What are some outrageous valorant takes you have? These are takes you could conceivably believe in or justify and not just bait.
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BoF7ooM [#2]NRG is a good team
Crashies deserves a spot in tier 1
I agree the crashies take, there aren’t many good initiators in Americas anyways
Neither of these are particularly outrageous tho, especially the first one
This is a take that I have for both Valorant and Overwatch:
Some agents/heroes should just be bad/niche forever for the health of the game -- not every character has to be meta, and in fact having certain characters be meta is actively unhealthy for the game
A good Valorant example is recent Neon. Like yeah she was bad prior to that, but those that knew how she worked could still cause some real damage with her (even as like a surprise trick pick). But gigabuffed Neon recently just felt really stupid and unfun and I'm glad she got nerfed recently. The more agents that are added to Valorant, the more this issue will pop up. Similarly, Chamber is in a weaker spot right now but I much prefer that over the cancer that was his prime.
A good Overwatch example is Roadhog. When Roadhog is meta literally no one outside of the Roadhog player is having ANY fun. Not to mention that whenever there's a Roadhog meta there's usually an Orisa meta close behind it and that's equally as unfun
LycheeBlade [#4]This is a take that I have for both Valorant and Overwatch:
Some agents/heroes should just be bad/niche forever for the health of the game -- not every character has to be meta, and in fact having certain characters be meta is actively unhealthy for the game
A good Valorant example is recent Neon. Like yeah she was bad prior to that, but those that knew how she worked could still cause some real damage with her (even as like a surprise trick pick). But gigabuffed Neon recently just felt really stupid and unfun and I'm glad she got nerfed recently. The more agents that are added to Valorant, the more this issue will pop up. Similarly, Chamber is in a weaker spot right now but I much prefer that over the cancer that was his prime.
A good Overwatch example is Roadhog. When Roadhog is meta literally no one outside of the Roadhog player is having ANY fun. Not to mention that whenever there's a Roadhog meta there's usually an Orisa meta close behind it and that's equally as unfun
Agreed, especially because neons mechanics going against tac fps fundamentals
There’s also just some agents like chamber, Reyna, etc who I just couldn’t gaf and hope they stay mid or shit forever
c4rrotstix [#6]c9 will never win anything with their current management and staff, they have been making choker teams for so long and i doubt with rosters evolving in americas and people investing that they will be able to achieve anything with oxy being like matt stafford on the lions
fuck c9
Obviously
idkmanwth [#8]valorant esports wouldnt be where it is without cs esports, most of the valo teams in the 2020-2022 era had washed cs pros
not an outrageous take because this is true for any new esport.
if Marvel Rivals ever goes that way and tries to become an esport I bet you half of the rosters will be ex-Overwatch pros
Jett is a horrible duelist (relatively speaking) and if not for the several thousands of hours pro duelists have on her, everyone would opt for other duelists instead, such as Yoru
Elaboration: all Jett has going for her is her dash. That's it. It might be the best dash in the game but she doesn't offer literally anything else for the team. And in a lot of cases in pro play, the dash doesn't even find any value, so in those rounds all you really end up with is a Reyna without soul orbs.
cloudberry [#15]Jett is a horrible duelist (relatively speaking) and if not for the several thousands of hours pro duelists have on her, everyone would opt for other duelists instead, such as Yoru
Elaboration: all Jett has going for her is her dash. That's it. It might be the best dash in the game but she doesn't offer literally anything else for the team. And in a lot of cases in pro play, the dash doesn't even find any value, so in those rounds all you really end up with is a Reyna without soul orbs.
idk about this one boss
might be the worst take in this thread
Galactc [#11]
- Lots of teams were successful in what they did
- Hating on most players is boring and unoriginal
- At least one of the 2 teams in every region that people think will make Bangkok will miss out
Cough* nrg
cloudberry [#15]Jett is a horrible duelist (relatively speaking) and if not for the several thousands of hours pro duelists have on her, everyone would opt for other duelists instead, such as Yoru
Elaboration: all Jett has going for her is her dash. That's it. It might be the best dash in the game but she doesn't offer literally anything else for the team. And in a lot of cases in pro play, the dash doesn't even find any value, so in those rounds all you really end up with is a Reyna without soul orbs.
her cloudbursts provide short term cover for repositioning and support. And her updraft allows her to take more angles and for more creative entries. The reason why almost every pro plays jett is because her utility helps her adapt to different situations. This is probably the worst take I've seen on this thread so far
My personal take is that Asuna is overhated, people just love to hop on a hate train when they see one. People see that he gets outplayed by certain teams but then forget that some of these teams have some, if not the best players in their roles(e.g zekken, Aspas, etc.). I think he gets too much hate and is just in a slump right now.
cloudberry [#15]Jett is a horrible duelist (relatively speaking) and if not for the several thousands of hours pro duelists have on her, everyone would opt for other duelists instead, such as Yoru
Elaboration: all Jett has going for her is her dash. That's it. It might be the best dash in the game but she doesn't offer literally anything else for the team. And in a lot of cases in pro play, the dash doesn't even find any value, so in those rounds all you really end up with is a Reyna without soul orbs.
an actual outrageous take! i don't agree with it one bit, but you understood the assignment
cloudberry [#15]Jett is a horrible duelist (relatively speaking) and if not for the several thousands of hours pro duelists have on her, everyone would opt for other duelists instead, such as Yoru
Elaboration: all Jett has going for her is her dash. That's it. It might be the best dash in the game but she doesn't offer literally anything else for the team. And in a lot of cases in pro play, the dash doesn't even find any value, so in those rounds all you really end up with is a Reyna without soul orbs.
