem was this list was made prematurely yesterday. but yeah both shin and newzera shouldn't be on list.
Ullyr [#73]nah problem was this list was made prematurely yesterday. but yeah both shin and newzera shouldn't be on list.
Nah, Newzera is fine to chill on the list. He can come off once he goes positive on a single map or breaks 11 kills.
queueK [#59]all of eg
dapr
sick
We haven't even seen EG yet, SicK is a 6th man, and dapr isn't even in franchising. Wtf is blud talking about?💀
Malki420 [#33]Soulcas
soulcas will actually own this tourney and finally prove to everyone how good he is
always believed in soulcas
vollizie [#81]We haven't even seen EG yet, SicK is a 6th man, and dapr isn't even in franchising. Wtf is blud talking about?💀
Out of his ass as usual
Skyss [#91]+boo
+frz
+davai
nah Boo is fine he’s being forced to play this role he isn’t accustomed.
frz also played good in that match
Okoretro [#58]keloqz is literally a bigger fraud than mixwell
no. Keloqz is inconsistent, Mixwell has the aim of a Ascendant player
Mjtchell [#100]I would just like to put appreciation for c0m as he still grinds to keep his spot
Last year he was on Akrew and probably under the radar for the most part, but he looks like he meshes well with EG and still plays up to par
he's best player on complex gaming era
G2ShahZaM [#9]carpe, seoldam, SouhcNi, 60% of the Team Secret roster, SkRossi, WRONSKI,
the moment you said skrossi oops
nerdsabkabaap [#24]Woh chinese/japanese soldam
REMEMBER NERD SBKA BAAP BOLTE ( I am your father ) 🚀🚀
bhai velocity fan nikalja bhai washed ec1s aur doma ko sambhal
blazennn [#97]no. Keloqz is inconsistent, Mixwell has the aim of a Ascendant player
only reason he made it is because he experienced
Agent0 [#106]Bro Seoldam played one map and Carpe hasn't played a VCT game yet. It's way too early to call anyone frauds
Carpe OW transition he too late for this year
spoken [#107]mixwell. i dont understand how tf hes still employed.
me neither but as long as i know none of his ex teammates ever blamed it for anything so imo hes just good as 2nd caller or gives the team something because somehow his teams always make it to a LAN.
p1ay2ac3 [#127]WHOLE OF ARGH ARGH QUE EXCEPT FOR TEHBOTOL 🗿
Nope this is just overhating. RRQ is good and I'm not even trolling. Just wait until they play
Hunter_______ [#53]I personally don't agree with that. He is playing heavy support for KOI ie: Sage, Breach. Meaning he has to care more about setting up Wolfen (who doesn't deserve to be in franchising), than getting the frags himself. You saw in the Haven game that he was saving Wolfen's awp almost every round. Meaning he didn't get many opportunities to fight. As a bonus note, Wolfen only got like 2 picks with the awp.
he doesn't look comfortable on the role. honestly put him on the sentinel role, and put sheydos back on the flex since we know sheydos is a great flex for M3C
Pikmin [#133]NGL this is kinda mean to the players. You should decide after they play in their leagues after lock in because it's only a Bo3.
this is vlr sorry
Chow1E [#137]Vanity ig, or boostio and bcj
vanity/ bcj have proven themselves on lan before. boostio didnt do too bad. atleast they won a match
Sita_MOE [#139]+potter 100%
+mce 100%
+zellsis 80%Source:
“It seems like specifically mCe and Zellsis are not in “best in the world” mindset And I don’t think the rest of the pieces at their last known state are innately talented enough to make up for that“ - Braindamaged VLR user (babysasuke)
remove zellsis and youre right. mce and potter are frauds for the comps they cooked up. chet would never do that shit
Luck_ [#83]soulcas will actually own this tourney and finally prove to everyone how good he is
always believed in soulcas
Hahahaha.......
Luck_ [#83]soulcas will actually own this tourney and finally prove to everyone how good he is
always believed in soulcas
Super Mega common L Luck
AntiWest [#151]+soulcas wouldn't be suprised if this is gonna be his last year in Liquid
+several ZETA member
zeta played well overall. ascent was a shitshow cuz for some reason their ascent has been ALWAYS bad lol.
alice_ [#153]zeta played well overall. ascent was a shitshow cuz for some reason their ascent has been ALWAYS bad lol.
nah he has a point with several ZETA members, some JP hardcore fans felt had enough with players like dep who were good at online settings but inconsistent at the international LAN. Moreover that this is supposed to be his year to improve into a world class player level now that Chamber is off from the meta.
