What is the hill you will die on?

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eric_5008

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VCT 2021 and 2022 were the best years to watch and play. val has become a game based off of abilities instead of gunplay with the addition of abilities. Its just so hard to watch and play without some random bs happening. Also VCT has become retake simulator now which is boring asf

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I agree!

The game has become less skilled imo

Also chamber meta was the best meta

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eric_5008

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I agree on the chamber meta. I loved how strategic the teams had to be, which is a huge reason why optic and loud were so good that year.

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vct 2022 and 2023 are more entertaining than 2021

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bro tried to sneak 2021 in there cause sen won

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eric_5008

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I personally liked 2021 bc it was cs with extra util and it felt like gunplay was the number 1 focus. Obviously a high mechanical ceiling is still needed now but abilities IMO are too strong to the point where if you play site, most of the time you're guaranteed dead. When compared to 2021, it felt more brawly for site control and you didn't have to play retake all the time

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catNmouse

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the game was still developing back then, could you imagine teams play split in 2024 with no initiator? also gambit came in and completely reinvented the meta so most of the time it wasn’t even as chaotic. to each their own though 🤝

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eric_5008

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I liked it bc it was carried by gunplay, now there's too much util to keep track of when watching/playing. Also by no means am I down playing the years after bc the players/teams are way better than what they were in 2021, its the valorant that I sorta prefer (but I still watch vct now)

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FaZe would have won a trophy in 2023 if they made franchising

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2024 was the weirdest and worst valorant year ever in terms of level of play and meta (and 2023 was the best)

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catNmouse

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level of play was good enough in 2024, meta wasn’t

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foythvlr

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really disagree. while watching i felt like it was a competition of who was the less bad team, specially in americas. emea did seem a little better overall tho

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eric_5008

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The nerf to skye messed with that alot IMO, and then with the addition of run it down maps like icebox and breeze. It made the quality of the games go down alot

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catNmouse

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yea but teams who were heavily reliant on skye should’ve adapted to other agents

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foythvlr

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i dont think the problem is necessarily with skye nerf but with gekko buffs, at least in the first half of the year. he's too much of an exec agent and he was too strong on almost every map, turning most of them into attack sided. so we just watched the same round over and over again, because every exec was very strong, every post plant was very strong (specially sunset) and people were just playing retake instead of holding a bomb. there was no space for creative plays and readings because the best way to play was to just stick to the manual. pearl on 2023 was kinda like that too with the harbor viper, but there was much more space for counters

on the other hand we had a lot of fun plays with him because his util is very good for solo rounds (like sacy 1v4 vs loud), but most games were just kinda boring to see.

second half was better but it was just the neon and breach fuckfestival and it went to too much chaos too quick. but it was still too exec-oriented for my tastes

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Single elim (bo5 playoffs) at Champs would be better

also this is how I'd rank the years
2023=>2022>2024>2021 (Champs 22>23 imo though)

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catNmouse

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I don’t wanna imagine PRX winning a trophy so i’m good on that

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Nothing tops champs 2022 Istanbul. The time zones, the rivalries, the significance of the present teams. Yeah I know back then the meta was kinda fucked but at the time it was so exciting to watch.

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stuns suck and its one of the worst wide spread game mechanics

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cloudberry

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I actually live on a hill. I hope it's the one I end up dying on. Would be a nice full circle kinda thing, returning home to end my journey

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localkoolkid

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Shifty Shafts is goat status

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saynotoherpes

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lock-in was the best tourney in val and probably will never be surpassed, it was just so hype as it was our first time in franchising and watching so many teams go against eachother was awesome

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KyLZi

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There is a vlr utopia beyond the bait and hate posts where users of all walks of life can congregate and enjoy watching good valorant. This place exists and it's a mindset

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Aayan

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that vision isn't even that far off
if they had more moderation like r/valcomp it might happen

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cloudberry

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This is true. I swear I'll find it one day

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guuz

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aspas refusing to join ZETA right now is like Paul Atreides putting off the jihad

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saebr

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wha? we don't want aspas

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8kunai

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2021 relied too much on gunplay imo. teams went with 2-3 duellist comps and basically whichever team had the best shooters would win (large reason why sen dominated their masters event with tenz and friends)

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Nachtel

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No conventional team should ever sign a duelist that can only play Jett

Idc if they have the best aim in the world by a mile

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Yuh_aye

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https://www.vlr.gg/248277/paper-rex-vs-evil-geniuses-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-gf

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Harapan845

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are you aware of what the word only means?

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Yuh_aye

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the literally signed him while the only duelist he could play was jett

and it was obviously his main role/agent, as he played 251/459 rounds at champs on Jett

and he had the best aim in the world

So the exact decision you said a 'conventional' team should never make won them champs

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femboyenjoyer

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marved over yay in iceland 2022 though it was close people dont seem to agree w me :(

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SolarX

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neon isn't op

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destroylonely

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Less was the lockin MVP over Leo let me explain why

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1188/champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo?exclude=16332.16333.16334.16335.16336.16337&min_rounds=0&agent=all

More rounds played, higher acs, higher adr , 22FK > 6FK

Leo is good but his stats are inflated bc he never takes first duels

Also Less had the best performance in the grand finals

https://www.vlr.gg/167393/loud-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-gf

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you are right but sadly mvp goes to the winning team, which makes sense because a team outside of the grand finals could have players with monstrous stats and still not get mvp because they didn’t make it to top 2. it would be weird in that case

yay would be mvp of champs 22
chronicle mvp champs 21