why EG was the best team of all time (serious)

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sensucks

They were the most innovating and creative team we've seen play at a world class level. They were doing shit nobody else was doing and they made it work like it was a cheat code. From their introduction and dominance with Sova Fracture, to their excessive and unique roleswapping with Demon1 Jawgemo and Boostio, to their calling being heavily heavily reliant on pure unadulterated team coordination and synergy backed up by their heavy and precise usage of team util without having to rely on stupid ass 20 site fakes or brainless aim duelling heavy gameplay, I can go on.

Even the little things like reintroducing Chamber back into the meta on the biggest stages after the execution he received post-2022 or their Yoru Pearl, they were by far the most open minded top team we've had when it came to challenging what we knew of Valorant. I know Chet was having heart attacks whenever EG's duelists were playing smokes, I know JohnQT was scratching his head watching EG call their site hits and win without trying to outsmart the audience themselves by faking and pulling rotations for 90% of their rounds, I know 99% of all teams in Tier 1 since Tokyo were confused as fuck on how untouchable EG's Fracture was with a dead pick like Sova

it was intellectual dominance and it completely disproves any dumbass theory that points towards them not being able to keep it together for 2024.

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been saying this for a long time. eg would shit on any team this year. eg was such a beautiful team to watch and we prob wont ever see it again

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allat. SEN and TH in their current form clear EG.

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LOL

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Th, I could see it. sen? Naw

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sen not in this form maybe kickoff/madrid but its hard to tell

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Nice one bro
Fnatic 2023 3-0's EG 2023

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sensucks

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give map veto to EG and thats not happening, worst part is that Champs EG would've cleared Tokyo EG anyways form wise just like how Tokyo EG would've cleared Americas EG, and we've already seen FNC in Champs that year.

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bro FNC in champs had practically everyone of their starts read and copied due to how good they were. people literally copied they're lotus comp and still do to this day. FNC has a burnout and yet still made it to 4th so not bad at all.
FNC in their prime clear EG any day. their starts were broken and boaster is a much better caller than boostio AND he was also shooting that year.
its like this
Leo >>>> Com( I mean is there even a comparison)
alfajer > jawgemo(not by much since jaw is also insane)
derke = demon1 ( yea demon1 was a better aimer but derke was better at teamplay and created more space while entering a site)
boaster > boostio ( much better calling and igling while having good aim at the same time)
chronicle >>> Ethan ( again there little to no comparison)

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you're ill + FNC played Lotus twice in LOCK//IN (1 win and 1 loss, with the loss being in the GF), and suddenly we wanna give FNC all the praise for it? They weren't even the first team to introduce the comp in 2023, it was fucking 100T in their first match at LOCK//IN. Wrap it up bozo the comp was never theirs. "FNC in their prime clear EG" narrative still being said even when EG won Champs FNC couldn't even break top 3 in haha.

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give me an example of a team who has won a masters and won champs. you cant cause there are fucking none. the teams who win always face either a massive burnout or get their starts read like a book due to how much of their gameplay is waiting to be analysed by every team in the world. FNC dominated every team in the world so everyone analysed their gameplay.

also in the first point why tf r u only v counting lock//in. where did tokyo and Champs go ? they only lost like 3 maps internationally when they made it to champs

also WTF r u on about? 100T used Kay/o in their comp LMFAO. get your stats right brainded NA fan.

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sensucks

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"100T used Kay/o in their comp" when what we were talking about is the usage of Astra in Lotus, which is what they did dumbass user with the flag of Virgin Islands, United States calling me a braindead NA fan. "FNC HAD BURNOUT!!! THEY COULDVE WON WITHOUT BURNOUT!!!!" you sound like a baby lol. Maybe if FNC analyzed EG during the biggest event of the year then they would've placed higher than 4th.

