As a Thai person. If it's not spicy, it's not edible.
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As a Thai person. If it's not spicy, it's not edible.
As a Thai person. If it's not spicy, it's not edible.
He has pop off games but when you watch him consistently his whiffs and FDs on the lurk just become too apparent, he is far too inconsistent and a burden with the already inconsistent Crws.
Lots of talented Thais can co-IGL, if they manage to poach Laz from FS they have a solid IGL with decent macro and game understanding and shooter on their hands. Don't feed on the Frost ban copium, I'm sure ban is a good co-igl and calm in the team but his other aspects make him lack too much. They might be worse in the beginning, but they have some time to practice and there will undoubtedly be a higher ceiling with better mechanical players.
You remove Jitboys and we have problems. Arguably the best and most consistent TALON player for these past 2 seasons and only shown improvements.
Z11 looked lost on map 1 and map 2 was just a series of the worst chokes imaginable despite being the better team. Such an off day for Z11 that ended up costing them. Still though, this team has a bright future and eyes will be on them.
Kudos to JA tho, what a 2nd map for him to basically win the game for his team. His lurk timings were impeccable.
Something something, I only watch NA VALORANT and apparently I'm blind when watching as well so I'm literally making this list off audio cues I heard from the casters.
TALON serial chokers regardless of the main or academy team xD.
Keiko ~ my Thai-British brother, I will support you and the pacific teams, make me proud!
Sad for Thai fans but hopefully Frost realises now that some changes need to be made. Especially with how disastrous the GENG game was simply because his team wasn't good enough. There was no unlucky, there was no major issues with the gameplay, just pure difference.
If you're a Pacific fan, then cheer for Pacific man! Let's get another Trophy in Asia for Asia!
They don't need to be Primmie's level ~ they just need to be better than ban and governor of which Thailand has in abundance but we lack good coaches and if the team were to go full Thai, would Frost actually stay and workaround the language barrier?
It's tough being a TALON fan... how do we look so good half the time yet completely shit the bed the other half.
Will roster changes fix us? idk but we're just serial chokers at this point unable to perform when it matters most yet our gameplay doesn't look bad ~ we literally just got out-aimed today and it just spiraled.
Bad game mechanics wise from TALON, overall gameplay was decent still. Mental reset and winnable.
People never learn lmao. Just wait till they actually face off to make assumptions. Perhaps the chaotic playstyle only exists cuz the two teams are forcing this playstyle. Who's to say NA teams or EU teams won't be forced into this style when matched up. Of course, I think G2 and VIT look hella strong but we don't know until they play.
TALON Jr (aka TALON academy) are playing with the blue lock roster ~ 5 mechanical duelists mains have been converted into a proper team. Primmie's close friend Snappy is also playing.
If you enjoy insane mechanics and chaotic games, I encourage you to watch (despite it being on SOOP). If you enjoy the games, I also encourage you to watch Z11 after whom are another mechanically insane Thai team and remind me of old PRX somewhat. It's Tier 2, there is bound to be mistakes, but still fun games regardless.
I don't think T1 makes it, they look a little lost and disjointed at times.
DRX looks better and GENG just has the Munchkin X factor (which is insane but what an IGL Munchkin has transformed into from the days of Crazy Raccoons and T1)
I'm Thai but it's clear that KR is better than most teams in SEA atm. That's not saying the general mechanics and talent is better but they're LITERALLY just better teams in terms of macro, calling and strats. It is what it is. The lines are more blurred in Tier 2 of course but that's cause KR has like 4 teams already in Tier 1 with a player base arguably smaller than many sub-regions in APAC let alone the whole of SEA. We do not need foreign imports, we need foreign coaches to be integrated with local coaches which can then be passed down to the IGL and teammates. Once the whole team develops better fundamentals and understanding, APAC will literally be the most competitive region.
Mechanically, I think any sub-region in SEA has enough talents to compete at a tier 1 level and I'm gonna be biased and say that Thailand could at least have 3 rosters with the mechanical skill to compete at the tier 1 level and frag out. I also don't like recycle old guards who are past their prime, pick up the new, young talents and integrate them with a veteran who can provide leadership in the team. Now, what we lack generally is adaptability and true game understanding, a lot of SEA teams are always behind in the meta (we should be forcing Tejo by now and abuse the broken shit while we can!). Neon is nerfed yet Nongshim still force it because they know that's their strong suit and adapt their entire game plan around it.
