japan looks so far behind since forever.. kinda feel bad.. what can they do??
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And Japan has always had the second best environment in APAC in terms of the size of the orgs, the big tournaments, the tier 2 salaries, Riot's interest, everything. Since the game launched.
It took just three years for the LPL to go from a trash league that Koreans laughed at to sweep LCK. Before that, In my eyes, Japan is no different from the level of China at that time winning Worlds was easier than winning the LCK.
Bro you are even comparing china who has a very long history with mobas where is japan whos player base started playing with mice and keyboard maybe in like early 2019 for apex and even that, the majority of them played in console versions. its only when the pandemic started where pc games were gaining popular.
i feel like japan have the esports privilege but not the talent its because of the culture of their organization.
theres not a single game that japan is good at esports except for fighting games, even that is individual esports. their orgs tend to be pragmatic when it comes to winning and not as ambitious as korean and chinese orgs where they have the guts to import players just for the sake of winning culture
Forget the winning culture, they don't even have the "i am the best player" culture/mindset. They all play like chickens on Tokyo server competitive.
9 out of 10 games no one autolocks , which looks good at first but is also a proof that they don't have confidence in their pick.
I always play on Singapore server and on a 1v5 situation, 90% of the time the last player will try to win the round.
In Tokyo server they instantly run and hide to the other site on a 3v5 postplant.
Yeah if you auto lock and didn't perform they will talk trash to you either verbally or with some good old pinging. And they want to avoid that to be done that to themselves that is why they dont auto lock. Theres not much shown agressive toxicity in tokyo server like in sea but too much passive ones they dont say it in your face.
It's easy if you have patience. I have Ascendant 3 and Silver account, both ranks play the same way.
Just don't pick duelist or you will lose your shit. On attack, yourJapanese teammates will just sit on A main or B main until 30 secs remaining. Even if you get 2 entry kills, they won't enter the site lmao.
Gather the 4 or 5 best Japanese talents on one team and import an outstanding coach, then maybe there will be a great Japanese team. Language would be an issue though. Nothing can help the region as a whole. Esports isn't really apart of Japanese culture like it is in China or Korea. Current DFM is the best we're going to see anytime soon. Maybe the Riddle core is better than Fennel but I doubt they'd perform highly in t1.
The level of strategy that other teams in Pacific have has overtaken ZETA. ZETA on their miracle-run were relatively creative whilst maintaining discipline. Unfortunately, when your specialism of strategy is quickly overtaken like it is now, it's a very bleak future for Japanese Valorant. We can see how Korean teams are improving constantly and developing new strategies that work very often against many teams. Teams like PRX who look at a glance like they just run it down are very creative with their aggression and it makes ZETA very uncomfortable.
If I had to pinpoint their needed improvements, it's their willingness to risk-take and have those agent-synergies that Korean and Chinese teams have found. Vyselock has been so pivotal in changing how some maps are played. If Japan can find that sort of unique development and have deep strategies with it, they will be a lot more dangerous.
Beyond this, they definitely need to level up their mechanics. I cannot say exactly how the Radiant Japanese players weigh up against other regions, but on a bigger picture, Thai, Korean and Indonesian players seem to have a higher mechanical ceiling now. Dep looked good on Neon today against PRX, but it's not feasible to have one player who can take over a map. Syouta and Xdll showed some glimpses of greatness too. But as it stands, Japanese Valorant is a few steps behind the pack. The positive I can say is that this ZETA looks much better than last year's mess. Hiroronn being on the wrong role for the majority of the year and Yuran being the biggest flop definitely did not help their case, but the FENNEL reinforcements look so much better. They just need to innovate something and run with it.
ZETA Academy producing all the sentinels, but it's good to see him finding that improvement. He definitely needed some more Tier 2 exposure since he just had extremely poor decision making. Hope he continues to improve since I won't forget all the confidence he had in himself during the "Know Your Enemy" content VCT Pacific produced. I like confidence, but it definitely needs to be backed up by mechanical or tactical skill.
Learn F'ing english... The only reason goated player from VCJ like smth,jemkin,kr1stal,etc not playing on their team is their inability and unwillingness to speak and learn english.