G2ShahZaM [#9]carpe, seoldam, SouhcNi, 60% of the Team Secret roster, SkRossi, WRONSKI,
aged like milk
G2ShahZaM [#9]carpe, seoldam, SouhcNi, 60% of the Team Secret roster, SkRossi, WRONSKI,
this aged well
Stratos [#154]nah he has a point with several ZETA members, some JP hardcore fans felt had enough with players like dep who were good at online settings but inconsistent at the international LAN. Moreover that this is supposed to be his year to improve into a world class player level now that Chamber is off from the meta.
fair
Stratos [#154]nah he has a point with several ZETA members, some JP hardcore fans felt had enough with players like dep who were good at online settings but inconsistent at the international LAN. Moreover that this is supposed to be his year to improve into a world class player level now that Chamber is off from the meta.
I agree, sugarz3ro is insane tho
mckun [#36]ok then
Seoldam
Tehbotol
Destrian
murizzz
I'm really sorry, I was wrong.
Please let me make a correction.
-tehbotol
+RRQ ex. Emman
😂😂😂😂😂
WinterZ [#176]any1 yall want added to the list?
+hoody
+cloud
+0.5 Scream (one step aside as IGL)
+mixwell
+potter 100%
+mce 100%
+zellsis 80%
Sita_MOE [#182]+hoody
+cloud
+0.5 Scream (one step aside as IGL)
+mixwell+potter 100%
+mce 100%
+zellsis 80%
Cloud is the best player in giants roster tf? Hoody is second best too, braindead take.
Itsover [#190]Cloud is the best player in giants roster tf? Hoody is second best too, braindead take.
1-13 7-13 ??
Fit1nho back is hurt
G2ShahZaM [#9]carpe, seoldam, SouhcNi, 60% of the Team Secret roster, SkRossi, WRONSKI,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH TEAM LULQUID LOST TO BOOMERS 2-0 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA LOL KEKW LULW MONKAS COPIUM
fapcity [#192]why are zekken and dephh even on here. They already proved themselves internationally
not proved in Franchising, this is a Franchising Fraudlist
Sita_MOE [#198]this vlr list cannot trust
go watch replay Carpe
he is improvement
To be fair, it does make sense. Last time he played he had legit played probably a month of valorant. Him improving quickly as he gets to grips with playing a tac shooter at the highest level is pretty likely tbh
blazennn [#98]all of Secret
all of FUT
all of DFM
end of list
Team Secret beat liquid why does everyone hate on them
Sita_MOE [#194]1-13 7-13 ??
Fit1nho back is hurt
Fitinho was low tab in both maps they lost, tf are u on?
Siege_ [#220]No Seoldam = shit list 💀💀💀
Did you read the list?
Check again and look carefully this time
WinterZ [#226]should I add ban?
+ban - bazzi for sure, bazzi proved his worth even tho he is supposed to be a 6th man, and ban played worse than T1's 6th man (iNTRO)
WinterZ [#226]should I add ban?
add ban and removing bazzi for sure, even though we lost, he popped off.
Devanshhhhhh [#228]my question is ur judging players in basis of what like what are the requirements for being in franchise as a player
Judging them based off stats if they are a normal player and based off how organized they look in a match if they are an IGL
hope this helps :)
horse69 [#238]carpe was good, and starxo needs to get off there after today's 1v3 clutch
add RRQ and crow
removed starxo and added crow
who from RRQ do u want me to add?
manannn [#244]Bro forgot C9 players and NRG's sixth man 'ethos'
dont count six man cause they usually just a spot filler
Ullyr [#32]Most of secret actually. M1xwell kinda smart player and actually been doing well with new role. Patiphan might be washed idk..
