demon1
aspas
derke
leo
kangkang
yay

coach : mini

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo yea i think he has bigger issues to worry about after those hongkong comments

???? can you clarify? what did he get dropped for and is there clear proof like this matchfixing scandal

the website dosent work bro can ya say the name

#27

hmmmm ig the ones who got the lifetam ban were the main ringleaders and the others js participated or got to know too late and thereby couldnt back out/ they gt peer pressured.

the person who got 24 was prolly 2nd in command
and the ones who got 18 months were heavily involved and the others who got 12 and 9 were lightly involved or got peer pressured

why is it unequal? why do some players get less and thr others more? why is it that one team has substantially less time than the other?

i really dont know, js genuinely curious

which one is that ? idk about this one.

is it the one on ascent where he got that 1v3 or the one on bind where he did the sage wall?

well i think the fact that a lot of people not from the US also use the US flag might account for some of these accounts but yea idk either

oh come on, i like that caster, he feels so passionate and like his voice and accent really conveys it

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i didnt read the full title

he got kicked from FNC after 2024 he didnt leave for money

ask george RR martin to finish his book first. bros been writing the same book for 15 years

well if we look only at internationals then the list would be:

Sen
FPX
loud
fnatic
EG
GenG
EDG
T1

valo is like LOL.

you watch the esports, get inspired to play the game, play it, realize that you have a life and cant compete with the tryhards who play the game for 5 hrs a day, come back to VCT and the cycle continues

breach or brim is my most played agent

holy shit, did their entire esports scene watch that final?

i think CIS is js not profitable enough for valo cause CS and welp other things have also contribited..........

nah the helix phantom is js a sexy skin.

Damn

G2 is a good team bro, they've js crumbled under pressure like 3 times now and and look like the second coming of TH

I love chinese sichuan food cause they have this sharp hit with spice rather than a gradual increase and it's tasty asf

Internationally prolly fnc but if we only include the region prolly vit(cause cs) or th

faqwiki.xyz is another good one

lmfao but TH does look good so for their sake i hope they either win the tournament or dont make it to the finals because another 2nd place international would break the team mental completely

friendly fire?

T1 2025 = SEN 2024

the same fairytail run to the finals and then the win over the favorites for the tournament. But the immediate fall out of form and they dont qualify for the next masters(at least T1 made playoffs but still)

G2 2025 = GenG 2024

The team that looked really dominant throughout the tournament but just couldnt put it together under the highest pressure and looked shaky and almost didnt qualify to masters.

could easily dominate the masters and win toronto like GenG in shanghai

depends on who tbh, there are chill fans and there are slightly unstable ones

nah their js APAC c9

I have a small feeling that recency bias has played a large role in this ranking

bro..... CN production js clears, prolly the best looking trophy ive seen for a regionals.

cant wait for the 3d printed EMEA trophy lmfao

CN and big gap to apac and then amer and EU

do you meant entertainment wise or team quality or production?.

if production then CN is just not on the same level, theyre wayyy beyond. they js have an infinite money glitch

again this is a difference in opinion and well see the results at toronto

~~rn imo its

1. TH
~~2. GenG ~~
3 . SEN
4. TL/DRX
5. TL/DRX
6. MIBR/XLG
~~7. MIBR/XLG ~~

and the rest depends on your opinion tbh~~

scratch that i think rn its a competetion btw TH and GenG for 1st and 2nd and SEN for 3rd. rest depends on form

lower than masters but higher than regionals. similar to lock//in

but we ignore that fact that the teams in AMER are worse than the teams in EMEA and APAC so G2 have a much easier time to qualify compared to T1 or VIT.
I mean this can be seen from the results where DRX and TL dominated SEN during bangkok. you can argue that SEN is better now but are DRX and TL js stagnant? no.

k bro. i think we are disagreeing on something fundamental to our arguements right now and i dont think either of us is willing to budge.

why dont we js agree to disagree and move on

G2 themselves suck bro, js stop.

