s1mple didn't make cs, but i feel like tenz isn't even near s1mple. faker, sure, he made lol pretty much, but s1mple was more influential on the scene than tenz

well we had a major winner in ropz saying that ''prize pool from the major win is just a small bonus when compared to stickers''

you are talking about him as if he is like s1mple in cs, or faker in lol, wtf

I mean I feel like the reason those players worth less is nepotism. imho

1.) I am still talking about franchising in the current set of rules though. The team's position in an open circuit depends on how good the team is. If an established org starts going to shit (e.g. Fnatic, NiP, astralis in cs) nothing will save them because there is no system preventing this. They can get back by getting good. The hierarchy built by strength is always better than the one built on money sportswise
2.) The fact that franchising houses and allows this mediocrity for 4 years now is concerning
3.) Tier 2 has lower salaries, and only 1 chance to improve for 1 year
5.) because lol is more profitable
if riot were to hire me, or even Jesus Christ, no one is solving that franchising problem. I will however post a counter question. why was everyone in europe so against the Super League despite all of the big teams being in debt, because it would ''kill the competition and turn football into a show'' but then everyone just said ''franchising? fair enough.'' Why? what was different about it?

cuz those people are either nostalgic and refuse to accept rivalry, are jealous of val devs actually being alive. Funniliy enough the most mature reaction came from the cis region, where some people went to val, everyone just went ''ok, cool I guess' and then continued developing the cs scene. I personally prefer cs and think that cs is a better game but that in no way means valorant is a shit game. I feel like valorant does a great job being someone's first fps 5v5 for example, if they come from something like fortnite, or overwatch or apex

funniest shit is that if cs community wasn't a bunch of gatekeepers, cs would have a bigger playerbase AS A CONSEQUENCE of valorant.

I mean that's kinda the whole moneyball dillema. you have good players, but there is just something about them people don't like

what's the playerbase of val? I know about the viewership, but china carried hard

because CS fans think cs>val because it's edgy not because it has better shooting mechanics, maps, history, esports scene. Like out of all the things they want to talk about is the fucking HEHE BROKY SHOWED MIDDLE FINGER, EHEHEHEEHEHEHEHEHE

1.) a team ascends, has to fight tooth and nail to get to champs because then they drop into the ascension tournament. If they are eliminated due to being unlucky then they might have their players stolen because talented players don't want to waste one year in tier 2 instead of a year in tier 1, therefore making them weaker and forcing them to find weaker alternatives
2.) poor phrasing, it doesn't encourage you losing games, it doesn't punish you enough, e.g. mibr
3.) franchising does affect the length of the career cause the number of slots is limited, NA can only field 6-7 duelists MAX, anyone else is surplus, forcing anyone in the duelist slot to be in the hot seat and there is nowhere to fall back on
4.) I give this one to you
5.) it has to do with franchising because having more than 3 events + stages will force riot to increase their spending and they do not find it profitable

ascended teams always at a disadvantage
system which encourages losing games
careers which last 2-3 years max
shitty formats
lack of events

1. LoL
2. CS
3. Val (without china, top 2 with china)
4. Dota
5. who cares lmao

faker being the most consistent player of his game for a decade now throughout which he won 4 worlds in the most competitive region while being on the most skill based position in the game is surely the same as winning 2 international events and having 2/4 good years, sure bud

wtf acend left valorant, I cannot believe it man

none of those were fighting for titles

''we have long term rivalries'' but then riot destroyed its biggest chance at a generational rivalry

CS from next year works based on the strength of the team, not on how much you pay. If a team is like top 40 in the world, wins the closed qualifier to one tier 1 event out of 30+ organized and shows a decent performance , they will go up the rankings claiming the invites which tier 1 teams decline. Basically with so many events you will have a constant rotation of teams based on how strong they are

I guess life decided for you stopping

True I guess, but CS skins are in no way comparable to casinos. There they can chop off your fucking hand for loans

I have the stuff which I love, but I am self critical enough to understand that I need to focus on other things as well. I like gaming, but I would also like to get good education. If I succeed in the first one, cool. If I succeed in the second one, Cool

Well at least you were smart enough to stop, congrats.

