buzz
Zander if you rate over bang
yay if you're the 20% of people that think he's a t1 player (he's 26, practically 50 in esports years, let him rest)
kaajak if u think hes derke
boaster if u think hes boaster
davai is just wrong
jinggg yall hate him and downplay him to the point where hes underrated (at least his raze)
something and forsaken are fine where they are maybe forsaken best flex in the world a lil bit maybe but something is fine where he is, its not like ppl r saying hes the best duelist itw or anything hes still a solid duelist
?????
https://www.vlr.gg/51296/acend-vs-gambit-esports-valorant-champions-2021-gf
https://www.vlr.gg/34979/envy-vs-gambit-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin-gf
https://www.vlr.gg/220451/team-liquid-vs-nrg-esports-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-lr2
https://www.vlr.gg/247100/team-liquid-vs-natus-vincere-valorant-champions-2023-group-stage-opening-d
https://www.vlr.gg/213198/fnatic-vs-team-liquid-champions-tour-2023-emea-league-gf
Overrated != Bad
He just can't be considered one of the top players in his role, let alone the world, if he hasn't done much internationally (and yet...), and its been a very long time since he has done anything internationally
He has 1 international win since the grand final vs Acend in 2021: https://www.vlr.gg/220443/team-liquid-vs-edward-gaming-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-ubqf
and internationally he has performed very well on an individual level, I dont see how you can lower someones performance because their team was unable to perform at the same level, if nats was mediocre at those events, yeah sure, he cant be considered the best but he puts up numbers despite the lackluster performance of the rest of his team, there are two matches he did bad. liquid vs loud (where everyone did bad) and liquid vs EDG. all his other matches far exceed his teammates
Agree with most of what you said. But he's overrated forsure still. People are putting him in 'top senti's in the world' lists. You can't be in those lists if you haven't been winning, even if we know the talent is there. There's a reason why if you listed the top smokes player in the world you wouldn't put pancada.
you wouldnt put pancada because he has shown any good results since champs 2022 like literally nothing. you dont know if the talent is there anymore. if you dont think nats is a top sentinel then people like suygetsu and less should also be disqualified.
then whats your list?
benjy
chichoo
alfa
meteor (kinda a senti)
??
you wouldnt put pancada because he has shown any good results since champs 2022
Kinda like.... Nats? (since 2021).
you dont know if the talent is there anymore
Actually, like Nats, we know the talent is still there. When he got out of 'jail' and was back on Loud ( back on smokes, and could speak portuguese) he played pretty well, even though that team at that point was dysfunctional (much like 2023 SEN, and Liquid). And even when he was on KJ with the language gap, we could tell the talent was still there. Everybody knows both Nats and Pancada don't lack the talent to be on top of their roles, even in the current day, the problem is not winning enough (not entirely a single players fault, but it is what it is)
if you dont think nats is a top sentinel then people like suygetsu and less should also be disqualified
Well I agree with Suygetsu not being a top senti currently (talent still there, although it faded a little)
But Less? Pretty clearly the greatest senti of all time (the talent is obviously there), so he's almost a mandatory pick for a top senti player at any given moment, plus he made an event this year and fried in it
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1921/champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid
https://www.vlr.gg/312766/gen-g-vs-loud-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-swiss-stage-r1
then whats your list?
There is only 2 valid picks for top 2
And only 9 valid picks for top 9
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You may think that Nats is individually better than some of these players, that is fine, but you cannot rate him above any of them on a top sentis list
This is for the exact same reason you would not put Kaajak over Miniboo on a top duelists list (or on it at all), even if you think he is better.
i disagree with the nats part cause he has been on TL for 3 years now.... and he's carrying them too. its just that TL is so shit that even nats + sayf was not enough for them to even make an int.
kajaak is still unproven but experience wise he is definitely a downgrade. his ceiling is debatable but yall gotta remember that derke is like 21 or 22 and is young asf as well. plus derke has been consistently among the top 5 if not top 3 duelists every year
buzz - no
Zander if you rate over bang - sure, i rate both equally
yay if you're the 20% of people that think he's a t1 player (he's 26, practically 50 in esports years, let him rest) - disagree there are worse tier1 players than him but its fine if you think he is like atleast t2
kaajak if u think hes derke - sure
boaster if u think hes boaster - no
my top 5 is
pancada - not close to the best smokes player rn
forsaken - good flex not the best anymore
something - good duelist but wayyyy to many people think he is top 5 rn
hiro - great player, not top 20 itw rn tho
whzy - yes he is the original chinese jett but he is like above average rn in china
https://www.vlr.gg/329910/drx-vs-paper-rex-champions-tour-2024-pacific-stage-1-ubsf
https://www.vlr.gg/329911/gen-g-vs-drx-champions-tour-2024-pacific-stage-1-lr1
https://www.vlr.gg/378822/drx-vs-sentinels-valorant-champions-2024-ubqf
https://www.vlr.gg/378833/team-heretics-vs-drx-valorant-champions-2024-lr2
https://www.vlr.gg/297257/drx-vs-gen-g-champions-tour-2024-pacific-kickoff-playoffs-sf
mako trophyless bc his duelist has a choke gene smh