japan looks so far behind since forever.. kinda feel bad.. what can they do??
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how to help japan?
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H3ENnZ [#10]How many times has that worked in tier one
I mean dfm look much better with jinboong and akame
BLG_FNS [#14]higher salary first
their salary are low??Don't these japanese orgs have tones of sponsors? i'll be surprised if its low
supr [#18]their salary are low??Don't these japanese orgs have tones of sponsors? i'll be surprised if its low
Only the top ones, mid to small orgs barely have sponsors if at all, and usually all those salaries goes to imports because big orgs like scarz prefer imports.
222qq [#20]Just give them time. Esports (pc tittles) were never popular there not until like 2018 because of apex legends. PC gaming was a niche until 2017 or something.
they have had the game for 4 years and a larger playerbase/sponsorship interest than regions like Korea for the entirety of that time. "give them time" is insane bro it's been 4 whole years even China has had better performances than JP and they got the game like 2 years late
merciless-pity8989-89 [#23]do they?
Not really tbh, they better be trolling in scrims but ain't no way Fennel ( who wasn't even in top form ) diffed you 14 -5 and 10 - 3 on the next day. Like replace gyen with SSeess probably improve things but it won't solve DFM's problems
archetype [#22]they have had the game for 4 years and a larger playerbase/sponsorship interest than regions like Korea for the entirety of that time. "give them time" is insane bro it's been 4 whole years even China has had better performances than JP and they got the game like 2 years late
Jp players are fairly young in terms of pc gaming dont compare them to chinese and koreans whos been playing pc games for decades. Esports culture is fairly new in Japan.
222qq [#25]Jp players are fairly young in terms of pc gaming dont compare them to chinese and koreans whos been playing pc games for decades. Esports culture is fairly new in Japan.
4 years bro. that's all i'm going to say. 4 years with the highest level of interest in Asia.
222qq [#25]Jp players are fairly young in terms of pc gaming dont compare them to chinese and koreans whos been playing pc games for decades. Esports culture is fairly new in Japan.
OK SK is one of the biggest empire in esports. But others? there are probably more PCs in Japan that can run valo at 60+ frames than the SEA and India combined.
i feel like japan have the esports privilege but not the talent its because of the culture of their organization.
theres not a single game that japan is good at esports except for fighting games, even that is individual esports. their orgs tend to be pragmatic when it comes to winning and not as ambitious as korean and chinese orgs where they have the guts to import players just for the sake of winning culture
Astar [#28]i feel like japan have the esports privilege but not the talent its because of the culture of their organization.
theres not a single game that japan is good at esports except for fighting games, even that is individual esports. their orgs tend to be pragmatic when it comes to winning and not as ambitious as korean and chinese orgs where they have the guts to import players just for the sake of winning culture
If anything I'd argue that importing too much really hurt Japan tho.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#29]If anything I'd argue that importing too much really hurt Japan tho.
its about importing the winning culture not only the players. japan havent had the winning culture in the first place
Astar [#30]its about importing the winning culture not only the players. japan havent had the winning culture in the first place
Ok now I'm down for it lol. arin once discussed about how Japan always says "nt" to their players and I agree lol.
archetype [#26]4 years bro. that's all i'm going to say. 4 years with the highest level of interest in Asia.
Decades bro, thats all im going to say too. It doesn't mean its popularity directly translates to success when theres a lot of factors in play.
NekoSugarGirls17 [#33]Learn English then gather their best talents.
Laz
Meiy
Sugarzero
Dep
Import Boostio and Potter
Laz will not return and this is also the last year for Dep, and as for Boostio 0/8
Astar [#28]i feel like japan have the esports privilege but not the talent its because of the culture of their organization.
theres not a single game that japan is good at esports except for fighting games, even that is individual esports. their orgs tend to be pragmatic when it comes to winning and not as ambitious as korean and chinese orgs where they have the guts to import players just for the sake of winning culture
TLDR; you wanna win or do you not motherfuckers import some dude right now
Gather the 4 or 5 best Japanese talents on one team and import an outstanding coach, then maybe there will be a great Japanese team. Language would be an issue though. Nothing can help the region as a whole. Esports isn't really apart of Japanese culture like it is in China or Korea. Current DFM is the best we're going to see anytime soon. Maybe the Riddle core is better than Fennel but I doubt they'd perform highly in t1.