LUL
Ullyr [#32]Most of secret actually. M1xwell kinda smart player and actually been doing well with new role. Patiphan might be washed idk..
pinagsasabi ng mga to
eh nanalo TS sa Talon
Warlordwibz [#250]Monyet
nah he looked good against VIT imo
give him more time to adjust to new role and he'll prove himself to be a demon
WinterZ [#257]removed Newzera seeing as hes not in franchise anymore, added mindfreak
who else should I add/remove?
add Khalil
he a fraud
PandaPrince [#258]given skrossi's performance in his singular map of ICEBOX... i think u should remove him from the list <3
nah he hasn't convinced me enough yet
he stays on for now
WinterZ [#260]nah he hasn't convinced me enough yet
he stays on for now
adding him after just 1 match was an L move anyway but its ur thread so np
FDWC- [#259]add Khalil
he a fraud
yk if u said this just after LOCK//IN i would've agreed but since then hes really turned his performance around
PandaPrince [#261]adding him after just 1 match was an L move anyway but its ur thread so np
u do realise while he performed very well domestically in India, he never reached that level during apac qualifier prior to franchising, GE almost always immediately eliminated.
WinterZ [#262]yk if u said this just after LOCK//IN i would've agreed but since then hes really turned his performance around
watch him getting exposed in the playoff
trust
proud_bandwagoners [#271]mixwell?
hired him to play sentinel but cuz of AvovA's shitty agent pool and Boo's inability to play flex he's forced onto a role he is unfamiliar with
not his fault at all tbh
Derpp [#10]Every single player from FUT + some players from BBL(we'll see tmrw)
- SHIN, newzera(🐶shit apparently)
- axeddy
axeddy it's pretty decent and he's a 6 man, better than klaus and nagz imo
WinterZ [#267]Removed SkRossi, added WRONSKI and LightningFast
Skrossi only had 1 good map and that's it
that don't mean shit
same with LF
he only had 1 bad map
why put him on the list? he kinda decent imo
WinterZ [#277]Anyone who should be added/removed?
-crow
As you can see from the last 2-3 games, his performances have consistently helped the team since he was released from his IGL role.
nyto [#281]-crow
As you can see from the last 2-3 games, his performances have consistently helped the team since he was released from his IGL role.
nah
only time he looked good was against DFM, rest was either mid or dogshit
he stays on for now
Luck_ [#279]bro snuck in wronski like we wouldnt know 😹😹😹
wronski on initiator <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
GE management needs to get the Aussie last hope on duelists then he can go off
Laski [#285]+xnfri
+Reita
+AnthemThese 3 players are clearly not performing league worthy.
xnfri only looks a little better when he is in charge of Skye, but other than that he is really bad.
Anthem has won Ace a few times, but is basically the worst IGL in Asia!
+xnfri
yes.
rest are alright tho
WinterZ [#284]wronski on initiator <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
GE management needs to get the Aussie last hope on duelists then he can go off
frrrrr
Luck_ [#83]soulcas will actually own this tourney and finally prove to everyone how good he is
always believed in soulcas
He was once best initiator in emea or maybe the world also those smooth skye flashes and insane mechanical KAYO
WinterZ [#304]not even in franchising anymore lulw
top of the list with ✓ for successful confirmed fraud
Warlordwibz [#305]top of the list with ✓ for successful confirmed fraud
tbh zeek wasnt even that bad for TH
keloqz and AvovA are weighing this team down
Laski [#315]I am not too sure what you are basing your listing of players on.
Please add all players with lower season ratings than Tenn already on the list.
Otherwise this list will be inconsistent.+Anthem
+Crws
+Carpe
+garnetS
+AYRIN
+takeJ
+cgrs
+Reita
+Sushiboys
+eKo
cgrs is not a fraud, they sign him just for the clout to get Thai fans and he brings what they want
KaedeTsuneta [#316]cgrs is not a fraud, they sign him just for the clout to get Thai fans and he brings what they want
Indeed. Add everything but him.
Laski [#315]I am not too sure what you are basing your listing of players on.
Please add all players with lower season ratings than Tenn already on the list.
Otherwise this list will be inconsistent.+Anthem
+Crws
+Carpe
+garnetS
+AYRIN
+takeJ
+cgrs
+Reita
+Sushiboys
+eKo
Remove Lord Carpe and your list will be somewhat decent.
It is a pure sign of disrespect for his prowess.
take jawgemo, mindfreak, SushiboyS, and Wronski off
sushiboys and wronski have both been pretty fine when they have played, just their respective teams decided on different 5 man starting rosters that didn't use them and its just unfair to have two players who have barely played on this list.
and jawgemo and mindfreak have shown that they are very good players. jawgemo has maybe the most crazy entertaining aggro playstyle to watch in all of franchising imo and he some how gets away with it and does so well with that wild style. and mindfreak looks especially good now that PRX have found their form again
-TENNN
-crow
They may have low ratings and K/D ratios, but they have sufficient reasons to be removed from this list.
