That's what people were thinking last even and then 2 APAC teams got 2nd and 3rd.

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The issue is Lenne is a recon specialist and has put countless hours into his lineups and timings and he does them well. He's honestly been playing much better but Surf is just an X factor and a vibe bringer.

I think Crws could definitely do well as a recon player and then putting Ban onto the Kayo role even with how insane Crws played on the last map. Put Surf on sentinel, bro is a great anchor whilst ban is great with supportive util.

They improved their aim and they won their map as predicted.

Delusional. PRX are shooting, TALON needs to get into the range ASAP cause we aint winning with this current aim.

Bro, you can dm me and I'll translate your message into comprehensible English.

He's basically saying if TALON wasn't the "Thai representative" and there was no obligation to pick up Thai players, Frost and co probably wouldn't have any Thai players on the roster (I think this is dumb as hell tbf since Thailand is one of the top sub-regions in APAC).

But basically, I think b0i said on stream a while ago that they wanted to go full Thai (or 4 Thai with b0i as the IGL) but when they were trialling, they felt that the ego and mentalities of the players were toxic and egotistical (b0i was also trialling as a player, and he said that one player didn't even know any lineups which should be the bare minimum if you're trialling for a T1 team).

I personally think Jemkin edges him out in that department.

Just saw a thread about Benkai (If he is indeed booted from GE). He was an IGL of PRX and although it's been a long time now, perhaps his experience in calling could aid the team. Another idea I had was Xeta, but he's retired now and I'm not sure if he has enlisted yet nor if he has the passion to play atm but I feel like he would slot in quite nicely and also serve as an interim translator for Zest + already lives in Korea.

Benkai (SG): Sentinel/IGL
sScary (TH): Controller
Zest (KR): Recon/Viper
garnetS (TH): Duelist
JayH(SG), retlA (SG), Xeta (IGL, KR)

Just some ideas.

BLEED GarnetS is the biggest possible shout. His English is decent as well and I've been pushing for this roster move all season. Governor is similar to garnetS and meshes well with ban. I believe garnetS already trialed for TALON but he didn't like Frost's attitude (I guess it was vice versa too).

Keep RUSS and LF and perhaps Benkai. Their macro game looks decent and RUSS has been shooting decently I can't lie.

Wait, the win today was with Estrella?, I thought xferro was IGL.

Honestly, I think that sScary and Crazyguy can squash the beef. Both are professionals, Crazyguy has been around a long time while sScary is very professional and results based and also they qualified to Tier 1 together for god sake. Perhaps under leadership from a new coach, things will look better. sScary has trialed the IGL role and failed, so if his pre-existing mindset was "I can do better" it has definitely been shattered now and perhaps he'd be more open to criticism and sharing ideas.

Again, we're outsiders, we don't know how deep the issues lie. Personally, I think while Crazyguy isn't an outstanding IGL, he is definitely a vibe booster and motivational and I like him personally. If the issues lies moreso with Yay, then I'm glad and from the few clips of his watch party it does seem that way a little more.

Again, if any Viet fans don't know, sScary has never explicitly shit talked or bad mouthed any of his teammates including Crazyguy and Egoist, he states matter-of-factly that there were internal issues of the team where an attempt was made to be fixed but it didn't work out.

Riza is decent but doesnt his roles conflict with Zest who is a new signing? I don't think they'd drop Zest unless he decides to leave on his own accord. I already posted on reddit but a roster I have in mind. Also, how is YesICan's English? I was decently impressed when I saw FANCY play in Ascension and YesICan was the IGL I think and he seemed to be putting up numbers too. Perhaps he's inexperienced but could be worth a try? I don't know if they'd manage to get any Thai IGLs who speak good English (Perhaps PTC could work, but he is doing well on FULLSENSE).

sScary: Controller
Zest: Recon/Viper
garnetS: Duelist
Egoist: Sentinel
Flex IGL (Could be imported).
Deryeon (6th man, double duelist if required)

Honestly, Jessi's IGLing seems solid and he seems to be shooting decently for the most part (we don't talk about that game)
NDG has been improving but he still looks unconfident a lot of the time and whiffs easy shots but his lurks on sunset were very good.