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bro u do realise that the difference between using kay/o and a kill joy is different right? like bro u really need to visit a neurosurgeon to get that clot in your brain removed cause man r u dumb asf.
what we were talking about is the usage of Astra in Lotus bro who only talks abt one agent in a comp while ignoring the agent that LITERALLY lets you lock down a site on your own.

u sound like an idiot who cant argue without insulting the other party first and UR calling me a baby?! go back to middle school kid

also you do realise they lost to loud both times and not EG right? burn out is a a real thing but u probably don't know cause I'm sure you haven't concentrated for more than 5 minutes in your entire life.

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sensucks

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how do you type like an actual child and then have the audacity to call me a middle schooler haha. FNC for sure had burnout dude!!! Them losing to LOUD twice while EG literally beat LOUD to qualify to the Grand Final totally didn't mean anything! Keep crying lmfaooo there's no way you're this frustrated. "you haven't... concentrated... for more than 5 minutes... IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE!!!" hahahaha

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sure bro have fun.

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sensucks

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and UR calling me a baby?! go back to middle school kid....

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Fnatic slapped that 'best team of all time' by clean sweeping them at the finals. Calm down dickhead

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Hard cold facts.

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Be fair. The map vetos were fucked for EG.

I think a more fair showing was the lower final. 2-1 with insanely close maps.
Even the grand final, every map besides I believe lotus was as close as could be.

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I watched it live, the 2-1 had Derke underperforming like crazy which was a rarity in 2023. In the finals all of Fnatic was doing what is expected.

If you can't keep a diverse map pool you should be punished in a finals.

There is no way EG should have beaten Fnatic outside of potentially champs in 2023, EG got hope in that 1-2 because a consistent Duelist disappeared for a series.

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This is an inconsistent statement. "If you can't keep a diverse map pool you should be punished in a finals."

I agree, but then why should Fnatic be allowed to ban EG's good maps and also have their first map pick?

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What happened a month later when their star player didn't have visa issues and they could actually practice with him?

Ill tell you: they did much better than fnatic, including beating the team that smacked tf out of them at champs, the same way PRX did (also visa issues).

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FNC has a burnout

So much cope. We're still doing the 'burnout' routine? Why was EG not burned out and got 1st at champs? They went to those finals in tokyo too, same 1 month break, right back at it. The truth is they were the 4th best team at champs, and they ran into the 3rd best team.They were also not the best team in the world at tokyo

FNC in champs had practically everyone of their starts read and copied due to how good they were. people literally copied they're lotus

And I'm glad you bring up their lotus, its the ultimate example of their fraudulent, paper-thin 'greatness'. A perfect metaphor. Everybody thinks they were so insane and ahead of everybody else, and they bring up the Lotus comp as an example. But their understanding of Lotus was surface level, it's why they got hard exposed by LOUD on it by the time Champs came around, by punishing it's weakness's. Sliggy has a great breakdown on it that you should watch in full : https://youtu.be/HkcI0rC6dcY?si=zzgwUELbpKiQaQPK

Take note when he mentions that other teams domestically tried and failed to expose this weakness, but of course, Fnatic got away with it by just mech-checking everybody in EMEA. But when they ran into a team that could shoot back, this supposed strategic superiority dissapeared.

FNC in their prime clear EG any day

LOL. Fnatic played against a nerfed EG at tokyo (imagine losing your star player and preparing for a major tournament without him - potentially practicing different compositions, agents, synergy issues - just for him to return last minute)

The result:
Fnatic decisively better on 1 map : Lotus
EG decisively better on 1 map : Fracture
Every other map came down to 2 rounds, the closest possible margin in valorant
Upper finals came down to a smoke spam

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what ur saying makes a lot of sense but the upper finals as someone above pointed out had derke(one of the most consistent duelists of his time) massively underperforming

the score in the Upper finals was
LOTUS: 13-3 in FNC's favor where everyone dragged
Fracture: 13-9 in EG's favor where derke went 13/17
Split: 13-11 in FNC's favor where derke went 11/22 and leo had to carry FNC