KR has innovative coaches who cook (with comps and roles that generally make sense) and players usually have a good understanding of the game and don't overheat as well as solid IGLs. I think this is what distinguishes them the most and allows them to adapt and perform on the premier stage.
Also, for those Plat Chat enjoyers or anyone with a Western perspective, I encourage you to watch Tier 2 in APAC, KR and JP because those guys have no idea what goes on in this region. They know of T2 talents in other regions but since APAC is so large and dispersed, so many names go unheard of and are doubted almost immediately so they just want to recycle the same talents over and over. What KR has done well is bring up their Tier 2 players from academies and scouting and immediately integrating them into lineups so they're forced to 'grow up' and become a tier 1 player. This aggressive tactic may mean mediocre results at first (with exceptions) but ultimately it unlocks a whole new level of gameplay and mechanics.
You could make an argument that the environment is favourable to Koreans with the league being based in Korea allowing for Tier 2 and Tier 1 Korean teams to scrim openly as well as Korean teams normally being quite strict on having full Korean rosters to maintain synergy with players and coaches.
Primmie will cook if he's not on duelist. He is not overrated, he is perfectly rated as a mechanical demon of which he is. Few other players have as insane crosshair placement and adjustments as him. I'm not saying he's the best or smartest player, but mechanically he is one of the best let's be fucking real now. I certainly think Primmie should not be on the duelist role as that doesn't suit his playstyle and both TALON and Primmie have realised this and are keeping him off duelist.
I also just believe Crws (as an IGL) and Jitboys (as an anchor controller) are just too underrated. I literally think Jitboys has the Mako-esque vibe and outplays if you just watch the dude play. Primmie joins and everyone has eyes on him but no one respects the other players like they should.
Why the fuck would we sign PatrickWHO????? There's at least 5 other star duelists in Thailand waiting to be picked up. Thai FPS mechanics are top in the region (SEA) across multiple games with the only competition being Indonesia who have obviously done well in both VALORANT and CSGO.
The only reason we have 2 'imports' (technically ban is not an import) rn is cause the coach trusts them and believes they're coachable. They're by no means the best mechanically skilled players out there.
For a region like India, perhaps the mechanics are lacking but mechanically APAC is still top 1/2. Now if you brought in an American or European IGL as they tried with Russ, that might make a lot of sense.
TALON miracle run to play in front of the home crowd and win it all.
one can dream...
DRX takes the other spot cause Freeing Tejo is the fucking truth.
I just think the scale of reference is too small. One bad year from an all Thai roster (that had internal issues and struggled to adapt to the brand new franchise format and truly become 'professional') when in actuality, the OG Talon i.e. X10 roster was always a top contender in Pacific. Weaker than DRX and PRX, but still in the top 3/4.
It's not just results though, ban has consistently had more terrible games than good ones and it's all about the cost analysis, is the trade off of more mid-rounding and slightly less burden on Crws the better trade than finding a very mechanically talented youngster who might not contribute as much to overall comms but frags heavily and anchors his role well. To me, I think with the case of Primmie, if you indeed just win gunfights, you do win games and Frost's overall track record of transforming players into smarter, more disciplined players is indeed working well so why limit yourself to someone who's mechanics aren't where they should be and hasn't shown improvement even since his T1 days.
let us reserve our judgement if TALON do indeed fall short of Kickoff at the very least.
I still maintain that if you do not bench Crws, give him another shot on a Thai roster, and he will cook in frags once more.
Team Secret.
Oh and TALON cause if I'm ever confident in them winning, they fall short but when I lack hope, they show the fuck up.
Bro is the most dyslexic, illiterate American I've ever seen. WHAT THE FUCK did you type out? I'm tweaking reading this.
Don't you dare talk about my goat Crws in this manner, also fuck did Jovi do to warrant this, he literally just got here lmfao.
Crws is Thai and one of the best IGLs in the scene, it just so happens he also works a side job as a translator and analyst.
