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good players on a bad team

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nuthoneycheerios

flor

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termtermtermterm
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cloud

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H3ENnZ
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termtermtermterm [#2]

cloud

GX isnt bad rn

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nuthoneycheerios
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H3ENnZ [#3]

GX isnt bad rn

hamborger

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cameran
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cryo, aspas (debtable), demon1

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x_knowitall39_x
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invy and slowly are the posterchild of good player and bad team

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tjabo
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cameran [#5]

cryo, aspas (debtable), demon1

demon1 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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termtermtermterm
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cameran [#5]

cryo, aspas (debtable), demon1

cryo yes, aspas fuck no, and demon0 is mainly the issue due to his inability to do anything after his champs run

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cameran
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tjabo [#7]

demon1 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

what hes good and hes trapped with t0x and cum on his team and a washed 2022 igl who got carried by aspas

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shesh_
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mada and s0m

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efftee
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Minny

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d4rkxgod
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s0m

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harm
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cryo 100T
westside GX
vo0kashu DRG

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catNmouse
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cameran [#9]

what hes good and hes trapped with t0x and cum on his team and a washed 2022 igl who got carried by aspas

WE, yes i mean WE will NOT allow tex slander

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legomaster406
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Oxy C9
Jinggg PRX

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sexwithgiraffes
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akame is prob the safest answer

#17
my-dad-ate-my-toes
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Westside, slowly, heat and UdoTan

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cameran
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catNmouse [#14]

WE, yes i mean WE will NOT allow tex slander

😭

#19
imnothorny
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x_knowitall39_x [#6]

invy and slowly are the posterchild of good player and bad team

why is ts allergic to being good

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Mylotic
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Mada, flor, lukxo, heat, f0rsaken, Kr1stal.

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danii1
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imnothorny [#19]

why is ts allergic to being good

cuz of Jr0my and J0ssiev0sh

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MrHyphon
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Engh

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Alpac4
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Zekken

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Toph_
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legomaster406 [#15]

Oxy C9
Jinggg PRX

Oxy isn't even the best on his team... nor is jinggg

#25
VxpxFX
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C9 OXY because Cloud 9
PRX f0rsakeN/Jinggg because they lack strats
2G spikezin
LOUD luk xo

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temi
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danii1 [#21]

cuz of Jr0my and J0ssiev0sh

invy needs to be saved

#27
Ninjay48
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cameran [#5]

cryo, aspas (debtable), demon1

mibr is most definitely not a bad team what are you on

#28
FrogGrenade
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Why is everyone saying Oxy? Not every team can be a super team you are acting like he is on Furia

#29
nooomy
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H3ENnZ [#3]

GX isnt bad rn

0 wins btw

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Glassy
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heat

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catNmouse
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INVY

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Marii
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termtermtermterm [#8]

cryo yes, aspas fuck no, and demon0 is mainly the issue due to his inability to do anything after his champs run

Flair

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UhhBrandon
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f0rsaken

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Marii
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Slowly invy Lukxo Vookashu Cloud

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H3ENnZ
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nooomy [#29]

0 wins btw

yea cause they are playing against fucking fnatic and they just debuted a new roster

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nooomy
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H3ENnZ [#35]

yea cause they are playing against fucking fnatic and they just debuted a new roster

regardless, you cant exactly say an 0-4 team isnt bad

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hellfire
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cameran [#9]

what hes good and hes trapped with t0x and cum on his team and a washed 2022 igl who got carried by aspas

cameran u can do better than this

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Muratg_7
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Cloud have potential for become almost a Leo level iniatiator.But he has never been in a team that he can show it.
Luk xo & Dgz I dont think we need an explanation
Honorable mentions:Westside,Mada,Invy,Vookashu