Biostar [#27]OK SK is one of the biggest empire in esports. But others? there are probably more PCs in Japan that can run valo at 60+ frames than the SEA and India combined.
What's your point? Good hardware doesn't mean you're going to be magically good at the game yes?
wololo___ [#35]TLDR; you wanna win or do you not motherfuckers import some dude right now
exactly. the only way to inspire zoomers to make esports a career is to have a winning culture. losing culture cause gamers not to look esports seriously even if your country is so rich and can afford 1000+ high tech game cafe
BLG_FNS [#14]higher salary first
someone better tell him how much the salaries in south east asia lol
the real problem is esports in japan doesnt have winning culture in the first place
armadmeister1 [#17]only player who can compete vs everyone else is meiy. The others are just behind because japan doesn't have as big as a playerbase as south korea, NA, Brazil, and SEA. South korea also has a ton of academies + veterans in the coaching staff so korea is still the number one region in APAC.
Wth are you yappin. JP playerbase has been much larger ever since the start of Valo.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#31]Ok now I'm down for it lol. arin once discussed about how Japan always says "nt" to their players and I agree lol.
Korean players in ALGS once made fun of Japanese players sticking to "NT" after getting wiped, after which the amount of NTs you hear on Japanese comms noticeably reduced.
RA621H [#43]Korean players in ALGS once made fun of Japanese players sticking to "NT" after getting wiped, after which the amount of NTs you hear on Japanese comms noticeably reduced.
It's time to fake myself as Korean then, watch I'm about to say some of the vilest shit if that means Japan can improve lmao
Seo_w [#41]Tokyo servers are the most boring sleeper servers to play ranked in, everyone plays like it's vct even on soloq and because of that it doesn't bring new talents, maybe if their whole culture around how to play (more W gaming) they'd have more fiery cracked players but it's actually just so sleeper
Idk man, majority of people play like castrated animals in tokyo server.
NekoSugarGirls17 [#33]Learn English then gather their best talents.
Laz
Meiy
Sugarzero
Dep
Import Boostio and Potter
better import boaster.i heard hes fluent in japanese
222qq [#37]What's your point? Good hardware doesn't mean you're going to be magically good at the game yes?
And Japan has always had the second best environment in APAC in terms of the size of the orgs, the big tournaments, the tier 2 salaries, Riot's interest, everything. Since the game launched.
It took just three years for the LPL to go from a trash league that Koreans laughed at to sweep LCK. Before that, In my eyes, Japan is no different from the level of China at that time winning Worlds was easier than winning the LCK.
Astar [#40]someone better tell him how much the salaries in south east asia lol
the real problem is esports in japan doesnt have winning culture in the first place
PC eSports tou mean?
Biostar [#47]And Japan has always had the second best environment in APAC in terms of the size of the orgs, the big tournaments, the tier 2 salaries, Riot's interest, everything. Since the game launched.
It took just three years for the LPL to go from a trash league that Koreans laughed at to sweep LCK. Before that, In my eyes, Japan is no different from the level of China at that time winning Worlds was easier than winning the LCK.
Bruh kr had the solid eSports foundation and culture for decades. They just didn't become good automatically. Whereas Japan never had big PC gaming scene let alone eSports before like apex. Money, orgs alone won't improve the regions PC eSports scene automatically.
Astar [#46]better import boaster.i heard hes fluent in japanese
Ik you're joking, but boaster's Japanese is anything but fluent lol
Ryandr [#48]PC eSports tou mean?
Probably, it's always an uphill battle for Japan when not so long ago PC gaming is thought to be just Visual Novels or Hentai Games
RA621H [#43]Korean players in ALGS once made fun of Japanese players sticking to "NT" after getting wiped, after which the amount of NTs you hear on Japanese comms noticeably reduced.
Bruh this is so true and annoying. When I first played on Tokyo server, everyone was saying NT even if the round wasn't even close. I thought at first that they were being sarcastic lmao.
The level of strategy that other teams in Pacific have has overtaken ZETA. ZETA on their miracle-run were relatively creative whilst maintaining discipline. Unfortunately, when your specialism of strategy is quickly overtaken like it is now, it's a very bleak future for Japanese Valorant. We can see how Korean teams are improving constantly and developing new strategies that work very often against many teams. Teams like PRX who look at a glance like they just run it down are very creative with their aggression and it makes ZETA very uncomfortable.