Korean and Chinese despite having the same struggle as other east asian are much more accepting to learning english so they can easily adapt to other team/region (not like they need to import any player from other region).
not rebutting or anything but if a foreign player joins a Japanese (or any team with 4 local players in local team) team, it is natural for that player to learn the language that the "team" is using. Unless they bring in someone and decide to rebuild around that 1 player.
xcc had to learn Korean to fit T1 in the latter stage of his time with T1. All the KR players in JP tier 2 AND in DFM know Japanese.
not rebutting or anything but if a foreign player joins a Japanese (or any team with 4 local players in local team) team, it is natural for that player to learn the language that the "team" is using
Disagree, BOOM switch from Indonesian to English comms just to accomodate Dos9.. When jemkin first joined RRQ, despite RRQ have 4 Indonesian player they still comms in english instead of Indonesian. Again, its just Japanese unwillingness to learn any other languages other than japanese and shot themself on the foot.
Xcc learning korean is just his personality because when he was playing in Tyloo with BnTeT in CS, Tyloo was comm'ing in English but he still learn Mandarin just for them to be much more cohesive.
And when i said "Foreign" it does not mean like from other region.. I think a team like ZETA could scouted more cracked player from Korea, Indonesia, PH, MY/SG, Thai, etc and be stronger instead of losing without any map from kick-off.
It's not as if Jp has no cracked aimers, Riddle core hasn't been picked by Zeta or DFM, cracked jp players have been popping up. And there's no guarantee it would work anyways, English speaking roster in VCJ barely achieved anything other than Scarz ( 1 split and 2nd place ascension) and mind you they were using 3 imports. It's a management problem, not talent problem.
They barely achieved anything in Tier 2 what makes you think they will do better in tier 1, there's a reason why even DFM opted for Japanese speaking roster.
Forcing yourself to learn English while ignoring your own talent is what Scarz did, and they never achieved anything great other than winning 1 split and placing 2nd in ascension. If anything after that roster disbanded, Scarz just proved time and time again that English speaking roster doesn't guarantee you wins.
But, if there's one reason I'd like Zeta to learn English is so they can undertsand Carlao or Johnta, do that and they don't need XQQ to relay their message.
Scarz just proved time and time again that English speaking roster doesn't guarantee you wins.
Ofcourse English comm does not guaratee you wins but learning english is a good investment to any team for the long run because you could easily maneuver or adapt to any player that want or should join your team unlike JP teams where they're stuck only with Japanese and Korean who can speak Japanese.
Smth former team Sengoku Gaming never really in the top of VCJ at all but Paper rex still picked him up because they know that smth is a insanely good player so the argument of intl roster not succesful in japan does not really matter at all.
Japanese does not really lack of cracked player i agree but VCJ is a bubble where these cracked player only meet other JP cracked player while the rest of the world might be more cracked than them. Gyen are supposed to be this Cracked ranked player similar to karon but he does not really show anything during kick-off at all.
Stop the cap, Something is the sole reason why Sengoku able to come so far.
there's not really a bubble when JP is always an open server, even if Gyen does have exposure, he would still be a risky choice anyways.
Like I said Something and Scarz are just fraction of VCJ history, notice how English speaking roster are barely existent anymore, that's because teams know it has a very hgh chance of failure.
You're not wrong that learning English is a good investment, but that's not what they need right now. they need first on foremost is a competent management.
You're not wrong that learning English is a good investment, but that's not what they need right now.
Then the big question is untill when??? I really want to see JP team being good but honestly they seems lost just like when DFM faced RRQ.. DFM definitely has some aimer outside of MeiY but their play and strat are not adaptable so RRQ could easily just steamroll them twice 13-3.
Something is the sole reason why Sengoku able to come so far.
Then why no JP franchise team picked him from Sengoku???
RRQ players could speak basic english whereas JP needs to start from scratch for most. 4 players + coaches learning ENG is more complicated than 1 person learning Japanese.
you said XCC learned mandarin to be more cohesive, xcc was asked if he could comm in Korean to have better chemistry since its a Korean org with Korean players and Izu had hard time learning English (he didn't expect T1 to be comming in English in an interview).
ZETA faced NS and PRX in their first 2 games. ANY team from any region would have had a hard time with those 2 games. ZETA picked up Syouta who is a crazy aimer from JP, xdll is a solid player and CLZ is a good igl. Bringing in ZETA is not a good argument.
