top 5 overrated players go

#1

gamergirl

buzz
Zander if you rate over bang
yay if you're the 20% of people that think he's a t1 player (he's 26, practically 50 in esports years, let him rest)
kaajak if u think hes derke
boaster if u think hes boaster

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toofan1

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W

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BulkyLettuce

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Aspas
Aspas
Aspas
Aspas
Karon

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Ory

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someone is salty at aspas

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BulkyLettuce

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everyone knows hes overrated

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Ory

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Yeah hes probably only top 3 in the world maybe not top 1

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Froggy0_0

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only top 1 is max verstappen

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iTzJ4son

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hiro - hes good but he isnt that good

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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yeah hes pretty okay-ish, dont know why people hype him up like crazy
but considering him being a rookie and having some good games on fnc last season i think he deserves his spot in T1

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kanyefan4238173

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Got overpaid by Navi

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Srathens1

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Something
Forsaken
Jinng
Davai
JohnQT

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gamergirl

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davai underrated tbh

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Azzelastia

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Can't believe that russian fraud is still stealing paychecks

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Zeah

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jingg exist

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smthlikeyou11

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davai is just wrong
jinggg yall hate him and downplay him to the point where hes underrated (at least his raze)
something and forsaken are fine where they are maybe forsaken best flex in the world a lil bit maybe but something is fine where he is, its not like ppl r saying hes the best duelist itw or anything hes still a solid duelist

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0atmeaLLL

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forsaken being the best flex in the world is a bit too much but other than that he is definitely rated perfectly.

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Zeah

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afaik the statement came from few pros opinion

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0atmeaLLL

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He cant even play an agent the way its intended to, just spamming utility is not being the flex itw. Carried by his mechanical prowess.

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OwenCOA

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something overrated, forsaken fairly rated, jingg fairly rated, davai underrated, johnqt fairly related

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saebr

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Smth not overrated brah

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PP12123213123

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where is mindfraud

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unknown_trash

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Everyone rightly rates him as a fraud now. He's not overrated anymore.

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Dybala21

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If according to this year's performance, it's this:

f0rsaken
Jingg
Jamppi
Tomaszy
Mazino

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NOROTU

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jingg is ok but forsaken ?

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thwifo_fan

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mazino played great your trippin

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Average_VCT_fan

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Mazino is great, sure he couldn’t lived up to his idol sinatraa but bro played fine…..

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slinetvrt

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cringe

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n1cf

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not cned

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gamergirl

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nobody rates cned my love

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n1cf

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firstly im not your love

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gamergirl

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wasn't what you said last night

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Denjisideals

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😨

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sideshowsbaldhead

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dms open if any french women want to rant to me about how good natank is

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BabyWizard

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Oh, so ypu're taken 🥺🥺🥺

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Clucker

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French opinion

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gamergirl

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polish does what

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Clucker

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Racism

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Convoy

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💀

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TEHMANISDINGIN

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Botssi

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Denjisideals

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No one even rates him anymore...

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justo

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he is not rated highly wdym

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USCK

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Jamppi but I hope he finds form as a igl in bbl

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K4ziuHa

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Verno

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H3ENnZ

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Thank god no one said Aspas yet

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Srathens1

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Aspas

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Amexdxyz

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C0M

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kayze

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How can he possibly be overrated with the amount of haters he has

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Amexdxyz

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Not enough haters

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Yuniee44

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entire 2023 evilgoobers roster

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Hobbit

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Jinggg
Less
Something
Aspas
Sheydos

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Convoy

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Aspas and Less were well rated and Aspas even dropping 30 bombs oftenly

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Shuaaaa

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Haven't seen people glazing sheydos in years. He was honestly the most consistent player on KOI this year too :(

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OwenCOA

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Boaster
OXY (He has potential but as of right now he is not one of the best duelists)
Jamppi
Shao
Zippan
Redgar
ANGE1
Boostio
FNS
Victor
crashies
Foxy9
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MaKo
mindfreak
vanity

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Ultime

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Putting oxy second on that list is crazy

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OwenCOA

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needs to make international

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reaper_rega08

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nobody even rates Boaster though.