If I had to pinpoint their needed improvements, it's their willingness to risk-take and have those agent-synergies that Korean and Chinese teams have found. Vyselock has been so pivotal in changing how some maps are played. If Japan can find that sort of unique development and have deep strategies with it, they will be a lot more dangerous.
Beyond this, they definitely need to level up their mechanics. I cannot say exactly how the Radiant Japanese players weigh up against other regions, but on a bigger picture, Thai, Korean and Indonesian players seem to have a higher mechanical ceiling now. Dep looked good on Neon today against PRX, but it's not feasible to have one player who can take over a map. Syouta and Xdll showed some glimpses of greatness too. But as it stands, Japanese Valorant is a few steps behind the pack. The positive I can say is that this ZETA looks much better than last year's mess. Hiroronn being on the wrong role for the majority of the year and Yuran being the biggest flop definitely did not help their case, but the FENNEL reinforcements look so much better. They just need to innovate something and run with it.
midzera [#53]The level of strategy that other teams in Pacific have has overtaken ZETA. ZETA on their miracle-run were relatively creative whilst maintaining discipline. Unfortunately, when your specialism of strategy is quickly overtaken like it is now, it's a very bleak future for Japanese Valorant. We can see how Korean teams are improving constantly and developing new strategies that work very often against many teams. Teams like PRX who look at a glance like they just run it down are very creative with their aggression and it makes ZETA very uncomfortable.
If I had to pinpoint their needed improvements, it's their willingness to risk-take and have those agent-synergies that Korean and Chinese teams have found. Vyselock has been so pivotal in changing how some maps are played. If Japan can find that sort of unique development and have deep strategies with it, they will be a lot more dangerous.
Beyond this, they definitely need to level up their mechanics. I cannot say exactly how the Radiant Japanese players weigh up against other regions, but on a bigger picture, Thai, Korean and Indonesian players seem to have a higher mechanical ceiling now. Dep looked good on Neon today against PRX, but it's not feasible to have one player who can take over a map. Syouta and Xdll showed some glimpses of greatness too. But as it stands, Japanese Valorant is a few steps behind the pack. The positive I can say is that this ZETA looks much better than last year's mess. Hiroronn being on the wrong role for the majority of the year and Yuran being the biggest flop definitely did not help their case, but the FENNEL reinforcements look so much better. They just need to innovate something and run with it.
Apparently Yuran is a sentinels player too proven now at Sengoku lol
Biostar [#47]And Japan has always had the second best environment in APAC in terms of the size of the orgs, the big tournaments, the tier 2 salaries, Riot's interest, everything. Since the game launched.
It took just three years for the LPL to go from a trash league that Koreans laughed at to sweep LCK. Before that, In my eyes, Japan is no different from the level of China at that time winning Worlds was easier than winning the LCK.
Bro you are even comparing china who has a very long history with mobas where is japan whos player base started playing with mice and keyboard maybe in like early 2019 for apex and even that, the majority of them played in console versions. its only when the pandemic started where pc games were gaining popular.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#54]Apparently Yuran is a sentinels player too proven now at Sengoku lol
ZETA Academy producing all the sentinels, but it's good to see him finding that improvement. He definitely needed some more Tier 2 exposure since he just had extremely poor decision making. Hope he continues to improve since I won't forget all the confidence he had in himself during the "Know Your Enemy" content VCT Pacific produced. I like confidence, but it definitely needs to be backed up by mechanical or tactical skill.
Astar [#38]exactly. the only way to inspire zoomers to make esports a career is to have a winning culture. losing culture cause gamers not to look esports seriously even if your country is so rich and can afford 1000+ high tech game cafe
Forget the winning culture, they don't even have the "i am the best player" culture/mindset. They all play like chickens on Tokyo server competitive.
9 out of 10 games no one autolocks , which looks good at first but is also a proof that they don't have confidence in their pick.
I always play on Singapore server and on a 1v5 situation, 90% of the time the last player will try to win the round.
In Tokyo server they instantly run and hide to the other site on a 3v5 postplant.
NekoSugarGirls17 [#57]Forget the winning culture, they don't even have the "i am the best player" culture/mindset. They all play like chickens on Tokyo server competitive.
9 out of 10 games no one autolocks , which looks good at first but is also a proof that they don't have confidence in their pick.
I always play on Singapore server and on a 1v5 situation, 90% of the time the last player will try to win the round.
In Tokyo server they instantly run and hide to the other site on a 3v5 postplant.
