bang util and sacy tactical and mental impact are being severely underrated

visiting his gf probably

RRQ lost to GE and a declined DRX. that happens

like they are sweeping every sunset they play with a clove solo smoke comp
they're either the greatest team ever made or T2 is just not only a universe below T1 but just the same shit as T3-4

the thing about envy is that i dont think they were planning to go that far but tier 2 is in a such bad state that they are still comitting to the bit and its still working so i dont even know anymore
like they are shooters but they are so comically and unseriously out of any possible meta tactics they are either completely reinventing the game itself or getting skulled on the first serious tournament they play (who might as well be just T1)

winner from americas will replace 2G in the league

maybe but C9 is def not dropping the bag for a better igl lol
as for Net i think they will give him some time for the vibes and because they do not give a fuck but i personally wouldn't keep him either

i think people talk really well about mephisto

xeppa is literally C9's asuna, he has been with them for way too long with 0 evolution or relevant results outside three or four yearly life games. if they're not dropping him they deserve to be mediocre forever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSCGoefBO7Q

wait for 3 years and Sato will be everything you wished for

yeah i mean he will only stay if they do well enough to justify for another year

thats what i wrote, tho. it may still be viable (hell BBL was using triple init) but its not the main meta pick anymore

ngl i forgot phoenix and reyna were in the game while making the thread lol
i think only saadhak really uses phoenix

Idk who would IGL if not Mitch and dont know if C9 will make an effort to swap Net
Tex had a bad year but can still get back in form

Maybe he isn't but will C9 keep Xeppaa for another year? lol
Tex had a bad year but i still believe he can get back in form + 100t maybe will go after a fix sentinel

Okeanos plays both Raze and Neon being a former duelist and has experience playing initiator too if needed

Nah i think 100t roles could work with Okeanos flexing

I don't think they should nerf omen too its just that riot tried buffing other controllers and it didn't work so maybe they will try nerfing him

Just curious, what d'you think of these rosters:

Oxy - C0m - Mitch - V1c - Net

Cryo - Eeiu - Okeanos - Zander - Tex

prove it.

harbor has a buff incoming for several months now we just have to wait i guess

yeah i was thinking because sova already got recent nerfs and he has been nerfed periodically by some time now, they might try to mess with her to get other initiators up but i dont think they will since its the first time sova has at least some competition since 23 skye meta

Hello. Let's discuss the current agent pool of the game and which agents seem strong and weak. I was thinking about it and i feel like this is one of the most diverse metas we ever had. Here's the data for every region:
https://www.vlr.gg/event/agents/2501/vct-2025-americas-stage-2
https://www.vlr.gg/event/agents/2498/vct-2025-emea-stage-2
https://www.vlr.gg/event/agents/2500/vct-2025-pacific-stage-2
https://www.vlr.gg/event/agents/2499/vct-2025-china-stage-2

Some things that stand out to me:

• Jett play% is going downhill, becoming the 4th duelist choice in the regions (except EMEA that still uses Neon less). This is funny considering how big her % was a few months ago, how people thought this was a bit problematic, and how Waylay seemingly was created as a way to take her out but she went out anyways with Waylay not having much impact
• Yoru seems to be the top choice duelist, but still very balanced with Raze and Neon (possibly because of double-duelist picks)
• Omen is still the go-to controller, skyrocketing on picks with 80% average pickrate. With Icebox out and Abyss in this might even go higher. It makes sense as he is probably the most complete controller, but i expect some nerfs on the next few months
• Viper is also still very much alive besides the nerfs she's been getting since 22. I feel like with Icebox being out the pick% will go down so we'il see about further nerfs, but she seems to be on a healthy spot
• Astra getting her 5th star back didn't seem to help her as much as Riot expected. With Abyss back we might see her more tho
• For the first time in a few years i see Sova and Fade being pretty balanced on Scan picks, with Sova being a bit ahead. I believe it may become even more balanced with Icebox out (although Abyss is still a pretty much Sova map, Fade is more viable than Icebox therefore we might see her sometimes)
• Cypher is getting interesting rates while Killjoy seem to be down for a while, becoming pretty much an Icebox-only agent. Vyse and Chamber seem to be more of a Americas thing with less appearances in other regions while Deadlock appears more on every region except Americas itself. Sage will probably be gone with Icebox and Split out of rotation
• Interesting thing: Traditional flex-init picks like Kayo and Breach seems to be going down and down. Double initiator seems to be oficially over as the main meta pick
• Missing in Action agents: Skye, Clove, Tejo, Gekko, Harbor. All of these seem to be either orthodox niche picks or not picked at all most of the time
• Other agents that seem to be meta/semi-meta picks on specific maps are Iso and Brimstone.