I don't think she's that great but what she has is little counterplay. Other duelist have high ceilings and low floors while Jett has a medium floor and medium ceiling. If you want consistency within a comp Jett is a good option, and in double initiator comps you don't often need the extra util anyways because you have at least one initiator to set her up
LycheeBlade [#22]an actual outrageous take! i don't agree with it one bit, but you understood the assignment
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foythvlr [#21]the notion that you need to have an international squad to win international titles is misleading and wrong
With all due respect who the fuck said that…. Loud, gambit, edg, geng, have all won titles without international rosters
Uncleben [#25]With all due respect who the fuck said that…. Loud, gambit, edg, geng, have all won titles without international rosters
a lot of people said that for some reason. i think even leviatan ceo built their roster earlier this year with that methodology
foythvlr [#26]a lot of people said that for some reason. i think even leviatan ceo built their roster earlier this year with that methodology
Well international and inter regional rosters allow for better rosters (simply a larger talent pool and more superstars to pick from) but they aren’t necessary to win by any means
Uncleben [#27]Well international and inter regional rosters allow for better rosters (simply a larger talent pool and more superstars to pick from) but they aren’t necessary to win by any means
yeah, i agree. you may have a better roster going international, but its not a definitive factor and is probably as hard as a one-country/region roster
Uncleben [#10]My personal hot take is Jawgemo is overrated….hes obviously still a great player and an upgrade to icy but I disagree with people putting him on the same level of derke, Aspas, Zekken etc
are u retarded or just trying to be different?
jawg is a top 2 duelist itw
LycheeBlade [#9]not an outrageous take because this is true for any new esport.
if Marvel Rivals ever goes that way and tries to become an esport I bet you half of the rosters will be ex-Overwatch pros
I would actually guarantee it. Especially in the 1st year or so, like valorant with cs pros until Rivals ages enough to get Rival mains
Boaster's good IGL'ing dont excuse his inability to hold a mouse and I think he should've been replaced a long time ago by a IGL that can actually shoot back
I'm a fnatic hater tho so i might be a bit biased about this
if any fnatic fans want to give some good points on why i'm wrong feel free to, i'll be glad to see other people's opinions
Sage isnt a Sentinel (You can counter argument on that)
she doesnt belong more to the of a Sentinel by Riot themself in the game, (It's impossible to give geniune counter argument to that part) she fit a little bit more to description of controller than the description or even an initiator
Sentinel
- emphasis on supporting the rest of the team through providing intel, (She dont, only wall but not gonna be use like that)
- anchoring down sites (prob the worst anchor in the game since anchoring mean usually be alone and half of her kit require to not be alone)
- preventing the enemy from flanking. (You have nothing in your kit to do that, and use the wall to do that is pure int)
Controller
- assist their teammates by cutting enemy vision, (In atk the wall is used to do that but also to block bullet)
- taking control of an area, (Slow orb, Wall)
- and forcing enemies into choke points. (Wall is the best spell ever to force that)
Initiator
- initiating attacks on site, flushing enemies out of hiding spots and corners in order to assist the team when charging into battle. (All her spell are good for that, Wall take space Orb lock trap people, heal and rez are more easier to make it work in atk because you tend to group more with team than in defense)
cloudberry [#15]Jett is a horrible duelist (relatively speaking) and if not for the several thousands of hours pro duelists have on her, everyone would opt for other duelists instead, such as Yoru
Elaboration: all Jett has going for her is her dash. That's it. It might be the best dash in the game but she doesn't offer literally anything else for the team. And in a lot of cases in pro play, the dash doesn't even find any value, so in those rounds all you really end up with is a Reyna without soul orbs.
he asked for an outrageous take not a retarded one
Anguibok [#32]Sage isnt a Sentinel (You can counter argument on that)
she doesnt belong more to the of a Sentinel by Riot themself in the game, (It's impossible to give geniune counter argument to that part) she fit a little bit more to description of controller than the description or even an initiatorSentinel
- emphasis on supporting the rest of the team through providing intel, (She dont, only wall but not gonna be use like that)
- anchoring down sites (prob the worst anchor in the game since anchoring mean usually be alone and half of her kit require to not be alone)
- preventing the enemy from flanking. (You have nothing in your kit to do that, and use the wall to do that is pure int)
Controller
- assist their teammates by cutting enemy vision, (In atk the wall is used to do that but also to block bullet)
- taking control of an area, (Slow orb, Wall)
- and forcing enemies into choke points. (Wall is the best spell ever to force that)
Initiator
- initiating attacks on site, flushing enemies out of hiding spots and corners in order to assist the team when charging into battle. (All her spell are good for that, Wall take space Orb lock trap people, heal and rez are more easier to make it work in atk because you tend to group more with team than in defense)
the mind games you went through to get to this conclusion are crazy
Demon1 can be the best Smoker player in the world but he would not be even top 5 full time duelist in Americas, he can't play anything outside jett he can't entry because his sens is too low, why do you think even his teammates called him a pig on raze?
He can hold angles like no one but if you make him move or entry he will not be half the player he is while holding an angle.
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