Yeah if you auto lock and didn't perform they will talk trash to you either verbally or with some good old pinging. And they want to avoid that to be done that to themselves that is why they dont auto lock. Theres not much shown agressive toxicity in tokyo server like in sea but too much passive ones they dont say it in your face.
NekoSugarGirls17 [#57]Forget the winning culture, they don't even have the "i am the best player" culture/mindset. They all play like chickens on Tokyo server competitive.
9 out of 10 games no one autolocks , which looks good at first but is also a proof that they don't have confidence in their pick.
I always play on Singapore server and on a 1v5 situation, 90% of the time the last player will try to win the round.
In Tokyo server they instantly run and hide to the other site on a 3v5 postplant.
sounds like easy elo
time for me to que tokyo server thou my ping will be 80+ ish
Astar [#59]sounds like easy elo
time for me to que tokyo server thou my ping will be 80+ ish
It's easy if you have patience. I have Ascendant 3 and Silver account, both ranks play the same way.
Just don't pick duelist or you will lose your shit. On attack, yourJapanese teammates will just sit on A main or B main until 30 secs remaining. Even if you get 2 entry kills, they won't enter the site lmao.
Learn F'ing english... The only reason goated player from VCJ like smth,jemkin,kr1stal,etc not playing on their team is their inability and unwillingness to speak and learn english.
Korean and Chinese despite having the same struggle as other east asian are much more accepting to learning english so they can easily adapt to other team/region (not like they need to import any player from other region).
Galactc [#61]Nah 2 of each and then an igl
2meiy 2dep and japanese goat igl (so far) the odin guy art
Huyab [#63]Learn F'ing english... The only reason goated player from VCJ like smth,jemkin,kr1stal,etc not playing on their team is their inability and unwillingness to speak and learn english.
Korean and Chinese despite having the same struggle as other east asian are much more accepting to learning english so they can easily adapt to other team/region (not like they need to import any player from other region).
not rebutting or anything but if a foreign player joins a Japanese (or any team with 4 local players in local team) team, it is natural for that player to learn the language that the "team" is using. Unless they bring in someone and decide to rebuild around that 1 player.
xcc had to learn Korean to fit T1 in the latter stage of his time with T1. All the KR players in JP tier 2 AND in DFM know Japanese.
222qq [#58]Yeah if you auto lock and didn't perform they will talk trash to you either verbally or with some good old pinging. And they want to avoid that to be done that to themselves that is why they dont auto lock. Theres not much shown agressive toxicity in tokyo server like in sea but too much passive ones they dont say it in your face.
some JP guys tried to teamflash me or bodyblock me lmfao, they died doing that shit too
R136a1 [#67]not rebutting or anything but if a foreign player joins a Japanese (or any team with 4 local players in local team) team, it is natural for that player to learn the language that the "team" is using. Unless they bring in someone and decide to rebuild around that 1 player.
xcc had to learn Korean to fit T1 in the latter stage of his time with T1. All the KR players in JP tier 2 AND in DFM know Japanese.
not rebutting or anything but if a foreign player joins a Japanese (or any team with 4 local players in local team) team, it is natural for that player to learn the language that the "team" is using
Disagree, BOOM switch from Indonesian to English comms just to accomodate Dos9.. When jemkin first joined RRQ, despite RRQ have 4 Indonesian player they still comms in english instead of Indonesian. Again, its just Japanese unwillingness to learn any other languages other than japanese and shot themself on the foot.
Xcc learning korean is just his personality because when he was playing in Tyloo with BnTeT in CS, Tyloo was comm'ing in English but he still learn Mandarin just for them to be much more cohesive.
And when i said "Foreign" it does not mean like from other region.. I think a team like ZETA could scouted more cracked player from Korea, Indonesia, PH, MY/SG, Thai, etc and be stronger instead of losing without any map from kick-off.
Huyab [#74]not rebutting or anything but if a foreign player joins a Japanese (or any team with 4 local players in local team) team, it is natural for that player to learn the language that the "team" is using
Disagree, BOOM switch from Indonesian to English comms just to accomodate Dos9.. When jemkin first joined RRQ, despite RRQ have 4 Indonesian player they still comms in english instead of Indonesian. Again, its just Japanese unwillingness to learn any other languages other than japanese and shot themself on the foot.
Xcc learning korean is just his personality because when he was playing in Tyloo with BnTeT in CS, Tyloo was comm'ing in English but he still learn Mandarin just for them to be much more cohesive.