If they are that retarded they WILL find a way to waste this money. Is it unethical to have children waste money on gambling? Yes, never arguing that. Were they autistic enough not to understand that the house always wins? Yes.

Also prevents Mongolian invasions, time to kill some ponies

So before that a person is dumb enough not to understand that the thing which says" ye ye, you can spend small and win BIG" doesn't sound like something which wants to rob you of your shit?

Grandfathers spend their time betting on horse racing
Fathers spend their time betting on football
Children spend their time opening loot boxes.
I feel like i see the real root of the problem

I don't understand how people gamble away thousands of dollars before realising they fucked up. My biggest fucking gamble was playing on that claw grabbing machine when I was little, ever since I just understood that such "low chance, big reward, 0 skill needed" situations are for retards

What can cause this system to go backwards? Football is built on oil money, in ufc you beat up people, NFL gives players brain damage, f1 is sponsored by oil companies and dictatorships, tough shit. I have understood that gambling is for retards ever since I was 5 when I wasted a pair of dimes on those toy machines where you need to grab the plushie using the claw. After I understood it was rigged I never gambled in my life. It took 1 time for a 5 year old to understand it was bad. If these kids gamble away their money right now on skins, they could have been the same type of people who put homes on mortgages to play some casino

I doubt they would get the same benefits because they lose a part of the revenue

But that is nowhere near relegation, it's just forcing the tier 2 teams to work like crazy

Exactly my thoughts, cs just looks like greener pastures, the only thing stopping you is the skill cap

1.) won't work cause orgs like c9, eg, mibr etc. can't save money while relying on riots paycheck
2.) won't be too popular with franchising teams cause they lose their piece of the pie

Franchising prevents it, the whole point of Franchising is that there is no relegation. This change turns it into a league and that in turn makes it less profitable for investors

and that's why I am curious to see the marathon CS calendar is. 16 events in half a year, you need to be the top of your region to qualify to the major

except there is no reason to take away that money? and then you still have prize pools from 30 events, major stickers, I am sure valve couldn't miss such an opportunity and would release some bundles as well. Just funny how you say this but valve haven't even done 1% of the content riot did with bundles, it's just stickers bringing more money than riot's bundles

would make sense, but then teams in tier 1 will bitch about it, won't they?

and all of these changes don't make franchising franchising

writing them all out
spirit - betboom
vp - winline
Betboom team, aurora, 1win all out due to being owned by bookies
gambit are just dead

all of cis orgs rely on bookmakers, vct bans them, therefore these teams going into vct is useless for the team cuz their main sponsor is banned

which makes vct a TEAM league, where players can be great but still get kicked, if eg weren't safe from getting cut, no one is

you are not finding 2 more orgs from eastern europe bro :D

I didn't get deadlock, but it just looks too raw to me, ngl, like valorant but on crack

if you want the cis playerbase to come, it will not, it's stuck in cs/dota and now deadlock.

I don't even see the problem with the format, there is nothing stopping an org from saving money, e.g. c9, eg, mibr.

by giving it 1 slot for a year

cs dies on 10th event of the year, valorant dies to orgs dropping, both playerbases go to deadlock

Tale of two scenes*, my fucking bad bros, had a brainfart

I am sure everyone here admits that CS and Valorant are in a league of their own when it comes to FPS scenes, however for next year both scenes took vastly different approaches
30+ S-tier events for cs vs 3 S-tier events for valorant. Open circuit based on power rankings vs closed league with only 8 free slots. One has a bookie problem, the other has orgs dropping from tier 2. One has tier 1 teams not really wanting to deal with their closed partnerships ending, the other has tier 1 teams still saving money despite riot giving them injections.
I am sure we won't see any of the games dying next year, but I am sure it would be fun to see one compared to the other

They would support South America, they don't. They would give tier 2 a platform inside the game, they don't. They would boot the teams which just save their money the fuck out of the league on first try, they don't

So you expect a company to spend money on a league they don't give two fucks about?