its 11 degrees celsius in Melb rn, it should be summer man. Well it is 1:30am but still.

0 games played in tier 1 and people believing he could have been better than mako is baffling. Like we didnt even see him playing a single minute in full tier 1 season man.

oof that is one big ass statement to make. I don't really like the Ifs in valorant but karon coming into tier 1 from ranked and dropping that masterclass and mako being top class from 2021 masters berlin is kinda hard to be topped. So idk how to answer your question tbh.

mako 1.0 was already dropping GOAT plays, cant wait for mako 2.0

termi, glow, argency masterclass mate. Their talent in creating set plays and growing young players is INSANE.

never doubted him

i didnt say he has no influence. To you, every reply opposing your idea is "you are downplaying tenz", "you dont appreciate him". You are describing him like a second coming of jesus.

wtv you say man, nothing will EVER change you anyway. cheers.

Their A site execution is FILTHY

there were other instances where riot took in opinions from VCT teams. Riens saying riot won't listen to him? That was a tweet from October. Riot could have had plans to nerf neon a few weeks before the kick off starts, and if im not mistaken sliggy mentioned that riot would probably want to nerf neon after a few weeks (this was in october/november) so that it can be played during the off seasons and stage 3, while the kick off can start off with a more balanced agents. You are avoiding my arguments and only blindly throwing your own opinions so theres really no point. Almost every pro talked about neon, the community talked about neon, hence riot nerfed it.

when did i say Tenz cant complain? I was talking about how you are trying to justify your answer by saying Tenz = faker. Also, the things that tenz complains about happen to be the same things other pros and ranked players complain as well. TenZ also complains about other things that many dont really agree on.

RIOT listens to pro players and teams seriously, not only tenz. You are out here literally worshipping him. Get off his dick

talon beat DRX when DRX had flashback on sova while the entire roster was only about 2 weeks old. let that sink in. Talon losing against MiTH and GENG in that fashion but still ranks above DRX is pure delusion.

are you seriously trying to one-up or at least trying to equal Tenz's achievement and status as a pro player to faker...?

boy was sent there to kill neon and did his job. LFG FOXY.

people like you would.

yoman runs to kill: Man, hes just throwing now smh.
yoman drones out: Man, it aint that serious.

There is no winning in these days

BLD lost to GENG

have u seen their comm vids? Aint no mental block, SEN just played brilliantly in their past match up vs GENG, kudos to SEN.

dambi is a QUALITY jett and raze main.

FC Seoul

riot would have had to host another mini-ascension if they were going to take stage 3's results. They did what they could in the unfortunate situation.

I might be biased but I LOVE that BMW design. I had that exact hot toy or something so... its 100% SEXY for me.

twitch pulled out of Korea due to the amount of money they had to pay up and thought "Nah, too much money and the return aint that huge to be paying that much".

kpop trial thing where they were like having the idols flash and enter the sex industry

i dont even know where you heard them but im sure those are the shady ones and not the actual Kpop industry. Also Twitch closed down due to financial issues (they had to pay too much tax or smthing)

The international version sucks ASS. SOOP fumbling the international market HARD rn.

he is just chillin, healing his wrist

i smell bullshit. you "may" have watched them at internationals ONLY. You ain't even DRX/VS fan, move along

its off-season, lead addict. They probably want to play as many different maps on stage as possible, and probably is confident in their split.

mako literally said that he does not enjoy being the veteran in the team and only freeing is older than him but even freeing is igling for the first time. and yet people really be thinking its just "turn off your brain and shoot"

players perform better when surrounded by experienced peers compared to rookies. "he better frag out because he is with rookies" doesn't make sense. Look at Karon, he mentioned that Munchkin taught him a lot and other experienced players helped him on big stages. MF has been playing with the same 4 players since 2022, its obvious he will frag out from time to time, surrounded by players that are used to each other.

Mako not even close to the GOAT title is just pure delusion

karon this year compared to mf in past 3 years? sure
mako in 2022 pulled insane stat while having massive impact for team that finished 5-6th in both masters, while recording 1.14 ratings with 78% KAST over 400+ rounds? I am going to give it to mako for now. Unless Karon maintains his form in 2025, its still mako for me.

so by your logic,
starxo, zombs, redgar > mako???

I have stated in other replies that if Karon maintains his form in 2025, he should be in contention but i always like to wait and see for 2 years at least.

Jake's been feeding people with crazy sums of money left and right in boxing, you might be right.

that is why the OP was complaining about from the start? since people were putting him into the competition and saying mf > mako

GOAT = Greatest Of All Time.

You dont call Ali the GOAT of boxing because he is the best boxer now (rip) but due to his career as a whole.

panc - MIA in 2023
marved - MIA in 2023
both fell off in 2023.
zombs - no words needed
redgar - fell off

As for Karon, i stated that we need to wait for 2025. Can't you read that it was targeted to other controller players other than Karon?

winning 1 trophy and going MIA the following years isn't impressive. By your logic, starxo (who played astra and viper in 2021 champs) is in GOAT contention as well as redgar, and even zombs. It just doesn't make sense.

pancada - missing since 2023, was great in 2022.
marved - don't get me started
karon - Debut season in vct, if he continues his form throughout 2025, he is a strong contender since none of the other controllers had prime for more than 1 year except mako.

Karon's first year in VCT is already better than Mindfreak's entire career, but delusional people out here are slandering Mako. Yikes.

nothing wrong with glazing the undisputed controller GOAT in valorant.

neon wasnt their main weapon until it was meta. Dambi is a really good jett/raze player. He "was" crazy in challengers. Their scrims now is still really good , at least up until October

common danii1 W

would have had a better chance if they could rest and retouch their maps but rito wanted to cram everything together

afaik, the mods can do it.

The OP posted it under "general discussion" at first. I was about to tell him that its under a different category but the mods changed it. I guess that's why strify mentioned it too

still a very good player. hopefully he comes back fully healed.

your reasoning for Talon being top 5 might have been wrong in #9 but Talon seems to be a good contender alongside DFM and ZETA. I would put SPG/NS around there too but im only talking based on the off-season.

nah hes been igling since 2021 challengers korea stage 3. Zest only took over 1 stage of 2022 for a brief moment, and stax was igl in all international tournaments if im not wrong (could have been co-igl system in 1 of the masters)

iDFM and ZETA looked good and seemed to have a better understanding of what they want to do so i think there will be some sort of gap between 9-12 and 6-8 at least for Kick Off. But from stage 1 i guess things could change

OP is probably just yappin with the last place. We can't say for sure who will be the last.

im so happy to see buzz doing well, his awp is soooo clean