And when i said "Foreign" it does not mean like from other region.. I think a team like ZETA could scouted more cracked player from Korea, Indonesia, PH, MY/SG, Thai, etc and be stronger instead of losing without any map from kick-off.
It's not as if Jp has no cracked aimers, Riddle core hasn't been picked by Zeta or DFM, cracked jp players have been popping up. And there's no guarantee it would work anyways, English speaking roster in VCJ barely achieved anything other than Scarz ( 1 split and 2nd place ascension) and mind you they were using 3 imports. It's a management problem, not talent problem.
They barely achieved anything in Tier 2 what makes you think they will do better in tier 1, there's a reason why even DFM opted for Japanese speaking roster.
Forcing yourself to learn English while ignoring your own talent is what Scarz did, and they never achieved anything great other than winning 1 split and placing 2nd in ascension. If anything after that roster disbanded, Scarz just proved time and time again that English speaking roster doesn't guarantee you wins.
But, if there's one reason I'd like Zeta to learn English is so they can undertsand Carlao or Johnta, do that and they don't need XQQ to relay their message.
Huyab [#74]not rebutting or anything but if a foreign player joins a Japanese (or any team with 4 local players in local team) team, it is natural for that player to learn the language that the "team" is using
Disagree, BOOM switch from Indonesian to English comms just to accomodate Dos9.. When jemkin first joined RRQ, despite RRQ have 4 Indonesian player they still comms in english instead of Indonesian. Again, its just Japanese unwillingness to learn any other languages other than japanese and shot themself on the foot.
Xcc learning korean is just his personality because when he was playing in Tyloo with BnTeT in CS, Tyloo was comm'ing in English but he still learn Mandarin just for them to be much more cohesive.
And when i said "Foreign" it does not mean like from other region.. I think a team like ZETA could scouted more cracked player from Korea, Indonesia, PH, MY/SG, Thai, etc and be stronger instead of losing without any map from kick-off.
RRQ players could speak basic english whereas JP needs to start from scratch for most. 4 players + coaches learning ENG is more complicated than 1 person learning Japanese.
you said XCC learned mandarin to be more cohesive, xcc was asked if he could comm in Korean to have better chemistry since its a Korean org with Korean players and Izu had hard time learning English (he didn't expect T1 to be comming in English in an interview).
ZETA faced NS and PRX in their first 2 games. ANY team from any region would have had a hard time with those 2 games. ZETA picked up Syouta who is a crazy aimer from JP, xdll is a solid player and CLZ is a good igl. Bringing in ZETA is not a good argument.
Those countries you mentioned are "foreign" since they are not Japan. Its common to learn their language if the TEAM don't speak English. BME is a different case since some, if not all of them could speak English and their assistant coach is literally British
JP's decision DID NOT backfire.
Farmhouse25252 [#78]The coaching staff is barely functioning.
Club activities at school are so popular that students almost never play PC games.
That's just a given
Johnta's missing offline presence
Carlao had to cover Johnta ( his track record in Zeta is not good)
XQQ the interpreter ( Ik his role is AC but his practical job is probably just interpreter)
So your line of communication looks like this
Johnta
Carlao
XQQ
Team
Everytime the messages move from one person to another, the messages and intent behind them will be distorted
Just a theory tho. But Iirc this is how communication or messages move from sender to reciever.
I think to tackle this issue, the most solution is to :
- Get Johnta to Korea as fast as possible. this is the most significant step.
- Get the team to improve their english listening comprehension, if they can do this then XQQ is no longer needed.
- If number 2 didn't pan out remove the middleman , Carlao needs to go
Huyab [#63]Learn F'ing english... The only reason goated player from VCJ like smth,jemkin,kr1stal,etc not playing on their team is their inability and unwillingness to speak and learn english.
Korean and Chinese despite having the same struggle as other east asian are much more accepting to learning english so they can easily adapt to other team/region (not like they need to import any player from other region).
KR players study Japanese when they join a JP team to gel with the team. CN is in their own region so adding them to the argument is futile.
your words are really negative and making it sound like JP as a region has got serious stubbornness but in reality, DFM played RRQ who almost beat GENG, ZETA faced NS and PRX. Unlucky draw.
Sengoku gaming, BB, and scarz did not have any notable achievements apart from SCZ's run in LCQ. Individually they may shine but they always fell short to full JP or JP/KR roster who spoke full JP in comms.