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H3ENnZ
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nooomy [#36]

regardless, you cant exactly say an 0-4 team isnt bad

this iteration of GX is not bad how is it hard to understand lol

#40
taint
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nooomy [#36]

regardless, you cant exactly say an 0-4 team isnt bad

this roster is 0-1 against one of the best in EMEA. give it a bit more time

#41
ONSLAUGHT_DV
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cameran [#5]

cryo, aspas (debtable), demon1

100t and mibr are not bad teams

#42
grisx23
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H3ENnZ [#39]

this iteration of GX is not bad how is it hard to understand lol

I think you are just trying to justify Fnatic losing a map to them lol
Its a common psychology thing, you can unconciously start thinking another team is good cause you cant cope with the fact that your team is dogshit for losing map against 0-4 team

#43
H3ENnZ
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grisx23 [#42]

I think you are just trying to justify Fnatic losing a map to them lol
Its a common psychology thing, you can unconciously start thinking another team is good cause you cant cope with the fact that your team is dogshit for losing map against 0-4 team

??? Im not even coping i think both teams played really well today, ara was insane for a tier 2 player who just joined tier one, fnatic IS the best team in emea currently and thats not even because i like fnatic, its just the truth

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Tempest24
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meiy/akame
F0rsaken
flor
heat
Udotan/kr1stal

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gabeeeeee
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sheydos

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Swarleyyy
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Something

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DelusionalAdvisor24
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termtermtermterm [#8]

cryo yes, aspas fuck no, and demon0 is mainly the issue due to his inability to do anything after his champs run

Cryo yes? Bruh

#48
DelusionalAdvisor24
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People saying cryo have no brain

#49
termtermtermterm
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DelusionalAdvisor24 [#47]

Cryo yes? Bruh

name checks out

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ONSLAUGHT_DV
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DelusionalAdvisor24 [#48]

People saying cryo have no brain

thank you brother. Someone with an actual brain that is not a stat merchant

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dobaridoyo
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akame

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aToppHat
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s0m (plz save my king pleaase)

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fiv5Mmmmm
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cameran [#5]

cryo, aspas (debtable), demon1

aspas????

#54
vctscrims
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ninebody or slowly

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RecoilFPS
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#freeinvy

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Alint
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H3ENnZ [#43]

??? Im not even coping i think both teams played really well today, ara was insane for a tier 2 player who just joined tier one, fnatic IS the best team in emea currently and thats not even because i like fnatic, its just the truth

no heretics is LOL

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Alint
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x_knowitall39_x [#6]

invy and slowly are the posterchild of good player and bad team

vo0kashu gaming

#58
Alint
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sexwithgiraffes [#16]

akame is prob the safest answer

valid

#59
maximumPlebus21
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slowly
vookashu
f0rsaken
primmie
xeus
nats (debatable tbh, but bangkok sure)
florescent
mada (being held back from his true potential, kinda similar to 2024 EG with jawgemo)
dgzin & lukxo

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de2eqewe2q
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VxpxFX [#25]

C9 OXY because Cloud 9
PRX f0rsakeN/Jinggg because they lack strats
2G spikezin
LOUD luk xo

imo c9 is looking good they might make internationals.

#61
de2eqewe2q
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d4rkxgod [#12]

s0m

he chose that for himself, FNS's kitten

#62
z12
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Alint [#56]

no heretics is LOL

no they arent 😭 🙏

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Bhrubby
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Sheydos
Nats

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nooomy
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taint [#40]

this roster is 0-1 against one of the best in EMEA. give it a bit more time

im not saying they need to make moves, but objectively you cannot say that an 0-4 team isnt a bad team

there are people in the thread saying that Cryo is a good player on a bad team, and 100T are 3-1, so saying that an 0-4 team is bad is not a stretch

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catNmouse
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maximumPlebus21 [#59]

slowly
vookashu
f0rsaken
primmie
xeus
nats (debatable tbh, but bangkok sure)
florescent
mada (being held back from his true potential, kinda similar to 2024 EG with jawgemo)
dgzin & lukxo

liquid lookin good now tbh

#66
ionlyHave1Zuni
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cameran [#5]

cryo, aspas (debtable), demon1

0 ball knowledge 💔💔💔🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀

#67
Drakath
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Slowly
ninebody
vookashu
kai
F0resaken

#68
fatdaddy
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de2eqewe2q [#60]

imo c9 is looking good they might make internationals.

why, did someone send them an invite?