I think the nerfed EG claims are going a bit too far as are the FNC burnout claims(including the one I made). FNC did suffer a burnout but it shouldn't have had as much of an impact that it did. as for EG suffering a burnout they basically didn't play Lock//in where they got knocked out second round by talon. FNC did play an extra event but the burnout is an overplayed card

as for the EG nerf claim yes, they did play with a slight nerf where they would have been behind at the start of the tournament but I'm pretty sure(I could be wrong) that they played split 1 with demon1 so it couldn't have been that much of a change to go back and play with him again. by the end of the tournament I think they had gotten settled and were all able to perform at their peak.

the GF was a close affair if you look at the maps where FNC had to make a small come back from 12-9 in the end to get the 3-0 but everyone on FNC was criminally underperforming till the end where alfa and derke went ballistic on bind.

as for the lotus issue I haven't really researched on it and dotn want to so I'm gonna trust your word for it.

in the end I think they both were the top 2 teams on the scene that year and the EG>FNC or FNC>EG is just an opinion in the end.
they both probably get grouped by the current GenG, TH and SEN

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sensucks

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a declaration of independence is being written in my beautiful post wtf. didn't i already tell you to stop coping about that dumbass FNC burnout excuse? lmao

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alpine007

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bro can u fuck off. im not even talking to you
I'm talking with a guy who actually knows how to make an argument and gives facts and doesn't just say shit for the sake of saying shit

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sensucks

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this my post brainlet haha, writing all that for cope that FNC players themselves never believed in, you are deranged

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alpine007

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yea sure mate. im not going to argue with closet brainded SEN fan

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sensucks

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my name is literally sen fucking sucks

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100t fan 👍

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MetaGod

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Demon1 himself admitted Fnatic 2023 is the best team.

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that same fnatic lost to loud twice and are boasting about winning champs if loud wasn’t in their way lol

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You have to wonder if FNC would've win Champs if they didn't have to play LOUD twice

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They get smacked by both PRX and EG, a hard reality check, proving what I have said all along: Fnatic was only the 3rd best team in the world when they won tokyo

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I think this version of heretics is close to that eg level. Way they have constant decision making and crazy good cross fires and trades. Fire power wise and start wise as well

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sensucks

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did the entire innovation and creativity part skim over your head?

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did you watch icebox today?

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too bad EG were too broke to keep them

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who?

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teilwal

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Eg 2023 only 1 map out of the 6 they played vs fnatic and lucked out that they didnt face them in champs

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they just hit their honeymoon in champs, they would have gotten figured out at some point anyway

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sensucks

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Tokyo finalists while beating every 1st seed minus China and that wasn't even their peak, keep coping

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I agree and disagree with this. I do think 2023 EG had the single highest peak of any team (although 2023 FNC was very close) in Champs 23. But if we are talking of all time, one tournament doesn't define it.

It's also unfortunate that they didn't get a chance to prove themselves in 2024. I truly do believe if they had more time together they could have been the best team in the world again. They seemed to bond like nobody else and truly had the chemistry required to be a winner.

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deadass the grand final should’ve been a 3-0, eg were godlike at ascent but got thrown off by that weird ass prx comp

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Optic gotta be given the edge bro im ngl

EG was very good for a short stint though

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I was about to say “glaze” but your reasoning was valid. I agree and disagree too.

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i agree, the stars were aligning for this team becoming incredibly good, every single player on the team was a perfect fit for their style.

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I'd say EG 2023 was the most STRUCTURED team of all time. I don't doubt that if they stayed together they would be able to adapt to the meta and innovate, but the general fundamental play and midrounding at the top level has been SO MUCH better this season compared to the last. It's hard to compare last year's team pool to this one for that exact reason.

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Boostio my goat clears all of vct

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boostio aint no goat he a pig

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Potter was the goat and the fact she helped Demon1 play with ease helped them win Champs 2023. The surrounding teammates also played phenomenal especially Jawgemo and Ethan.

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2023 EG was 100% a top 3 team ever. This is at their peak compared to everyone else in the same tournament as them not compared to other teams. 2023 EG, 2022 Loud and 2022 OpTic are top 3 then it’s debatable for every spot after but those 3 teams should always be at the top of lists until there is another team that’s better.