Learn the F'ing english? how about the foreign players learn Japanese since the org is paying them + they are joining a JP team that only speaks Japanese
IonlywatchvcjXD [#77]It's not as if Jp has no cracked aimers, Riddle core hasn't been picked by Zeta or DFM, cracked jp players have been popping up. And there's no guarantee it would work anyways, English speaking roster in VCJ barely achieved anything other than Scarz ( 1 split and 2nd place ascension) and mind you they were using 3 imports. It's a management problem, not talent problem.
They barely achieved anything in Tier 2 what makes you think they will do better in tier 1, there's a reason why even DFM opted for Japanese speaking roster.
Forcing yourself to learn English while ignoring your own talent is what Scarz did, and they never achieved anything great other than winning 1 split and placing 2nd in ascension. If anything after that roster disbanded, Scarz just proved time and time again that English speaking roster doesn't guarantee you wins.
But, if there's one reason I'd like Zeta to learn English is so they can undertsand Carlao or Johnta, do that and they don't need XQQ to relay their message.
Scarz just proved time and time again that English speaking roster doesn't guarantee you wins.
Ofcourse English comm does not guaratee you wins but learning english is a good investment to any team for the long run because you could easily maneuver or adapt to any player that want or should join your team unlike JP teams where they're stuck only with Japanese and Korean who can speak Japanese.
Smth former team Sengoku Gaming never really in the top of VCJ at all but Paper rex still picked him up because they know that smth is a insanely good player so the argument of intl roster not succesful in japan does not really matter at all.
Japanese does not really lack of cracked player i agree but VCJ is a bubble where these cracked player only meet other JP cracked player while the rest of the world might be more cracked than them. Gyen are supposed to be this Cracked ranked player similar to karon but he does not really show anything during kick-off at all.
R136a1 [#79]RRQ players could speak basic english whereas JP needs to start from scratch for most. 4 players + coaches learning ENG is more complicated than 1 person learning Japanese.
you said XCC learned mandarin to be more cohesive, xcc was asked if he could comm in Korean to have better chemistry since its a Korean org with Korean players and Izu had hard time learning English (he didn't expect T1 to be comming in English in an interview).
ZETA faced NS and PRX in their first 2 games. ANY team from any region would have had a hard time with those 2 games. ZETA picked up Syouta who is a crazy aimer from JP, xdll is a solid player and CLZ is a good igl. Bringing in ZETA is not a good argument.
Those countries you mentioned are "foreign" since they are not Japan. Its common to learn their language if the TEAM don't speak English. BME is a different case since some, if not all of them could speak English and their assistant coach is literally British
JP's decision DID NOT backfire.
RRQ players could speak basic english whereas JP needs to start from scratch for most. 4 players + coaches learning ENG is more complicated than 1 person learning Japanese.
Believed or not, majority of Indonesian actually does not speak english well like if you come to the capital Jakarta, you can barely meet anyone who speak conversational english on the street unlike other SEA nation like the philippines, Malaysia, and Singapore. But when Indonesian player know that they're going to be playing in the international stage. Most Indonesian would force themself to speak english because they know they wont survive without english. Famouz is one of BOOM players who's english are quite lacking but he force himself to switch to english so that BOOM can accomodate Dos9 into the team instead of forcing Dos9 to learn Indonesian.
you said XCC learned mandarin to be more cohesive, xcc was asked if he could comm in Korean to have better chemistry since its a Korean org with Korean players and Izu had hard time learning English (he didn't expect T1 to be comming in English in an interview).
Xcc did say that he learn korean so that he can comms better with his other teammate but its not a requirment for him to do so during his time in T1. If its a requirment then it does not make sense why Xccurate was forced to learn korean while Rossy barely learning any korean at all if T1 want them all of them to speak korean. Sayaplayer, Carpe speak good english already, the only player who kinda struggle with english is Izu just as you said.
BME is a different case since some, if not all of them could speak English and their assistant coach is literally British
Again, just like i said before.. Most Indonesian who already become pro player in any sport/Esport forced themself to speak english. All indonesian player before franchising comms only in Indonesian but when franchising start most team try to switch to english as to accomodate foreign player and so that when they're teamless other team might choose them similar to Blazek1ng last year in GE or Monyet when he was in GE and of course Xcc in T1.
Huyab [#82]Scarz just proved time and time again that English speaking roster doesn't guarantee you wins.