IF G2 was winning and dominating with ease then your points would hold more weight but theyre getting pushed around but SEN and MIBR and quite literally should have lost to EG......

therye only saving grace right now is that theyre playing in the 2nd worst region in the world rn

mate i dont think your in the right mindset to argue right now.

G2 barely made it through sheer luck(EG threw damn hard on pearl, js go watch that map back) and is in a worse region compared to T1. the avg APAC team will smoke an avg AMER team.

but again that is besides the point.

it dosent matter that theyre not performing right now but that they performed then. they beat the clear favorites in G2 and played better under high pressure.

yes you could say the teams are better right now but i will take another example : The teams right now are much better than during tokyo 2023 or LA 2023. does that mean those tournaments were micky mouse? no.
You perform at the time your needed to, not for the future. GenG 2024 would get smoked by G2 2025 but does that discount GenGs achivements? no.

You play for that time not for the future and at that time they were the best team. thats it.

pressure cant js be another story my guy, you cant js not include the most fundamental aspect of esports wile evaluating a teams performance

exactly my point. this game changes wayyy too much(whether that is good or bad is debatable) and teams js cant click into form like they can in counter strike.

i think the issue at hand is that people still compare valorant to counter strike which has a relatively stable meta and unchanging maps(damn good maps but still) and expect the same level of dominance that CS teams show throughout the year. comparing it to league is also wrong since this is a tac shooter. its a weird game that sits in between.

sure but that dosent discount a win, teams still had the off season to bring their teams up to shape.

there is no excuse for a team to be knocked out of qualifying.

you also seem to be bringing up G2 who themselves barely qualified after beating EG(who choked multiple rounds on pearl and should have won) so they themselves got really lucky and qualified. every team who performed in bangkok has played poorly since and this is simply cause they got read cause they were that good. same thing that happened with GenG at champs and FNC at champs(GenG were worse off but both teams got hard read and their strats stolen and both were heavily burnt out after performing for so long)

G2 seems more fundamentally stable than t1 but again performing under pressure and actually winning is what counts. there is very little reward for second place in the mind of the people.

i edited my post pls recheck it and ask more if you still dont believe me

g2 is more consistent that t1 but unfortunately that doesnt matter unless you win a tournament and dont choke a bo5 or a grand finals. we cant js look at a team when theyre playing under less pressure and discount they're performance when they're playing with more pressure.

t1 js performed better with that higher pressure

this is the exact same situation that we had with TH last year where the team is fundamentally really good(TH was fundamentally better thna very team that year other than prime GenG who performed for 2 events) but js cant perform and win under massive pressure(till now)

again by that logic, t1 played good while the other teams sucked.

its not like t1 beat like one good team to win bangkok, they beat all the top 1 teams from every region.

so no i wouldnt call bangkok a mickey mouse but if were gonna look at a teams overall performance throughout the year it will matter less compared to toronto or paris.

for example, if PRX win toronto and go to champs playoffs and t1 go to champs playoffs and they both finish 7-8th then PRX would have had the better year since they won toronto which has slightly more value instead of bangkok. thats it. so no even if g2 makes it to all 3 grandfinals they will only at most equal t1 since t1 won a international and g2 didnt.

which is why last year was GenG(1 final and 1 win) > EDG(1 win,champs) > SEN ( 1 win,masters madrid) > TH(2 finals, shanghai and seoul).

bro really has a hate boner for t1...

fairytail run to win the first masters

gets knockout out and dosent qualify to the second masters

will qual to champs and will do well in champs(3-4th place)

and he script from riot repeats

exactly, like bro if this was last year then the boring allegations are somewhat understandable but this year they have jawgemo and he like one of the most entertaining players to watch

???? which is why jawgemo had the most kills in a masters finals.....

W 8/8 ragebait cause you included miniboo which is true