What are some outrageous valorant takes you have? These are takes you could conceivably believe in or justify and not just bait.
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This is a take that I have for both Valorant and Overwatch:
Some agents/heroes should just be bad/niche forever for the health of the game -- not every character has to be meta, and in fact having certain characters be meta is actively unhealthy for the game
A good Valorant example is recent Neon. Like yeah she was bad prior to that, but those that knew how she worked could still cause some real damage with her (even as like a surprise trick pick). But gigabuffed Neon recently just felt really stupid and unfun and I'm glad she got nerfed recently. The more agents that are added to Valorant, the more this issue will pop up. Similarly, Chamber is in a weaker spot right now but I much prefer that over the cancer that was his prime.
A good Overwatch example is Roadhog. When Roadhog is meta literally no one outside of the Roadhog player is having ANY fun. Not to mention that whenever there's a Roadhog meta there's usually an Orisa meta close behind it and that's equally as unfun
I think to rephrase that in a better way would be, most agents need to be easy to learn and difficult to master but some NEED to be difficult to learn and master so that only the ones that can truly "master" an agent can abuse it.
Red / Eggster did it with Yoru since before the rework.
Perry does it with Brim
JoeDaBozo with breach and the list goes on
Jett is a horrible duelist (relatively speaking) and if not for the several thousands of hours pro duelists have on her, everyone would opt for other duelists instead, such as Yoru
Elaboration: all Jett has going for her is her dash. That's it. It might be the best dash in the game but she doesn't offer literally anything else for the team. And in a lot of cases in pro play, the dash doesn't even find any value, so in those rounds all you really end up with is a Reyna without soul orbs.
her cloudbursts provide short term cover for repositioning and support. And her updraft allows her to take more angles and for more creative entries. The reason why almost every pro plays jett is because her utility helps her adapt to different situations. This is probably the worst take I've seen on this thread so far
I don't think she's that great but what she has is little counterplay. Other duelist have high ceilings and low floors while Jett has a medium floor and medium ceiling. If you want consistency within a comp Jett is a good option, and in double initiator comps you don't often need the extra util anyways because you have at least one initiator to set her up
My personal take is that Asuna is overhated, people just love to hop on a hate train when they see one. People see that he gets outplayed by certain teams but then forget that some of these teams have some, if not the best players in their roles(e.g zekken, Aspas, etc.). I think he gets too much hate and is just in a slump right now.
Boaster's good IGL'ing dont excuse his inability to hold a mouse and I think he should've been replaced a long time ago by a IGL that can actually shoot back
I'm a fnatic hater tho so i might be a bit biased about this
if any fnatic fans want to give some good points on why i'm wrong feel free to, i'll be glad to see other people's opinions
Boaster actually improved his aim but his calling ability slightly declined after that. A good IGL's main goal is to be able to hold the team together and allow each individual player's skill to shine through. The reason why IGL's are almost never the top fraggers on their team is because they're focused on the the whole game, strategy, and the team. While I agree that an IGL cant be inept at shooting, I don't think Boaster is close to being just a deadweight that can just call.
Sage isnt a Sentinel (You can counter argument on that)
she doesnt belong more to the of a Sentinel by Riot themself in the game, (It's impossible to give geniune counter argument to that part) she fit a little bit more to description of controller than the description or even an initiator
Sentinel
- emphasis on supporting the rest of the team through providing intel, (She dont, only wall but not gonna be use like that)
- anchoring down sites (prob the worst anchor in the game since anchoring mean usually be alone and half of her kit require to not be alone)
- preventing the enemy from flanking. (You have nothing in your kit to do that, and use the wall to do that is pure int)
Controller
- assist their teammates by cutting enemy vision, (In atk the wall is used to do that but also to block bullet)
- taking control of an area, (Slow orb, Wall)
- and forcing enemies into choke points. (Wall is the best spell ever to force that)
Initiator
- initiating attacks on site, flushing enemies out of hiding spots and corners in order to assist the team when charging into battle. (All her spell are good for that, Wall take space Orb lock trap people, heal and rez are more easier to make it work in atk because you tend to group more with team than in defense)
Sentinels dont necessarily need to provide info. The point of a sentinel is to be able to stall and hold space, while having immense stopping power. Although sage doesnt have any traps like all the others, making her much harder to play as a solo weak site sentinel, her slows and wall are pieces of stopping power. Also, deadlock doesnt hold flanks, and vyse wall on attack is much better for post plant. Holding flank, while useful, isnt required on most maps, rather just a feature. Where sage falls as a sentinel is that she doesnt have any long range abilities, traps, and the fact that her heal isnt that great at high levels, making so that she plays very one dimensionally, as just a wall mule.
"Sentinels dont necessarily need to provide info."
I just take the definition of Riot in game :x They are other point, but Sage is also bad at that.
"The point of a sentinel is to be able to stall and hold space"
And so does controller, people just use the stall argument because thats allow them to call controller "sentinels", people get lost with the "0 sentinel meta" so they just took the decision, to call controller "Sentinel", they did it with Viper, and I also saw it with Astra, because people want absolutely want consider the 4 role are in each team even if 0-sentinel composition exist a lot. No a controller isnt a pseudo sentinel (Or thats mean every controller are a sentinel because they all have "stall power")
"deadlock doesnt hold flanks" she does, but in a inefficient way. And Deadlock has the other sentinel have "trap potential" (Kill people easy in defense thanks to their spell) it another thing every sentinels does and Sage cant. But if i'm just sticking to the definition of Riot I shouldnt consider this point.
Now lets just consider the "in game sentinel role", we expect a sentinel to :
- Create some deadly trap in defense (All of them does beside Sage)
- Cover flank (All of them does beside Sage, and potentially DL depending how you consider her)
- Lurk/Anchor = being alone (Sage is litterally the worst agent to do that)
- Wish what agent Sage is in concurrencies ? On the only map she was played (Icebox), she was never in competition with other sentinel
Demon1 can be the best Smoker player in the world but he would not be even top 5 full time duelist in Americas, he can't play anything outside jett he can't entry because his sens is too low, why do you think even his teammates called him a pig on raze?
He can hold angles like no one but if you make him move or entry he will not be half the player he is while holding an angle.
He was horrible yes but so was karon and meteor 💔 and even if they did make it out of groups they would struggle with the map pool changes and how much hours of practice they’ve had (+ spending alot of time on abyss)
Neon meta isn’t favorable for GenG. I still wish they didn’t throw vs TH it would’ve been nice to see them in playoffs atleast
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