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OwenCOA

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he’s still on FNC, maybe not the fans but the teams overrate him

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hellfire

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vic and crashies in the big 2024
derke
n0ts
jamppi
johnqt i think to some extend bc sen fans tend to put him over ppl like saadhak and boaster, but most of the time hes js rated

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ValAnalist

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C0m
miniboo
Jawgemo
Pancada
Every tier 2 NA player.

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Yuh_aye

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Florescent - obv reasons
Nats - 1 int win in 3 years (he was the worst in the lobby during that win too)
Verno - getting glazed a little too hard
Kaajak - he is a downgrade from derke
S0m - needs to prove himself again, people still act like hes a top smokes CURRENTLY

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Shuaaaa

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Agreed w/ all but the kaajak comment

I get he's unproven, but I think he has the potential to be as good as Derke, if not, better.

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grisx23

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That's a very high ceiling to give to a tier 2 player. Derke was part of a dynasty

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GambleNats

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?????
https://www.vlr.gg/51296/acend-vs-gambit-esports-valorant-champions-2021-gf
https://www.vlr.gg/34979/envy-vs-gambit-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin-gf
https://www.vlr.gg/220451/team-liquid-vs-nrg-esports-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-lr2
https://www.vlr.gg/247100/team-liquid-vs-natus-vincere-valorant-champions-2023-group-stage-opening-d
https://www.vlr.gg/213198/fnatic-vs-team-liquid-champions-tour-2023-emea-league-gf

#68

Yuh_aye

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Overrated != Bad

He just can't be considered one of the top players in his role, let alone the world, if he hasn't done much internationally (and yet...), and its been a very long time since he has done anything internationally

He has 1 international win since the grand final vs Acend in 2021: https://www.vlr.gg/220443/team-liquid-vs-edward-gaming-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-ubqf

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GambleNats

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and internationally he has performed very well on an individual level, I dont see how you can lower someones performance because their team was unable to perform at the same level, if nats was mediocre at those events, yeah sure, he cant be considered the best but he puts up numbers despite the lackluster performance of the rest of his team, there are two matches he did bad. liquid vs loud (where everyone did bad) and liquid vs EDG. all his other matches far exceed his teammates

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Yuh_aye

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Agree with most of what you said. But he's overrated forsure still. People are putting him in 'top senti's in the world' lists. You can't be in those lists if you haven't been winning, even if we know the talent is there. There's a reason why if you listed the top smokes player in the world you wouldn't put pancada.

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GambleNats

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you wouldnt put pancada because he has shown any good results since champs 2022 like literally nothing. you dont know if the talent is there anymore. if you dont think nats is a top sentinel then people like suygetsu and less should also be disqualified.

then whats your list?

benjy
chichoo
alfa
meteor (kinda a senti)
??

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Yuh_aye

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you wouldnt put pancada because he has shown any good results since champs 2022

Kinda like.... Nats? (since 2021).

you dont know if the talent is there anymore

Actually, like Nats, we know the talent is still there. When he got out of 'jail' and was back on Loud ( back on smokes, and could speak portuguese) he played pretty well, even though that team at that point was dysfunctional (much like 2023 SEN, and Liquid). And even when he was on KJ with the language gap, we could tell the talent was still there. Everybody knows both Nats and Pancada don't lack the talent to be on top of their roles, even in the current day, the problem is not winning enough (not entirely a single players fault, but it is what it is)

if you dont think nats is a top sentinel then people like suygetsu and less should also be disqualified

Well I agree with Suygetsu not being a top senti currently (talent still there, although it faded a little)

But Less? Pretty clearly the greatest senti of all time (the talent is obviously there), so he's almost a mandatory pick for a top senti player at any given moment, plus he made an event this year and fried in it

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1921/champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid
https://www.vlr.gg/312766/gen-g-vs-loud-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-swiss-stage-r1

then whats your list?