#69
welikefortniteandvalorant
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nooomy [#36]

regardless, you cant exactly say an 0-4 team isnt bad

Well kru went winless in 2023 and still got champs

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aburnie
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Governor. MY GOAT.

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1One1
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Flor is B tier duelist on D tier team

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orangejuice
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sheydos

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trikecycle
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maximumPlebus21 [#59]

slowly
vookashu
f0rsaken
primmie
xeus
nats (debatable tbh, but bangkok sure)
florescent
mada (being held back from his true potential, kinda similar to 2024 EG with jawgemo)
dgzin & lukxo

Fut and liquid are both good teams but I like this list

#74
DAIH
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harm [#13]

cryo 100T
westside GX
vo0kashu DRG

Westside isn't even the best player on his team

#75
nooomy
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welikefortniteandvalorant [#69]

Well kru went winless in 2023 and still got champs

ok but 2023 pre-LCQ KRU were still bad, just because they improved doesnt mean they werent shit previously

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smallderp
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Udotan

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WjFROST0
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cameran [#5]

cryo, aspas (debtable), demon1

how tf did you just call 100t bad

#78
Aayan
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nooomy [#36]

regardless, you cant exactly say an 0-4 team isnt bad

This team after the changes is 0-1, that’s his point

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potatosakamoto
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Jinggg

#80
nooomy
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Aayan [#78]

This team after the changes is 0-1, that’s his point

so... still winless?

#81
Finchd
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Flor isnt even the best player on that team rn

#82
CHEEEZPUFZEZ
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cameran [#5]

cryo, aspas (debtable), demon1

demon1 is the. worst player on his team

#83
CHEEEZPUFZEZ
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sexwithgiraffes [#16]

akame is prob the safest answer

also meiy?

#84
CHEEEZPUFZEZ
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gabeeeeee [#45]

sheydos

He hasnt gone positive since 2024

#85
lejargon
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NiSMO

#86
serot
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CHEEEZPUFZEZ [#83]

also meiy?

tbh all of DFM besides art are decent players that just need a good coach and IGL to start winning games
gyen has been transitioning from ranked to pro play and looks to finally be showing off his insane mechanical talents
jinboong has been consistently solid for all of the DFM games imo

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zakirnp
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meyi or akame

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SGLastHope
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jinggg

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Burger_brain
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CHEEEZPUFZEZ [#84]

He hasnt gone positive since 2024

eh not really, he has carried them in the past. rn he is being jailed by the org

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penpen
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nooomy [#36]

regardless, you cant exactly say an 0-4 team isnt bad

we see the same w loud tho, where they bring in a new roster n look way better, but they come in and have to play some of the hardest teams in their groups lmao. unlucky timing but they are better than before. plus they had the hardest group anyway

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Astaaaaa
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any prx player would do decent with other teams # savejingforsakensomething

#92
JackZIn99
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Bhrubby [#63]

Sheydos
Nats

liquid arent bad

#93
Effluxi
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grisx23 [#42]

I think you are just trying to justify Fnatic losing a map to them lol
Its a common psychology thing, you can unconciously start thinking another team is good cause you cant cope with the fact that your team is dogshit for losing map against 0-4 team

Don't need to justify shit for heretics it was ascent and they didn't cook even though there's an unbeatable defense comp blocking anybody from picking ascent otherwise.

GX is still dog though. No clue why he's arguing that

#94
Steelcondor
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Finchd [#81]

Flor isnt even the best player on that team rn

She is the best she just need a good team to pop off

#95
Germy
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danii1 [#21]

cuz of Jr0my and J0ssiev0sh

jremy good tho......