Both of them are among the top 10 in terms of KAST in the league, and crow has a very high APR. It's undeniable that they are inferior compared to top players like stax, BuZz, d4v41, and xeta, but ZETA made it to the playoffs because they fulfill the necessary role as a support player.
Cannot [#326]take jawgemo, mindfreak, SushiboyS, and Wronski off
sushiboys and wronski have both been pretty fine when they have played, just their respective teams decided on different 5 man starting rosters that didn't use them and its just unfair to have two players who have barely played on this list.
and jawgemo and mindfreak have shown that they are very good players. jawgemo has maybe the most crazy entertaining aggro playstyle to watch in all of franchising imo and he some how gets away with it and does so well with that wild style. and mindfreak looks especially good now that PRX have found their form again
jawgemo is a raze onetrick, thats why hes on the list
mindfreak has been mid since copenhagen, thats why hes on the list
and as for sushiboys and wronski there is a reason why they only played a few games and got subbed off
WinterZ [#329]jawgemo is a raze onetrick, thats why hes on the list
mindfreak has been mid since copenhagen, thats why hes on the list
and as for sushiboys and wronski there is a reason why they only played a few games and got subbed off
nt remove mindfreak off
WinterZ [#329]jawgemo is a raze onetrick, thats why hes on the list
mindfreak has been mid since copenhagen, thats why hes on the list
and as for sushiboys and wronski there is a reason why they only played a few games and got subbed off
mindfreak isn't mid
you can just admit you don't watch the matches
FrostTree187 [#330]remove EJAY and 2GE they alr prove they are good and can compete :D
maybe if they prove themselves in off-season
meadows [#332]mindfreak isn't mid
you can just admit you don't watch the matches
bottom 17 rating at LOCK//IN (below wolfen btw)
all that while not even IGLing. This is not Copenhagen anymore. Time to accept that mindfreak isn't what he used to be.
ArterieX [#301]He was once best initiator in emea or maybe the world also those smooth skye flashes and insane mechanical KAYO
the best.......🤡
whoagain [#341]lmao add cned lil bro can't kill can't hit op shots kekw
got his team qualified for playoff unlike tenz getting benched then coming back struggling to beat a 0 - 7 team lmao biggest onliner and most overrated player ever
awsh [#328]-TENNN
-crowThey may have low ratings and K/D ratios, but they have sufficient reasons to be removed from this list.
Both of them are among the top 10 in terms of KAST in the league, and crow has a very high APR. It's undeniable that they are inferior compared to top players like stax, BuZz, d4v41, and xeta, but ZETA made it to the playoffs because they fulfill the necessary role as a support player.
🫡👍
WinterZ [#329]jawgemo is a raze onetrick, thats why hes on the list
mindfreak has been mid since copenhagen, thats why hes on the list
and as for sushiboys and wronski there is a reason why they only played a few games and got subbed off
jawgemo legit isn't a raze one trick, his impact and plays on controller have been immensely beneficial for EG's recent performances.
Mindfreak's has looked amazing since PRX brought Something in and he has found timings and space that have helped PRX so many times
and for sushiboys and wronksi they are subs, that is not fraud worthy. if every player who isn't one of the starting 5 is not starting for a reason = a fraud then add every sub player across the league.
elegant [#342]got his team qualified for playoff unlike tenz getting benched then coming back struggling to beat a 0 - 7 team lmao biggest onliner and most overrated player ever
so why do you hate him? because he's popular?
other pro's do not seem to worry tho..it's not like you're that person
whoagain [#346]so why do you hate him? because he's popular?
other pro's do not seem to worry tho..it's not like you're that person
did i say i hate him? what i said is facts dude is the most overrated player and biggest onliner in the scene the thread is about players who dont deserve to be there.. there are players that deserve to be there more than overrated tenz. other pros dont seem to worry cuz if they say anything about him the casual tenz fanbois are gonna throw so much hate on them which would ruin their brand and rep
elegant [#347]did i say i hate him? what i said is facts dude is the most overrated player and biggest onliner in the scene the thread is about players who dont deserve to be there.. there are players that deserve to be there more than overrated tenz. other pros dont seem to worry cuz if they say anything about him the casual tenz fanbois are gonna throw so much hate on them which would ruin their brand and rep
exactly
why do you care so much?
whoagain [#348]exactly
why do you care so much?
can say the same about other player in this thread list why do people care so much about others too? or is it forbidden to call out tenz huh?