Listen, Zeus had a fuck it we ball moment and decided since the team environment was fucked anyway, why not try some dumb shit. The whole 6th man rotation shit fucked them especially when they kept starting a player who wasn't even playing VALORANT competitive in over a year.
No hate pati, I love you bro.
Trust me I understand to a decent degree and I consider myself a pretty rational, and I've watched Crw's initial streams where he talked about the decisions and such. First things first, Frost is an American coach and that means in order to fully understand the comms, the team would likely have to speak English (sure, are there workarounds to this? absolutely, but they all required much more work and time i.e. translating through an AC or reviewing VODS with a translator).
Secondly, Frost is a very polarising coach with strong self belief which pretty much comes across as arrogance (whether he is in the right or wrong, I cannot judge aside from results). Thai people are generally more reserved, quiet and not outlandish and may feel intimidated or discontent with Frost's coaching style ~ lets not forget that both Primmie and Surf weren't originally signed with the team and originally this team only had 2 Thai players from the old core. A mechanical demon like Primmie who was tearing it up in ranked didn't sign with TALON because he disliked Frost and only eventually signed because Crws basically begged him to join, spoke to his parents personally and convinced him (and of course his close buddy Jitboys was on the roster). I imagine many of the other tryouts players might have felt the same. Also, Frost wasn't even considered picking up Primmie until Crws eventually convinced him and vouched for him HEAVILY and look how he's turned out ~ sometimes Frost may lack oversight and CAN be proven wrong. Also, Lenne was outright bad and Frost put him on the IGL role and as soon as they made the switch to Crws, they looked better and how quickly they dropped lenne after supposedly doing well enough in tryouts to be picked up (probably because he's a native English speaker?). I also think Crws was super low confidence after such a shit season that he was willing to role with anything that the new coach suggested (especially someone like Frost) and only after a while did the dynamic shift to Crws challenging and debating Frost over decisions.
Thirdly, even with these 2 imports players, the throws are still recurring and this core has been together for over a year now. Tell me why with a Thai roster within a year you couldn't iron out these issues just as well; and the kicker? who on the roster is the most prone to overheats and throws? their two imports ESPECIALLY ban ~ how many FD does ban have due to him over-relying on his reads on enemy positions and just getting punished for free. Instead of space making, he is space depleting since his team loses map control and is forced to either storm a site or re-clear costing time and resources.
Also, this does not even talk about the inconsistencies in performance. A team is not gonna win when they have 2 players dropping stinkers and the two Thai players (not IGLing) being the most consistent performers. Look at how Jitboys (a mechanical demon) has turned into an insane anchor and smart controller player, how Crws has become a true leader and IGL and generally has good macro and midround calls. I think if Frost was willing to put in the time and effort to indeed mold these mechanically gifted players, the heights of this team would be unmatched. Game sense and discpline can be instilled but mechanics is basically just the win factor at the end of the day and that can only come from the player themselves and to me, I think Thailand is literally the Turkey of APAC in regards to cracked aimers. To me, I think the 3 week trial period TALON gave was way too short and compact to accurately form an expert evaluation especially when so many factors must be adjusted to i.e. a foreign coach, added pressure of a contract (most players are part timers or not paid a Tier 1 salary) ~ so many scrims and tryouts packed into a day is not gonna yield great results from the get go and how well do you expect a plug and play team to perform.
As I've said numerous times, I think Gov works fine on his role but there are better players and the ban-governor duo is basically a package deal. Ban to me is just not cut out to be a starter in my books and from the outside looking in, does not offer anything overly valuable to the team or at least I believe there is a Thai player equivalent that could fulfill his role just as well if Frost could secure a deal.
Of course, with all this being said, results are what matters the most but teams are here to win not be in the general vicinity. If TALON can indeed be a consistent performer, qualify for all masters events and do well in Champions then I think roster changes do not need to be made, but if they fail to do so and ban, governor still put up mediocre performances, then I will absolutely vouch further for a full Thai roster. Crws does too much for this team that I cannot critique his performance too harshly. Crws has also openly stated numerous times that he is the one doing the mid-rounding and macro (case and point yesterday's interview where he is asked how they adapted to NS' playstyle and he said that he waited to see their executes and how they played and called adaptations accordingly).
