Honestly zekken > jawg

It's his job ig

d4v41 is clear of crashies...

Aspas aspas aspas aspas
Keznit
cNed
f0rsaken MaKo d4v41 Karon

Fym why do you care we can't even discuss strats now?
Omg grow a spine

I am top 35% in pac and top 10% in EMEA...

I doubt s0m wants to play competitive no?

It's not that big of an achievement to take a map against a trash team

s0n

Mibr and giantx deserve a spot on that list as well🔥🔥🔥

They call it the y0y effect💪💪💪

Definitely not lol they have the world champions?

But if you are asking based off form (since sen are struggling), it depends on where you put the bar. If the bar is teams that can win a lan, I actually think you are right. I don't think c9, 100T or EG could win a lan

sSnakey is actually a good player though
Literally carried his team to tier 1 + he's been putting up great stats on that team☠️

No way... I annoy the goat babysasuke...

I shed some tears as soon as I got to know this😢

Should I change the team I support my goat?

Stop lying, Ethan and demon1 were the two most impressive players on that roster (apart from potter who's the goat)

Btw look at the down voted on your comments. Guess ppl agreed with me. Guess who won? Maybe you are a narcissist more than me.

Look yourself in the mirror. You were talking with me the whole time.

Actual clown

Also, as I said before, I had nothing to add and wanted to finish the Convo, but you and the other guys came and said, oh you want to finish it? Guess you lost the argument then. So I just had to continue it.

Because I will not make two clowns think that they won an argument against me. Not when I'm right at least.

Talking about my ego but you did exactly the same thing as me. Acting like I was talking alone. Buddy you were with me.

You r still saying that soulcas is top 4. Which is extremely dumb. Team success does not determine how good a player is. That's just a dumb way to think about it. And false.

Chronicle was not in a top 4 team the past year. Was he not a top 4 flex in EMEA? ofc he was. And FNC was a super team. Same way, soulcass was in a top 4 team, but wasn't even remotely close to being a top 4 flex.

Team success is a dumb way to determine how good a player is. I've got nothing more to add.

Also somehow when it's useful to your argument, you use your criteria, how good a team was in a certain time period. But when it's useful to you, you use my criteria. How good a player was. That's just dumb. Dumb and contradictory.

I'm not backpedaling anything. The point of TL not being a super team still stands. It just wasn't relevant to the previous discussion.

But again, you don't understand basic english

Redgar is the IGL it's 4 players + IGL.
I literally said 4 players + a good IGL how can you be so dumb and not understand that when I'm talking about the 4 players it is the NON-IGL PLAYERS ???

Actual 0 reading comprehension, but what do I expect from a us flag

Also the fact that TL would or wouldn't be s super team does not change my initial argument at all.

I just replied to it because I thought it was braindead.

Sentinels were a super team but I didn't even mention them. It is not relevant to the discourse.

Even if TL were a super team nobody called EMEA a 1 team region because of them. I'm not even talking about that you just put it in the table for 0 reasons.

Sure bro. Sure. Soulcass was top 4 in his role. You don't have a brain.

What argument did I lose? If you think TL is a super team you don't have a brain and it is useless for me to lose my time explaining it to you. Soulcass was not top 8 in his role. Jamppi might have been top 3/4 tho.

Team success does not determine how good a player is. Everyone knew Leo was top 1/2 init in EMEA but the results of his team didn't show it.

There's way more nuance than what you guys seem to make out of it. If you don't understand it, I won't explain it to you.

Whatever man. Whatever.

4 players that get into the top 10/15 of a region + a good IGL.

2 great players + 2 good players is not a super team. It's literally a normal team.

A super team must have a contender of the best player (in the region at least) in each spot of their team.

By your standards even last year's KC could have been considered a super team. LMAO.

Listen to yourself man. You r down talking a team that was playing with a stand in. KC were better than other EMEA teams just because they had a read on the meta, now they are barely looking to make playoffs...

All the comments are saying W. They improved from the past roster. That's what they were saying.

And ofc you r gonna be hyped for a new roster when fucking nAts comes to a team, but that does not make it a super team WTF

https://www.vlr.gg/post/1636179/team-liquid-overhaul-roster-with-m3c-duo-and-sayf

At least read the comments...

Not one person said it was a super team. One person said "most stacked team in EMEA" which is very normal over hyping of a team of which the roster has been released...

They were calling it a top 3 team in EMEA. how's that a super team man... Listen to yourself

It was but everybody knew that there could've been underlying issues and overall most people didn't like the ardiis change ...

TL was not a super team. By any stretch of the imagination. They were supposed to be a good team. They had nAts and sayf. Two great players do not make a super team. Stop yapping.

Just because it doesn't fit your agenda doesn't mean that they don't mean anything lmao.

Calling TL a super team

I can't 🤣🤣🤣
Blud just called soulcass + jamppi + redgar a super team🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Nothing I said in this post is even remotely linked to that.

That's just false lmao. Our 4th was better than Americas 4th. TL made it into a top 6, FUT into top 8, NAVI into top 4.
Americas' got 1 LAN winner, LOUD top 2, KRU got grouped and NRG top 4. Very similar statistics.

I'm not saying that EMEA was better than Americas but was definitely not a 1 team region.

NA when EMEA creates a super team:
1 team region !!!!

NA when creating a super team: 💩💩💩

It's clearly Sacy lmfao

KRU and 100T are looking great tho!

At least they have aspas tho

I 100% agree with you. We never know the full story and whatever happens in that industry is often very sketchy and weird and the person who does it doesn't do it 100% willingly most of the time.

I don't think it is (almost) ever fine to judge people, especially when we don't know the full story, and even then, I am no judge.

But still. People should be allowed to have their opinions. If their opinions are harsher than mine, they don't need to be suppressed, as long as they aren't heavy insulting.

TenZ can takeover, jonhQT has an infinite clutch reel, zellsis and Sacy aren't really takeover guys, but they had their moments

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I don't understand why you get so pressed for people having an opinion.

I don't think there is anything wrong with having of and whatnot. I don't really care about it. But why can't you accept that some people do?

We live in a free world. They are free to do ofs and whatever. We are free to have our own opinion about it.

Stayed with LEV. People think that some players are good only because they win trophies while it's only partially the truth... This guy is clear of C0M and tex

Edit: if* in the title

Elaborate dawg

Yeah I actually agree with you though I expected them to be much better

How's T1 crazy? You could say the same about EG... but nobody would. They changed 3 players it's basically a totally different team (also considering that they arguably kept their two worst players lol)

It's two different groups though??

I have no idea man but until any of the player does not voice out the fact that they are discontent for their coach, we really can have no idea what's going on.

It's true that maybe they don't voice it out in fear of repercussions since it's their coach ?
But we don't know the full story that's for sure

And something has played well for 1 year now? Plus it's not like he's not playing good rn, maybe just under par because of the crazy expectations we have from him, but he's still playing great, so I really don't get what you mean