honestly, francis' igling seems to be better than crws and the entire comp of TLN isn't the best one to stop neon or NS forcing into site with dambi.
if they had Astra or cypher, it might have been better in terms of mid-rounding
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honestly, francis' igling seems to be better than crws and the entire comp of TLN isn't the best one to stop neon or NS forcing into site with dambi.
if they had Astra or cypher, it might have been better in terms of mid-rounding
johnta needs to land in korea asap
whatever makes you sleep at night man. try not to be so emotional next time and don't run away when you can't force your dumb logic anymore.
again, you are not replying to the rebuttals I've made. now you are just trying to run away. keep living in the delusion.
So imagine if a SEA TO bought rights and actually invested in their own scene.
money is a pretty big factor since esports in general is really hard to profit off from.
had all the time (just like other regions) to develop and have enough infrastructure to sustain themselves but only like 1 (or 2)of sub-regions of SEA achieved that. RIOT didn't need to be a charity org.
you are using the word "privileges" as an excuse and the "facts" that you gave isn't even the necessary facts since all other facts that VCJXD and I provide are just ignored lmao.
not being defensive if I am correcting your mistake.
seems like you are bitching about it because Indo teams lost and got emotional, so you are complaining about riot not being charitable enough and keep waiting for years until all of sub-regions in SEA are on the same level of revenue as JP. While saying JP/KR had advantages and even complained about events being hosted in Seoul. again, you just ignored the facts and changed the topic.
not just tournaments but year-long league format too
longer history of hosting events
Blast premier, Major, etc are tournaments
when did i even undermine it? i said that franchising is a year long commitment and the Major/Blast series are not a year long league phase.
stop playing the victim card.
I didn't add japan because Pacific is happening in Korea
are you dumb? you chose to compare indo to korea (still had less peak even with more population) so I put in JP as another point.
self-sustainability isn't just about viewership. its crystal clear you did not read ANY good points from lonlywatchvcj and myself. i only brought up viewership stats because you were crying about it.
Keep crying about privileges when both JP and KR had to work their ass off and get to where they were. No excuse since Japan was more focused on non-pc esports but still made their way up to where they are now.
why would RIOT not choose KR when they have hosted RIOT's biggest events and other company's biggest events. MSI, Worlds, PGC were all in different venues and has longer history of hosting events. Hence making it ideal for RIOT to host the first few years of franchising in Korea.
Longer history, more events (not just tournaments but year-long league format too) = more reliable. Blast premier, Major, etc are tournaments. OW league, LCK, starcraft league + big tournaments.
indo has 250million+ population compared to kr's 57.1million. real nice comparison.
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-challengers-japan-2024-split-1-valorant
RIOT is NOT a Korean company but mostly owned by TENCENT.
so you have KR, who has hosted a PUBG global championship, 2 MSI, 3 World Championships (another coming in 2027), and multiple esports leagues (OW, Starcraft, PUBG) since the early 2000s but RIOT playing favouritism is the reason why KR was picked?
"Infrastructure"
Indonesia and Thailand "alone" cannot compare the revenues with Japan. Hell even Korea lacks in some areas of Japan.
I get your frustration but you really need to research more before writing all these because it just looks like you are venting
looks like someone forgot about the import rule since none of them are from EMEA
riot gives a chance to SEA to make them money
had the same chance to do so along with other regions.
JP - had a pretty good start with Absolute Jupiter/Crazy Raccoon and had positive growth in terms of viewership and support, saw a great increase in orgs joining.
KR - almost ended up like CS but with NU placing 3rd in Masters & OW digging its own grave, they saw a great increase in investment from late 2022. (barely had 500 viewers to 20k in NS v RRQ). Like I said, the big orgs were vital.
Indonesia probably gained enough revenue tho.
Seoul has one of the best infrastructures in esports and it's pretty easy to get VISA for import players too. Hosting 10+ teams and their staff members while already being a pretty hot tourist city is a major pull, just like Tokyo.
Indonesia made good revenue but we are talking about SEA and other regions didn't see great improvement.
masters bangkok will do the same next
Masters Tokyo/Champs Seoul happened too so its not very nice comparison because its an international event.
this Astar guy seems to think that JP/KR are getting favourite treatment but was silent when SEA in general was stagnant when it came to growing as a region for 4 years, only starting to type when RIOT does something.
I guess its easy to blame an entirely different region that was just doing well on its own instead of supporting their region from the beginning.
Thai viewership and kr viewership were toe to toe, and it isn't only about viewership (why leave out JP when talking about views?)
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-challengers-thailand-2024-split-1-valorant
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-challengers-korea-2024-split-1-valorant
seems like you just ignored the "self-sustainability" and "most sub-regions". VN, MY/SG, PH, and HK compared to JP/KR's sustainability through commercial and investment is hard to compare. in fact, JP has the best out of any Pacific team. KR on the other hand has giant orgs like T1/GENG/DRX investing in tier 2 as well as Dplus and Nongshim. They have long history of esports orgs so it attracts fans + sponsors.
2021,2022,2023, and 2024 until stage 2 and the sustainability was sub-par in RIOT's pov and realistically, the competitive level of the sub-regions as mentioned earlier was also below others. SOOP gatekeeping is awful but other points need to be looked at objectively.