Ofcourse English comm does not guaratee you wins but learning english is a good investment to any team for the long run because you could easily maneuver or adapt to any player that want or should join your team unlike JP teams where they're stuck only with Japanese and Korean who can speak Japanese.
Smth former team Sengoku Gaming never really in the top of VCJ at all but Paper rex still picked him up because they know that smth is a insanely good player so the argument of intl roster not succesful in japan does not really matter at all.
Japanese does not really lack of cracked player i agree but VCJ is a bubble where these cracked player only meet other JP cracked player while the rest of the world might be more cracked than them. Gyen are supposed to be this Cracked ranked player similar to karon but he does not really show anything during kick-off at all.
Stop the cap, Something is the sole reason why Sengoku able to come so far.
there's not really a bubble when JP is always an open server, even if Gyen does have exposure, he would still be a risky choice anyways.
Like I said Something and Scarz are just fraction of VCJ history, notice how English speaking roster are barely existent anymore, that's because teams know it has a very hgh chance of failure.
You're not wrong that learning English is a good investment, but that's not what they need right now. they need first on foremost is a competent management.
yellow_donkey [#81]KR players study Japanese when they join a JP team to gel with the team. CN is in their own region so adding them to the argument is futile.
your words are really negative and making it sound like JP as a region has got serious stubbornness but in reality, DFM played RRQ who almost beat GENG, ZETA faced NS and PRX. Unlucky draw.
Sengoku gaming, BB, and scarz did not have any notable achievements apart from SCZ's run in LCQ. Individually they may shine but they always fell short to full JP or JP/KR roster who spoke full JP in comms.
Learn the F'ing english? how about the foreign players learn Japanese since the org is paying them + they are joining a JP team that only speaks Japanese
Learn the F'ing english? how about the foreign players learn Japanese since the org is paying them + they are joining a JP team that only speaks Japanese
See?? this is the type of mentality of why the JP scene are not improving at all.. Just because the Org is Japanese does not mean they should stick to only "japan". If these kept on forever then japan would stagnate and wont be improving at all into the future. ID team like BOOM and RRQ comms in english despite both Org are Indonesian. Talon is a HK org but nobody in the team speak Chinese, and if you see EMEA, majority of their team speak english with the exception of FUT because all of them are turkish.
When korean learn to speak english and Japanese, they become good at the game and they're sought after by many team.. MeiY is an insane JP player but sadly majority of team probably wont picked him because he mostly cannot speak english at all just like other JP player.
I think you mistook my comment for being rude but i really want JP to be good at valorant because it such a waste that japan has a big presence in Valorant but their team and player are not delivering at all. And the fact that you didnt see any trouble for japanese not learning english jusr proved that you and majority of japanese prefer to stick in a bubble and does not want to improve by playing and learning from foreign players/gameplay.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#85]Stop the cap, Something is the sole reason why Sengoku able to come so far.
there's not really a bubble when JP is always an open server, even if Gyen does have exposure, he would still be a risky choice anyways.
Like I said Something and Scarz are just fraction of VCJ history, notice how English speaking roster are barely existent anymore, that's because teams know it has a very hgh chance of failure.
You're not wrong that learning English is a good investment, but that's not what they need right now. they need first on foremost is a competent management.
You're not wrong that learning English is a good investment, but that's not what they need right now.
Then the big question is untill when??? I really want to see JP team being good but honestly they seems lost just like when DFM faced RRQ.. DFM definitely has some aimer outside of MeiY but their play and strat are not adaptable so RRQ could easily just steamroll them twice 13-3.
Something is the sole reason why Sengoku able to come so far.
Then why no JP franchise team picked him from Sengoku???
Huyab [#84]RRQ players could speak basic english whereas JP needs to start from scratch for most. 4 players + coaches learning ENG is more complicated than 1 person learning Japanese.
Believed or not, majority of Indonesian actually does not speak english well like if you come to the capital Jakarta, you can barely meet anyone who speak conversational english on the street unlike other SEA nation like the philippines, Malaysia, and Singapore. But when Indonesian player know that they're going to be playing in the international stage. Most Indonesian would force themself to speak english because they know they wont survive without english. Famouz is one of BOOM players who's english are quite lacking but he force himself to switch to english so that BOOM can accomodate Dos9 into the team instead of forcing Dos9 to learn Indonesian.
you said XCC learned mandarin to be more cohesive, xcc was asked if he could comm in Korean to have better chemistry since its a Korean org with Korean players and Izu had hard time learning English (he didn't expect T1 to be comming in English in an interview).