Cannot [#345]jawgemo legit isn't a raze one trick, his impact and plays on controller have been immensely beneficial for EG's recent performances.
Mindfreak's has looked amazing since PRX brought Something in and he has found timings and space that have helped PRX so many times
and for sushiboys and wronksi they are subs, that is not fraud worthy. if every player who isn't one of the starting 5 is not starting for a reason = a fraud then add every sub player across the league.
below 0.9 rated on all agents but one is not the type of agent pool a franchise level player should have and thats that
maybe mindfreak gets taken off if he further redeems himself in playoffs
what differentiates Wronski and sushiboys from other subs is that they have actually played matches with their roster whereas a player like ethos or qpert have not played matches for their teams and thats why theyre not here
hope this helps
elegant [#349]can say the same about other player in this thread list why do people care so much about others too? or is it forbidden to call out tenz huh?
yes don't dare call out tyson
i know him like that in middle school
we best bro's
whoagain [#351]yes don't dare call out tyson
i know him like that in middle school
we best bro's
idc most overrated player biggest onliner fraud franchise player bench him lmao
elegant [#354]idc most overrated player biggest onliner fraud franchise player bench him lmao
well idc anymore you do you lil bro
playing w you was fun
go sleep now
it's 1:00 for you guys no?
whoagain [#355]well idc anymore you do you lil bro
playing w you was fun
go sleep nowit's 1:00 for you guys no?
you cared enough to reply about the biggest onliner lmaoooo
WinterZ [#353]removed dephh seeing as he got booted from SEN, another fraud has been weeded out
you should put a small list at the end of frauds that have been cut like newzera and dephh
ArterieX [#358]You just a random hater
hating is what i'd be doing when someone was actually good
well 100t and tl's delusional fans have really low standards
can't blame them
Yuiaq [#364]Still think mindfreak is a fraud even though they won?
lets be honest bro, put any smoker player on PRX they still gonna win
they play 20 sec and the round alrdy ended
SleepyBear [#366]lets be honest bro, put any smoker player on PRX they still gonna win
they play 20 sec and the round alrdy ended
dw bro i also thought mindfreak is a bot but hes proofed many times that he isn't a fraud
TheAqif [#365]hot take: everyone in kc except scream and shin
Nah bro scream has been shit in this franchise league. Bro was bottom fragging every match
hungeryman [#371]Nah bro scream has been shit in this franchise league. Bro was bottom fragging every match
i want you to take a moment to go on the latest kc matches and see whos on the top 4/5 times
SleepyBear [#366]lets be honest bro, put any smoker player on PRX they still gonna win
they play 20 sec and the round alrdy ended
what a shit take
Subreezy [#375]WHY WAS MINDFREAK ON THIS LIST
like cmon bruh you know his performance has been poor since champion last year, now he is back to his prime i guess..
WinterZ20 [#379]who needs to go on this list and who needs to be removed?
Remove Ejay, 2ge and mindfreak pls
Clayy [#385]Remove Ejay, 2ge and mindfreak pls
EJAY and 2ge can chill here for now mindfreak is going off tho
The_Cleg [#388]How are mindfreak, soulcas and deatrian here... Tf?
mindfreak is gone, Destrian is mid asl even bordering on bad, soulcas struggles with consistency issues
WinterZ20 [#390]mindfreak is gone, Destrian is mid asl even bordering on bad, soulcas struggles with consistency issues
Ok but there are so many players worse than them in T1 that aren't even mentioned here.
Also, wym mindfreak gone? Some army thing?
LifeIsALie [#386]Remove Jawgemo and Mindfreak , add Derrek Stellar and bang
Derrek was the #1 fraud...
The_Cleg [#391]Ok but there are so many players worse than them in T1 that aren't even mentioned here.
Also, wym mindfreak gone? Some army thing?
Ok but there are so many players worse than them in T1 that aren't even mentioned here.