#96
callmeyno
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PRIMMIE

#97
gabeeeeee
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CHEEEZPUFZEZ [#84]

He hasnt gone positive since 2024

its kinda hard when his igl and coach are straight up matchfixing at any given time
SOMEONE GIVE HIM SOME HELP

#98
Germy
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legomaster406 [#15]

Oxy C9
Jinggg PRX

bro ive been a fan of jinggg since 2022 but lets be honest he doesnt look good lately, he is good at raze and phoenix, both of which are not meta right now and they need him to role swap which he apparently cannot do

#99
itsFake
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sayf

#100
Germy
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VxpxFX [#25]

C9 OXY because Cloud 9
PRX f0rsakeN/Jinggg because they lack strats
2G spikezin
LOUD luk xo

if ur putting luk xo also put dgzin
Oxy is good but v1c has honestly looked even better then him, and C9 are a good team this year icl. didnt know what to think of the -moose -rossy +mitch +net but its worked out

#101
hunkkz
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legomaster406 [#15]

Oxy C9
Jinggg PRX

J0ngg lmaoooo

#102
hunkkz
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callmeyno [#96]

PRIMMIE

pr0mm0e

#103
PLRoox
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aburnie [#70]

Governor. MY GOAT.

nice joke
nah but to be honest sorry but he doesn't look good

#104
PLRoox
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itsFake [#99]

sayf

as a player he's good
but as igl mid

#105
PLRoox
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Steelcondor [#94]

She is the best she just need a good team to pop off

when she plays good game she's really impactful
but for now she plays mid/bad for me

#106
maximumthehormone
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Finchd [#81]

Flor isnt even the best player on that team rn

yeah idk why people are saying flor when batujnax performed better a lot of matches

#107
danii1
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Germy [#95]

jremy good tho......

there are like 5 other filipino duelists in challengers that are better

#108
Congo1
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Shao

#109
Hydra11
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termtermtermterm [#49]

name checks out

100t is not a bad team

#110
Aayan
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nooomy [#80]

so... still winless?

You’re intentionally missing the point. It’s useless to further talk to you.

Good day

#111
cameran
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CHEEEZPUFZEZ [#82]

demon1 is the. worst player on his team

No thats rossy and kingg

#112
cameran
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WjFROST0 [#77]

how tf did you just call 100t bad

They are

#113
sexocum
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nooomy [#36]

regardless, you cant exactly say an 0-4 team isnt bad

Kru went 0-9 and qualified for champs, what's your point?

#114
localkoolkid
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H3ENnZ [#39]

this iteration of GX is not bad how is it hard to understand lol

https://www.vlr.gg/459840/natus-vincere-vs-giantx-champions-tour-2025-emea-stage-1-w3/?game=207188&tab=overview

#115
nooomy
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sexocum [#113]

Kru went 0-9 and qualified for champs, what's your point?

KRU were shit when they went 0-9 and improved to get to champs that year

#116
nooomy
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Aayan [#110]

You’re intentionally missing the point. It’s useless to further talk to you.

Good day

youre missing the point. No team is good when theyre winless. they may improve to be good, but by your logic there are no shit teams because even teams who cannot win are good

#117
nooomy
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Hydra11 [#109]

100t is not a bad team

the morons in this thread are trying to argue that 0-4 giants are a good team while 3-1 100T are shit, thinking skills are dead

#118
Rev1va1
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grisx23 [#42]

I think you are just trying to justify Fnatic losing a map to them lol
Its a common psychology thing, you can unconciously start thinking another team is good cause you cant cope with the fact that your team is dogshit for losing map against 0-4 team

Not sure if you are able to read but they changed the roster. This is like saying that GenG is still as good as they were at shanghai because they are still the same team. Different roster means different performance. Also calling another team dogshit when you have a KRU flair. 0/8

#119
itisnoah54
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shesh_ [#10]

mada and s0m

free them ong 😭🙏💔

#120
Hydra11
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cameran [#111]

No thats rossy and kingg

cum???

#121
saebr
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Germy [#98]

bro ive been a fan of jinggg since 2022 but lets be honest he doesnt look good lately, he is good at raze and phoenix, both of which are not meta right now and they need him to role swap which he apparently cannot do

Have u watched the games? He's looked the best he has since 2023

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