"ilya-san"
he isn't even japanese, the fans aren't even Japanese, the team isn't even japanese. what is going on here ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
thankfully the fans/org now seem to be going with a different approach with the new roster. just need johnta to land in korea
funny thing is JP/KR fans aren't even doing it to that extreme.
i am a bit tired of people thinking JP is being protected by RIOT when the numbers (especially money) clearly show and RIOT don't need to be charitable to regions if they can't generate money.
JP has amazing scene in general and can easily sustain ourselves like what #15 said. viewership and income. neighbouring region KR is also self-sustainable and both teams show good promise in ascension. a lot of investment into their tier 2.
most sub-regions of SEA weren't self-sustainable after did not reach the competitive level.
add on: look at JP tier 2. constant investment for years and great players coming in and out. great infrastructure too.
that was last year. achillios said that RRQ got him an english teacher so now his english should be much better.
uh oh, you werent a dumbfuck, but a swine.
there is no agenda. vlr just has no place for a weird dumbfucks like you.
well it's part of the game and it requires game sense and a bit of guessing game tbh. it can be frustrating if your team is on the opposite end of it.
its only February and you are already talking about 2026?
gotta give creds to GENG, they looked like they were on steroids
ZETA's management needs to lock tf in rn. They've got quality roster, I need this team to do well.
absolutely not. i dont even buy any sort of cards to begin with.
tbh you can't really fault gov here when the entire team's game plan was abysmal. average fr0st overcooking vs strong teams
i think fr0st said that primmie wanted to play a non-duelist role
you plant the bomb, so you don't have to necessarily die since you can afford next round. not giving ult points + being able to buy next round = no need to die
what in the absolute monstrosity is this
shit talking with emotion? you are saying the same thing over and over again when 3 other guys who KNOWS JP scene are expressively saying that language isn't the issue.
you are just NOT focusing on the existing issues of JP scene, not caring about actual points myself and others make but constantly weighing on "language". It just ISNT the main issue and it never was the main issue.
Ohtani? It was Ichiro who paved the way and inspired Ohtani.
you are bringing other sports that are impossible to compare it to esports, let alone valorant scene when the way league is ran are complete opposite. I see that you have ZERO arguments because you are repeating yourself over and over again without listening to those who have been watching JP scene since 2021.
dumbass who knows 1 thing forcing his opinion like he is familiar with the scene smh.
ZETA had no reason to bench Dep's jett. ZETA finished 3rd in masters, grouped by LOUD but met them twice after beating BME.
DFM was in shambles since the beginning with their management anyway.
Honestly, if you aren't familiar with what went on and what is going on with JP scene, just don't comment like you are some sort of a genius and knows how to solve shit.
The aussie flag donkey guy also mentioned that NONE of the JP roster with imports did particularly well and only the individuals shined with their stats. Statistically, JP saw more success in regional league and international tournaments with full JP team. Their management was just god awful for so long
who tf thinks "god" gave them english so that they didn't have to learn it? you ignored my point again when I clearly said that "language isn't the problem for the JP scene" and no shit indo don't speak English and they learnt it.
you still don't fucking get it. i replied for xcc because regardless of xcc learning Korean beforehand, he still "commed" in Korean. i don't matter if its the last few games. if you are forcing jp players to learn English, like the whole fucking team, why can't that 1 foreigner learn Japanese?
what makes you think that forcing them to learn English and comm in a brand new fucking language will help the scene?
if a foreign player comes in, 1 person learning the language is more efficient than the entire fucking team needing to learn the lingo.
language is NOT the reason ZETA struggled in '25
rossy wasn't even playing by the time xcc was told to comm in Korean, stax was playing instead of rossy so it was 4 koreans and 1 indo. It was a requirement after rossy got benched and stax joined.
its not the same when some bme players know basic English and communicating in eng vs the entire team + coaching staff needing to learn a brand new language. you are ignoring some of my points and only taking in what you can find arguments for so its just not working out.
Mon could speak English well when he was in GE, and just look at how different t3xture is when he is back communicating in Korean. If a foreign player joined a KR team with 4 kr + kr coaches, they should learn Korean. simple.
language is NOT the reason ZETA struggled in '25
maybe that KR team RRQ faced 2024 GENG and 2025 GENG for the most part.
yall just cannot stop hating on estrella when he had better stats than a handful of top players since stage 2 of 2024. Almost no igls did well against DRX/GENG/T1 coming into 2025 and god forbid someone praise estrella after this great performance huh? is it that hard to say well done or what?
RRQ players could speak basic english whereas JP needs to start from scratch for most. 4 players + coaches learning ENG is more complicated than 1 person learning Japanese.
you said XCC learned mandarin to be more cohesive, xcc was asked if he could comm in Korean to have better chemistry since its a Korean org with Korean players and Izu had hard time learning English (he didn't expect T1 to be comming in English in an interview).
ZETA faced NS and PRX in their first 2 games. ANY team from any region would have had a hard time with those 2 games. ZETA picked up Syouta who is a crazy aimer from JP, xdll is a solid player and CLZ is a good igl. Bringing in ZETA is not a good argument.
Those countries you mentioned are "foreign" since they are not Japan. Its common to learn their language if the TEAM don't speak English. BME is a different case since some, if not all of them could speak English and their assistant coach is literally British
JP's decision DID NOT backfire.
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