Xcc did say that he learn korean so that he can comms better with his other teammate but its not a requirment for him to do so during his time in T1. If its a requirment then it does not make sense why Xccurate was forced to learn korean while Rossy barely learning any korean at all if T1 want them all of them to speak korean. Sayaplayer, Carpe speak good english already, the only player who kinda struggle with english is Izu just as you said.
BME is a different case since some, if not all of them could speak English and their assistant coach is literally British
Again, just like i said before.. Most Indonesian who already become pro player in any sport/Esport forced themself to speak english. All indonesian player before franchising comms only in Indonesian but when franchising start most team try to switch to english as to accomodate foreign player and so that when they're teamless other team might choose them similar to Blazek1ng last year in GE or Monyet when he was in GE and of course Xcc in T1.
rossy wasn't even playing by the time xcc was told to comm in Korean, stax was playing instead of rossy so it was 4 koreans and 1 indo. It was a requirement after rossy got benched and stax joined.
its not the same when some bme players know basic English and communicating in eng vs the entire team + coaching staff needing to learn a brand new language. you are ignoring some of my points and only taking in what you can find arguments for so its just not working out.
Mon could speak English well when he was in GE, and just look at how different t3xture is when he is back communicating in Korean. If a foreign player joined a KR team with 4 kr + kr coaches, they should learn Korean. simple.
language is NOT the reason ZETA struggled in '25
Stormyv8 [#8]They already got all the help they need.
Good T2, many RIOT events, a dedicated server.
maybe time? idk man
many riot events not possible unfortunately
2 biggest things are time and coaching
as far as i know japan doesnt have a big scene in any fps game other than apex legends which is pretty much the most different game compared to valorant while still being an fps game, they need new talents and coaches to come through and learn the game from scratch and get better fundamentally
for now, they should put their best talent in one team rather than splitting solid players across 2 teams and having a couple stinkers in the same team
Huyab [#86]Learn the F'ing english? how about the foreign players learn Japanese since the org is paying them + they are joining a JP team that only speaks Japanese
See?? this is the type of mentality of why the JP scene are not improving at all.. Just because the Org is Japanese does not mean they should stick to only "japan". If these kept on forever then japan would stagnate and wont be improving at all into the future. ID team like BOOM and RRQ comms in english despite both Org are Indonesian. Talon is a HK org but nobody in the team speak Chinese, and if you see EMEA, majority of their team speak english with the exception of FUT because all of them are turkish.
When korean learn to speak english and Japanese, they become good at the game and they're sought after by many team.. MeiY is an insane JP player but sadly majority of team probably wont picked him because he mostly cannot speak english at all just like other JP player.
I think you mistook my comment for being rude but i really want JP to be good at valorant because it such a waste that japan has a big presence in Valorant but their team and player are not delivering at all. And the fact that you didnt see any trouble for japanese not learning english jusr proved that you and majority of japanese prefer to stick in a bubble and does not want to improve by playing and learning from foreign players/gameplay.
Umm... In Asia, the export market is monopolized by KR and Russia/CIS, who have proven to be relatively good at adapting to foreign environments.
In Korea, it's become an industry because of LoL, and there are agents and managers who specialize in imports, and English teachers who only teach pro gamers. If you want to recruit a Korean player, you can buy him like pressing the buy button on Amazon.
No one will choose a Japanese player when they are equally good. If he's slightly better, still he won't be chosen. He has to be very, very much better than everyone else to be considered. But in reality, on average, Koreans/Russians are quite better.
It's not easy to break through this. There has to be a change of perception, not only of the Japanese players, but also of the clubs. That's why I have some respect for Evi and Team heretics.
Sephirothz [#11]why didnt they sign the rid players like yatsuka or caedye instead of fennel players are they underage?
Syouta is more proven and valuable than whole 3 rid players. xdll and Clz were similar to the 3 rid players and not too bad. at least their stats do.
Their teammates make a difference too, Seoldam was the dominant player in the league and Joxjo is the most prolific winner. TENNN, on the other hand, came down from tier 1 because of vision problems, and GON is just a meme player. Nevertheless, the final was intense.
Also, whereas Joxjo's igling was a necessity for rid's performance, Clz is an igl. He's just ready to use.
At least on paper, it wasn't that bad choice. Weren't every Japanese happy at the time? Their hype was quite loud, like a decade-old wish come true.
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