Predictions for nerfs: Omen and maybe Yoru and Fade
Predictions for buffs: Skye, Harbor (confirmed, i hope), Astra, Killjoy

nah jawgemo is legit insane with this agent
https://x.com/prxfns/status/1962265360679252086

yes forgot about him (but sato is closer to oke and c0m i think)

they are 100% not dropping sato this is probably about Oke and C0m leaving

i dont think theres a chance hes staying in MIBR unless they do REALLY good on champs

i don't think he should be dropped but i do think there needs to be a conversation about his mental

they didnt use in ascent too but tbf yeah they used it more than i remember lol although they didnt use at all on kickoff and were good anyways

i choose to believe he never knew and was just mind controlled by saadhak

desde 2023 o grupo B ta abrindo o campeonato entao se pa que dia 12, mas se nao for é dia 13

they could brainwash tuyz into thinking hes in 2023 again

they literally changed comps for almost all of their maps more than once through the split????????

yes they did? mf are you even watching the games lol

the rest is still bad (except for maybe nrg)

they were good but needed to work on the map pool to become truly great and an international contender. somehow they got it worse lol

they didn't use tejo very much. it's not very related. in fact their best maps were without tejo to the point i really thought they would benefit that he wasn't around

more life a fnc 2023 farewell. derke left, leo and chronicle might leave too, and boaster might retire. only alfajer left from the old squad

Went through the stats and they have pretty similar win and map ratio. But i feel like MIBR at their peak were best and had an overall better consistency. Vitality was only realy good on kickoff and some of bangkok

dw fnc and mibr are passing

BLG won CN

so did XLG in toronto and they bombed out 0-2 almost as badly as MIBR itself. They were with a Sub but it was still much worse than expected. China is always a bit of a wildcard i wouldn't rely on placements alone

As for RRQ is a bit of a question mark to me because they seem to be a bit of chokers on international stage considering their Toronto run too. Ofc MIBR is the worst of them all on recent form but i do believe if they get back on track they could win both

FNC will have a lot of time too and they have a lot of experience in a relatively "rookie" group so i think it will be easy for them

I agree with you

FNC and MIBR will have some good time to fix their issues
RRQ and BLG are a question mark:

• RRQ got out 0-2 on Toronto BUT they also faced 2/3 of the top 3 and it went decent i guess? It seems they choked it hard tho so they might have a problem in LAN but its not like MIBR is full of experienced players too (FNC will absolutely use that tho). But also i feel like APAC declined a bit late season compared to before so who knows
• China is always a hit or miss. XLG was seed one and went out on Toronto almost as badly as MIBR. They generally have one surprise good team on international and the rest is mid and im betting it on either EDG or DRG

To me this group feel the most leveled, probably more down than up

you know ball about DRX. they always make it through group stage somehow

i don't see them winning fnatic. they could absolutely win vs BLG and RRQ

there should be a swiss stage before groupstage with T2 teams and 4th-6th of each region

Group B is the most unpredictable one

brotha idk how to tell you this but Sen is getting grouped

not that BLG is bad but its absolutely much better to face them than PRX and TL lol

lmfao i guessed one right + g1 and t1 + TL and DRX