Such as? Tell me who they are so I can add em to the list
Also, wym mindfreak gone?
gone as in gone from the list
WinterZ20 [#394]Ok but there are so many players worse than them in T1 that aren't even mentioned here.
Such as? Tell me who they are so I can add em to the list
Also, wym mindfreak gone?
gone as in gone from the list
I'm bored so I don't wanna do a full list but like most players from MiBR, th, koldamenta etc. Soulcas clears them all tbf...
WinterZ [#418]Removed Wolfen
add ange1 this guy has so much talent on his team and can't do a thing with them
The_Cleg [#423]Why is starxo in here but no koldamenta, mixwell, boo...
Mixwell and koldamenta are alright
u have a point with Boo tho
WinterZ20 [#427]Mixwell and koldamenta are alright
u have a point with Boo tho
I hope you are joking? soulcas clears them by miles
Ic1 [#431]who tf made this list up
this is so disrespectful and several of these players are carrying rather than playing bad
Ange1 needs to be there tho🗿
ry666 [#34]it's a bit too early to call shin and newzera a fraud no? we haven't even see them play
this aged well
Ic1 [#431]who tf made this list up
this is so disrespectful and several of these players are carrying rather than playing bad
oh really
who on this list is actively carrying their team? This list is just community suggestions and if you think that anyone shouldn’t be on the list just tell me
WinterZ20 [#437]Removed TENNN; Added SUYGETSU, cNed
dont you think you went far with suygetsu n like you know he's also the dude used to be called fpx suygetsu? navi suygetsu isnt that bad either
WinterZ20 [#441]Also, belated do we remove soulcas from the list after his Masters performance?
nah keep him there
UnrivaleD [#440]dont you think you went far with suygetsu n like you know he's also the dude used to be called fpx suygetsu? navi suygetsu isnt that bad either
act ykw I do, shouldn’t’ve added him on an off game and imma remove him rn
The_Cleg [#428]I hope you are joking? soulcas clears them by miles
koldamenta is still a world class IGL imo, took G2 and Guild to international appearances and is abt to do the same for KOI
as for Mixwell please refer to #273
WinterZ20 [#438]oh really
who on this list is actively carrying their team? This list is just community suggestions and if you think that anyone shouldn’t be on the list just tell me
< community suggestions
more like retards suggestions. You've no way to tell how impactful a player actually is. They can go 0/20 on a duelist and still be good for the team, but I don't think you realize that, do you?
< shouldn’t be on the list
List shouldn't exist at all, I'll list players that imo play rather very good than bad
soulcas
Destrian
NagZ
Sushiboys
eKo
Stellar
GodDead
Ange1
Boo
cNed
Ic1 [#451]< community suggestions
more like retards suggestions. You've no way to tell how impactful a player actually is. They can go 0/20 on a duelist and still be good for the team, but I don't think you realize that, do you?
< shouldn’t be on the list
List shouldn't exist at all, I'll list players that imo play rather very good than bad
soulcas
Destrian
NagZ
Sushiboys
eKo
Stellar
GodDead
Ange1
Boo
cNed
You've no way to tell how impactful a player actually is.
#237
I believe we are in a point of the game’s history where it simply is not enough for Initator, Controller, and Sentinel players to just provide good util. They also need to show at least somewhat decent numbers consistently otherwise it will impact their teams performance negatively and I dont think its fair at all to call people retards for pointing out that these guys do not meet that criteria.
As for the IGLs that are in the list they are there due to poor team results or shit strats and compositions
hope this helps
WinterZ20 [#454]You've no way to tell how impactful a player actually is.
#237
I believe we are in a point of the game’s history where it simply is not enough for Initator, Controller, and Sentinel players to just provide good util. They also need to show at least somewhat decent numbers consistently otherwise it will impact their teams performance negatively and I dont think its fair at all to call people retards for pointing out that these guys do not meet that criteria.
As for the IGLs that are in the list they are there due to poor team results or shit strats and compositions
hope this helps
That metric is made-up bullshit. If a players is still on the team, that means that all other players and coaches are satisfyed with their performance. Also show me a pro player (better several) who'd say that asc aim, good util, good coms and good mood isn't enough.
Poor team results have almost nothing to do with quality of players. Strats or compositions can be bad against some tactics and good against others.