Meteor/Chichoo
Meteor/Chichoo
3-9. Flashback/Leaf/Alfa/Johnqt/Less/Benjy/Tex

There is only 2 valid picks for top 2

And only 9 valid picks for top 9

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You may think that Nats is individually better than some of these players, that is fine, but you cannot rate him above any of them on a top sentis list

This is for the exact same reason you would not put Kaajak over Miniboo on a top duelists list (or on it at all), even if you think he is better.

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BulkyLettuce

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nats is washed, keep glazing your washed n0ts

hasnt made a LAN in years hahahaha

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nobody___100

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he hasn't made a lan in 1 year, quit yapping. he was at tokyo and champs

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BulkyLettuce

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didnt get past the first round LOL

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GambleNats

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tokyo

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alpine007

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i disagree with the nats part cause he has been on TL for 3 years now.... and he's carrying them too. its just that TL is so shit that even nats + sayf was not enough for them to even make an int.

kajaak is still unproven but experience wise he is definitely a downgrade. his ceiling is debatable but yall gotta remember that derke is like 21 or 22 and is young asf as well. plus derke has been consistently among the top 5 if not top 3 duelists every year

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bobwoblob

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florescent, vania, jiing, something, meL

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GambleNats

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buzz - no
Zander if you rate over bang - sure, i rate both equally
yay if you're the 20% of people that think he's a t1 player (he's 26, practically 50 in esports years, let him rest) - disagree there are worse tier1 players than him but its fine if you think he is like atleast t2
kaajak if u think hes derke - sure
boaster if u think hes boaster - no

my top 5 is
pancada - not close to the best smokes player rn
forsaken - good flex not the best anymore
something - good duelist but wayyyy to many people think he is top 5 rn
hiro - great player, not top 20 itw rn tho
whzy - yes he is the original chinese jett but he is like above average rn in china

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gamergirl

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ur wrong
ur wrong
ur wrong
yes
ur wrong

low iq detected, opinion rejected :)

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GambleNats

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how is buzz overrated

#46

gamergirl

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spend like 2 minutes, go look at all of DRX's elimination games in the last 3 seasons, tell me who's consistently choking on duelist when his team needs him

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GambleNats

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look at every other game, look who is putting drx on his back and getting them to their placement in the first place

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gamergirl

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plays well when it doesnt matter chokes when it does, overrated, loser mentality, goes +20 in seeding matches when they lose and -10 in tournament losses

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GambleNats

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they wouldnt even beat fnatic without buzz besides mako they are all negative in a 17 - 26 series

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gamergirl

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https://www.vlr.gg/329910/drx-vs-paper-rex-champions-tour-2024-pacific-stage-1-ubsf
https://www.vlr.gg/329911/gen-g-vs-drx-champions-tour-2024-pacific-stage-1-lr1
https://www.vlr.gg/378822/drx-vs-sentinels-valorant-champions-2024-ubqf
https://www.vlr.gg/378833/team-heretics-vs-drx-valorant-champions-2024-lr2
https://www.vlr.gg/297257/drx-vs-gen-g-champions-tour-2024-pacific-kickoff-playoffs-sf

mako trophyless bc his duelist has a choke gene smh

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GambleNats

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all these games are where all of drx do bad except 1, who is normally mako. show a game where its actually buzz fault

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not just elimination games, just look at all his playoff stats in his entire career except for stage 2 2024

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alpine007

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W opinion

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saebr

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Who is putting something top 5??

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GambleNats

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ive met atleast 3 which is already too much

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Kirya

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Forsaken, patitek, kr1stal, majority of g2 roster

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gold2peak

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no kaajak slander

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Kirya

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Overrated ≠ bad
Hes downgrade to derke

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gamergirl

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good girl

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gold2peak

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nope

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Hades_Loves_Rb

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MADA
primmie
kajaak
koalanoob

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ihatewestjett

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Not a top 5 but the entire KOI and NRG roster

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GambleNats

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koi roster? overrated? how they seem pretty fairly rated

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reaper_rega08

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Zellsis
Something
C0M
marteen
FUT roster
S0M
FNS
Xccurate
ZETA Roster
Lakia
Jamppi

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zeroouki

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aspas,tenz,something,skbotssi