Those countries you mentioned are "foreign" since they are not Japan. Its common to learn their language if the TEAM don't speak English. BME is a different case since some, if not all of them could speak English and their assistant coach is literally British
JP's decision DID NOT backfire.
RRQ players could speak basic english whereas JP needs to start from scratch for most. 4 players + coaches learning ENG is more complicated than 1 person learning Japanese.
Believed or not, majority of Indonesian actually does not speak english well like if you come to the capital Jakarta, you can barely meet anyone who speak conversational english on the street unlike other SEA nation like the philippines, Malaysia, and Singapore. But when Indonesian player know that they're going to be playing in the international stage. Most Indonesian would force themself to speak english because they know they wont survive without english. Famouz is one of BOOM players who's english are quite lacking but he force himself to switch to english so that BOOM can accomodate Dos9 into the team instead of forcing Dos9 to learn Indonesian.
you said XCC learned mandarin to be more cohesive, xcc was asked if he could comm in Korean to have better chemistry since its a Korean org with Korean players and Izu had hard time learning English (he didn't expect T1 to be comming in English in an interview).
Xcc did say that he learn korean so that he can comms better with his other teammate but its not a requirment for him to do so during his time in T1. If its a requirment then it does not make sense why Xccurate was forced to learn korean while Rossy barely learning any korean at all if T1 want them all of them to speak korean. Sayaplayer, Carpe speak good english already, the only player who kinda struggle with english is Izu just as you said.
BME is a different case since some, if not all of them could speak English and their assistant coach is literally British
Again, just like i said before.. Most Indonesian who already become pro player in any sport/Esport forced themself to speak english. All indonesian player before franchising comms only in Indonesian but when franchising start most team try to switch to english as to accomodate foreign player and so that when they're teamless other team might choose them similar to Blazek1ng last year in GE or Monyet when he was in GE and of course Xcc in T1.
KR players study Japanese when they join a JP team to gel with the team. CN is in their own region so adding them to the argument is futile.
your words are really negative and making it sound like JP as a region has got serious stubbornness but in reality, DFM played RRQ who almost beat GENG, ZETA faced NS and PRX. Unlucky draw.
Sengoku gaming, BB, and scarz did not have any notable achievements apart from SCZ's run in LCQ. Individually they may shine but they always fell short to full JP or JP/KR roster who spoke full JP in comms.
Learn the F'ing english? how about the foreign players learn Japanese since the org is paying them + they are joining a JP team that only speaks Japanese
Learn the F'ing english? how about the foreign players learn Japanese since the org is paying them + they are joining a JP team that only speaks Japanese
See?? this is the type of mentality of why the JP scene are not improving at all.. Just because the Org is Japanese does not mean they should stick to only "japan". If these kept on forever then japan would stagnate and wont be improving at all into the future. ID team like BOOM and RRQ comms in english despite both Org are Indonesian. Talon is a HK org but nobody in the team speak Chinese, and if you see EMEA, majority of their team speak english with the exception of FUT because all of them are turkish.
When korean learn to speak english and Japanese, they become good at the game and they're sought after by many team.. MeiY is an insane JP player but sadly majority of team probably wont picked him because he mostly cannot speak english at all just like other JP player.
I think you mistook my comment for being rude but i really want JP to be good at valorant because it such a waste that japan has a big presence in Valorant but their team and player are not delivering at all. And the fact that you didnt see any trouble for japanese not learning english jusr proved that you and majority of japanese prefer to stick in a bubble and does not want to improve by playing and learning from foreign players/gameplay.
That's just a given
Johnta's missing offline presence
Carlao had to cover Johnta ( his track record in Zeta is not good)
XQQ the interpreter ( Ik his role is AC but his practical job is probably just interpreter)
So your line of communication looks like this
Johnta
Carlao
XQQ
Team
Everytime the messages move from one person to another, the messages and intent behind them will be distorted
Just a theory tho. But Iirc this is how communication or messages move from sender to reciever.
I think to tackle this issue, the most solution is to :
- Get Johnta to Korea as fast as possible. this is the most significant step.
- Get the team to improve their english listening comprehension, if they can do this then XQQ is no longer needed.
- If number 2 didn't pan out remove the middleman , Carlao needs to go
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