Hope this helps
Ic1 [#455]That metric is made-up bullshit. If a players is still on the team, that means that all other players and coaches are satisfyed with their performance. Also show me a pro player (better several) who'd say that asc aim, good util, good coms and good mood isn't enough.
Poor team results have almost nothing to do with quality of players. Strats or compositions can be bad against some tactics and good against others.
Hope this helps
That metric is made-up bullshit.
Agree to disagree
Also I highly doubt that any franchise team would pick up or keep someone with Ascendant level aim or Ascendant level numbers, the gap between ascendant and pro players is astronomical.
Ntm that some of these players are already in the process of being phased out of their rosters so your point abt coaches being satisfied is invalid for some. A lot of these guys will be removed during the upcoming transfer window.
WinterZ20 [#446]koldamenta is still a world class IGL imo, took G2 and Guild to international appearances and is abt to do the same for KOI
as for Mixwell please refer to #273
Bro G2 was hard carried by sayf, leo and Trexx, 3 WORLD CLASS players, 2 of them are literally top 10 ITW rn, they should've won much more if it wasn't for kolda +Russ/yacine don't make me laugh.
Also KOI has 2 WORLD CLASS players in sheydos and trexxz and wolfen and starxo can be decent players as well, and they ended as the third worst team in the league with arguably the least depth....
Ask yourself some questions honestly
The_Cleg [#459]Bro G2 was hard carried by sayf, leo and Trexx, 3 WORLD CLASS players, 2 of them are literally top 10 ITW rn, they should've won much more if it wasn't for kolda +Russ/yacine don't make me laugh.
Also KOI has 2 WORLD CLASS players in sheydos and trexxz and wolfen and starxo can be decent players as well, and they ended as the third worst team in the league with arguably the least depth....
Ask yourself some questions honestly
look at G2 before and after they added koldamenta, it was truly a world of difference in the way they played the game, everything just looked so much cleaner.
As for Guild, the old Swedish core also had Sayf, Leo and prime Yacine, how come the best result those guys had was 2nd at LCQ but then when koldamenta steps in they go to LAN?
With KOI, you cant really blame kolda for that 7th place seeing as Wolfen, sheydos and starxo all werent doing much in terms of performance but now that theyve found form you see the true power of that team under koldamenta.
Even keloqz has spoken highly of koldamenta calling him the best IGL in VCT and stating that he makes players so comfortable in the game.
WinterZ20 [#461]Do we add fl1pzjder?
why would you add cned here? he is being forced to play omen, neon, raze and sage
SigmaMale [#462]why would you add cned here? he is being forced to play omen, neon, raze and sage
lack of flexibility that ultimately led to NaVi's downfall in hindsight
WinterZ20 [#464]lack of flexibility that ultimately led to NaVi's downfall in hindsight
not his fault, navi hired a one trick jett
WinterZ20 [#460]look at G2 before and after they added koldamenta, it was truly a world of difference in the way they played the game, everything just looked so much cleaner.
As for Guild, the old Swedish core also had Sayf, Leo and prime Yacine, how come the best result those guys had was 2nd at LCQ but then when koldamenta steps in they go to LAN?
With KOI, you cant really blame kolda for that 7th place seeing as Wolfen, sheydos and starxo all werent doing much in terms of performance but now that theyve found form you see the true power of that team under koldamenta.
Even keloqz has spoken highly of koldamenta calling him the best IGL in VCT and stating that he makes players so comfortable in the game.
He's good at IGLing but nowhere near top 5 level and his mechanics are way worse than FNS
The_Cleg [#470]He's good at IGLing but nowhere near top 5 level and his mechanics are way worse than FNS
He's good at IGLing
yep and thats why he's not on here. Its not the IGLs job to be a mechanical demon, just to call the shots.
WinterZ20 [#471]He's good at IGLing
yep and thats why he's not on here. Its not the IGLs job to be a mechanical demon, just to call the shots.
Ok but why do you lie about guild being so good after koldamenta joined compared to as they were before? First of all Trexx joined with him (again, world class player).
Second of all, guild without koldamenta arrived 2nd in LCQ behind LIQUID (soon to be 3rd in the world at champions), when EUROPE arguably had the 4 best teams in the world (they all won the groups they were in in champions 2021), finishing better than a very strong G2.
Also it's not like he's not a mechanical demon, he's an huge liability going 0.72 rated in the league with arguably the least depth.