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Is something I'd start with and then perhaps a new youngster you can slowly phase in.

Don't disrespect the GOAT.

sScary scouted, crafted and molded Surf from the ranked ladder, the real fix for BLEED is to +Surf and re-unite the lad with his beloved brother or return sScary to TALON though JItboys is cooking too hard on this smokes role I can't lie (But he cooks on every role cause he's just the fucking best).

That will change once cloning exists and we can get a team of 5 forsaken's. World beaters, world dominators, world destroyers.

1. Forsak3n (Bro is just good at everything)
2. Aspas (Duelist GOAT)
3. Johnqt (IGL that can absolutely frag)

He's good. Might need an attitude check as with many young Thai players but I believe that if he is put on a team with experienced players cough cough TALON ~ insane things will happen.

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Governor, Jitboys and Ban need to lock in and play their best game. Crws has to at least counter-strat and call good midrounds if they want to win. Surf, my boy looks lost half the time, but he's improving.

Overall, team has potential but biggest issues lie within communication and language barriers within the team.

But who actually cares about EMEA though?

TLN tops the group, I was being generous only considering them top 5, the reality is they are TOP 1. The loss they took against GEN.G and the close games they had were just for dramatic effect. I'll see you in the playoffs buddy.

aint nuttin to be happy about.

I don't see a problem with that.

If DFM doesn't troll and play scared like they did yesterday, DFM can beat GE just as easy ~ really depends on who are the better shooters on the day. Both have decent strats and reads on the game but I do feel like DFM's comms might be a little smoother since there isn't a language barrier. Either way, I think that game will be close, DFM has time to fix their shit and GE are heating up these past 2 weeks and honestly should've beat TALON before they could get their momentum on.

I've been looking at the Pacific groups and while unlikely, what happens if only 1-2 teams in a group meet the minimum requirements of 2 wins. Does the next best team still get to progress or is it the 4th best from the other group? Just curious how this works.

That also works.

• Zest/sScary share IGL duties, pull a PRX whereby there is main callers but no particular set IGL but I think distributing between the two is beneficials since both these dudes are experienced and have game knowledge.

• Yay plays the perma Sentinel role and flexes onto Jett/Chamber when needed

• Retla moves back to his comfort flash/Initiator role.

• Zest stays on Recon or plays Viper when double controller is needed (If Sova map, put this damn guy on Sova and retlA can fill Viper on those maps).

• Deryeon goes to primary duelist and plays Jett/Raze/Neon or whatever the team needs. Bro is sometimes missing a brain but he can still frag and is a selfless player.

Basically just copy GEN.G and the way their roles/playstyle works out. Even the most aggressive duelists like Meteor (GENG) and Surf (TLN) have been moved to the sentinel role and I think Yay has always had this patient playstyle so he'll slot in pretty quickly.

Zest (Recon/Viper)
Yay (Sentinel/Jett)
Deryeon (Duelist)
Retla (Initiator)
sScary (Controller)

No.

Hard to hype this clownfest tbf. I know that QUACK can get really passionate on the intense games and on his good days is absolutely a good caster.

Hard agree if they do want to keep him that's the role he should be put on otherwise just get some other damn players and make him a 6th or drop him entirely.

Exactly, just put DERYEON on RAZE and make Yay play Sentinel. Bro plays like a turtle anyway so just let him run with a new role. It's not like hes dumb either just his util timings are ass but perhaps his lurk timings are still good.

So do u think crazyguy can make good calls when the atmosphere is shit? When his teammates never listen to him and play on their own becuz of their egos? crazyguy calling was god-like in T2 because of juicy nephh and deryeon always believe in him

Nam stays mad.

They need a new coach/coaching staff. LEGIJA looks like he's been doing nothing all season long since BLEED looks the damn same. Bring some fresh ideas or something, like wtf?

sScary is fragging but his mid-rounding is getting read like a book. He's not baiting today and perhaps because the team chemistry has improved a little and he believes in his teammates but gahd damn they choke like hell. This team literally looks like they are on different planets at times with their comms. Feels like they were thrown into ranked together.