When koldamenta arrived they went 3rd in Europe, but in an Europe basically without M3C, Acend and with a weaker G2... They didn't improve so much, in fact in LCQ they weren't top 6 team in Europe...
The_Cleg [#472]Ok but why do you lie about guild being so good after koldamenta joined compared to as they were before? First of all Trexx joined with him (again, world class player).
Second of all, guild without koldamenta arrived 2nd in LCQ behind LIQUID (soon to be 3rd in the world at champions), when EUROPE arguably had the 4 best teams in the world (they all won the groups they were in in champions 2021), finishing better than a very strong G2.
Also it's not like he's not a mechanical demon, he's an huge liability going 0.72 rated in the league with arguably the least depth.
When koldamenta arrived they went 3rd in Europe, but in an Europe basically without M3C, Acend and with a weaker G2... They didn't improve so much, in fact in LCQ they weren't top 6 team in Europe...
Trexx joined with him (again, world class player).
So was Yacine back in the day, Swedish Guild still couldnt achieve anything
with a weaker G2
G2 only got weaker because koldamenta wasnt there to IGL the team lmao
in fact in LCQ they weren't top 6 team in Europe...
It was an unfortunate situation where Guild had to get Yacine as a sub last minute cuz Riot didnt allow them to get Twisten for the LCQ. They had all of 2 days to practice with him, cant blame kolda at all there
WinterZ20 [#476]Trexx joined with him (again, world class player).
So was Yacine back in the day, Swedish Guild still couldnt achieve anything
with a weaker G2
G2 only got weaker because koldamenta wasnt there to IGL the team lmao
in fact in LCQ they weren't top 6 team in Europe...
It was an unfortunate situation where Guild had to get Yacine as a sub last minute cuz Riot didnt allow them to get Twisten for the LCQ. They had all of 2 days to practice with him, cant blame kolda at all there
Look man, if koi will qualify maybe kolda would still deserve a spot in T1. But still that doesn't write off his horrific performance in the league (Wolfen's either)
WinterZ20 [#464]lack of flexibility that ultimately led to NaVi's downfall in hindsight
If that's the case then add TenZ dog shit overrated
The_Cleg [#480]No way you put cNed after going 28-15 and did not put bottamenta 💀💀💀 you are an actual fraud
I had cNed there from before he popped off and before intamenta took over
its changed now
WinterZ [#483]I had cNed there from before he popped off and before intamenta took over
its changed now
Oh ok fair, but adding cNed after a bad performance seems to be too much reactionary. You still haven't put Avova, m1xwell, boo etc. Do you really think cNed is worse than them? Because he has never been. Not 1 minute of his life
The_Cleg [#486]Oh ok fair, but adding cNed after a bad performance seems to be too much reactionary. You still haven't put Avova, m1xwell, boo etc. Do you really think cNed is worse than them? Because he has never been. Not 1 minute of his life
Boo is on here now and theres no shot I havent added midvova on here at least once i 100% need to get the communities opinion on that
keener1600 [#487]bro took wolfen off the list and thought we wouldnt notice
nah he played well this LCQ tbf he can stay off list for now
keener1600 [#487]bro took wolfen off the list and thought we wouldnt notice
Wolfen was great in LCQ won't even lie
WinterZ20 [#488]Boo is on here now and theres no shot I havent added midvova on here at least once i 100% need to get the communities opinion on that
Let's get it then
Madapunda69 [#493]This clown put suygetsu on this list 🤡
yeah cuz some people wanted him there
he was taken off within 20 minutes of being there fam
The_Cleg [#477]Look man, if koi will qualify maybe kolda would still deserve a spot in T1. But still that doesn't write off his horrific performance in the league (Wolfen's either)
Wolfen has done well in the lcq. I also think koldamenta is a good igl and that he is only struggling because he is playing smokes. I remember a time when he was not a liability at all when he played sova and other initiators.
WinterZ20 [#507]now that champs has finished, who are the final frauds of the 2023 season?
something (chokes when it matters the most)
WinterZ [#509]Removed NagZ and murizzz, the frauds are starting to get cut its finally happening
take tuyz off and add shitpii 👍
wykes [#513]tuyz aint a fraud tho, he is the worst player on LOUD but still very solid for a controller
no wolfen but tuyz here
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