The roster needs to blow up and the org needs to decide on a direction to take. sScary and Zest are absolutely star players they should aim to keep but that comes with the trade off of a possible language barrier ~ but if sScary steps down as IGL and gives it to someone proficient then things might look different. If they want to keep their Singaporean identity then they should kick sScary and sign Egoist back and some other up and coming Singaporeans.

Well, they aren't? lol. Speak with facts not feelings buddy. They look ass with both iterations but CRAZYGUY won Ascension against T2 teams and a very different roster. Do I think he deserves a chance to prove himself again especially after working his ass off for Ascension? Absolutely! But if you have conflicting interests the decision is either to drop CRAZYGUY or drop SSCARY so choose your poison. Who's to say that CRAZYGUY didn't ask for sScary and Yay to be dropped instead? You listen to one side and make assumptions.

That's just all of APAC though, our region is like this as a whole. Full of young, egotistical kids who found their talents in a newfound game. This is definitely not a Thai-exclusive issue either so don't make it out like that. The whole region is fucked.

I am not denying toxic mentalities nor egotistical players. I am simply saying that the level of play in the Thai T2 scene is not bad and the two current top teams atm FS and MiTH actually play a smart and methodical game.

Honestly, as a Thai, I can see it and agree with most points he made. The mechanical skill is there no doubt but with that comes the ego and stubborn-ness and also downright stupid plays. I think this may also be similar in other Southeast Asian countries where this mindset is prevalent in the gaming sphere. There is also a culture of seniority as with most Asian countries, you have to listen to the "eldest" or most experienced. Anyone could see that Jitboys was by far the best player and also a very smart one at that regardless of his mechanic

I think emotions need to managed and the toxic environment was harbored due to successive losses and having no clear point to blame. Perhaps b0i is too direct and cares only about facts not feelings which affected the players and while I don't think b0i is an insane coach nor player, he still comes from a successful region and has played with top players with top mentalities and knows that a certain professional standard must be held. I think the Thai mindset is also of "Who are you to come in here from NA and boss us around" and then people just refuse to listen. There is no use shitting on people and calling them stupid, if you disagree with how they played civil discussions should be held.

Do you even watch the Thai scene? Just wait till Ascension.

This team has a language barrier and that's painfully obvious. The fundamentals are just ass and when things get rough they're just bashing their heads against a wall. It's time for TALON to become THAILON again. Both Ban and Governor are honestly good individually but something isn't clicking.

sScary it's time to come home. You've sabotaged the competition just as planned, now TALON are guaranteed to not place 11th right?

Thai players in League (Yes)
Viet players in League (No)

They'll pick them up once they advance deep and show stability.

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sScary did not throw shade or hint anything towards other players. He said that their was an issue with team chemistry and that he would transition to the IGL role. He said the whole team looked shaky and played far below the potential. Nowhere did he explicitly call out or hint towards anyone else. Seems like CRAZYGUY is throwing a tantrum on his streams/social media and getting fanboys to boycott his ex teammates.

That's what I don't get. Teammates beef and one of them gets kicked ~ not really a snake move imo.

The org has to pick between sScary or Crazyguy and they made their choice.

Dodonut my Thai qween

There is clashing egos on both sides. Ultimately BLEED picked the player with more Tier 1 Valorant Experience. If you listen to one side only, then you will form a one-sided opinion. Neither side will admit fault and both will claim eachother have egos. That being said, sScary has not explicitly said anything whereas crazyguy has hinted heavily towards the other party. One way or the other, one of the parties have to be removed when the disagreements are unsolvable.

He aint playing if sScary is on the team that's for sure.

sssssssScary fr. However, ultimately if the team chemistry isn't there, something has to change and its either sScary/Yay or Crazyguy/Egoist it seems and I guess management ultimately had to make the tough choice. It's best they do something early so they still have time to iron things out but now sScary has all the pressure along with not speaking fluent English and trying to IGL along with a new Korean addition who also speaks very basic English. This team is either gonna be absolutely amazing or flop so hard.

sScary goes back to TALON and pulls the greatest money heist in history.