Also, I do not think that FULL SENSE is the best Thai roster that can be assembled, as a coach or assistant coach I would definitely be watching the current SEA challengers as well as ranked looking for possible replacements that can be poached from these T2 teams. There's barely any contract jails since most Thai orgs have exited VALORANT so there really is no excuse not to give in another go. Also, perhaps with added pressure of being replaced, the existing players may feel the need to grind and work on their mechanics to maintain their spot in the roster. With a top 4 finish at champs and supposed good results in scrims, I was not surprised nor disappointed when they didn't make any roster changes at the start of the year but I will be disappointed if they indeed do not qualify and perform consistently average and still refuse to make changes. I do not want a PRX situation except we don't have the same accolades or former glory as PRX to reminisce to.
I think the gap isn't big enough to warrant this yet. Plus, it's very early in the season and some teams make some questionable decisions cough cough Team Secret. In English speaking orgs and players speaking a 2nd or 3rd language, I think it takes much more time to form that cohesion that you naturally have an advantage with when having a full mono-language speaking team i.e. The Korean teams. TALON and RRQ both look very good (RRQ played very close series with both GENG and NONGSHIM) and TALON is still in the running after a 'close' loss to T1 and consecutive wins.
Of course, Korea has many demons but what really sets them apart is the coaching and the teamwork and their ability to seamlessly slot new players into a system and get it working almost instantly. Trades are usually there, players generally don't overheat unless you're Dambi and of course some sick strats are cooked up. I think after Stage 1 roles around a more decisive conclusion can be made but I have faith in the SEA teams this year. On paper, most of the rosters look solid and funnily enough, I'm most worried about the stagnant PRX. GE look improved, DFM look improved, Boom look like they can do actual damage despite being the 2nd place ascension team while RRQ and TALON are genuinely impressive when things go right. ZETA, PRX and TS look liked they've regressed but I think the core rosters are more than capable of competing and something in the compositions/comms/playstyle must be altered.
I exclusively listen to Thai music at this point. Mainly Thai R&B and indie but also Thai rock/pop too. Give some artists a listen if you ever get the chance. Occasionally listen to K-POP (stan KISSOFLIFE and just perfect that they then make a song for VALORANT though I'm not a big fan of SUPERPOWER) and moreso J-POP but honestly rarely listen to Western music much anymore though I'm a casual music listener anyway, I just plug and play the Spotify radio if I ever feel like listening to a particular artist/genre and it generally gives me songs I enjoy.
If y'all like any particular genre or artists I could then give some Thai music equivalents or at least try my best to. The music scene isn't as big as the likes of Japan or Korea but there are some genuinely good artists and it makes it easier to follow as well as obtain merchandise. These days I went down a rabbit hole of underground Thai rock artists and found some gems I enjoy. These are some of the songs I've been really enjoying recently. Of course, they're in Thai, so you won't understand but I hope you enjoy regardless (sidenote: I'm not a musician, I only play a very basic piano but I just enjoy what I think sounds good to me).
Incacerous - เข็ด (No More)
OVERHEAT - หลอกหลอน
Under the trees - ร่วงโรย
TEN FEET TALL - 1000
I just think Crws also plays a similar role to Ban for the young Thai players and seems a bit redundant to have both when they are both so inconsistent. Crws is the primary IGL so losing him would be detrimental but what if ban stepped back onto the bench, still coaching and mentored the players but they brought in a younger, mechanical player or as I've mentioned and praised in other threads and comments, Laz from Full Sense who is the current IGL but has the mechanics to maintain his performance.
Laz is currently on FS after they dropped players and picked up the MiTH core but they look very shaky imo. FS picked up another controller player and shifted their already VERY solid smokes player onto the flex role and his impact just hasn't been the same. I think these changes were also so last minute before challengers that they look really not in sync.
Keep your eyes on Z11 and TALON Academy. TLN Academy is a team of 5 duelists brought together to form a mechanical demon team. They just beat Z11 who were on a hot-streaker all the way from open quals and that was a hella fun watch (check out the vod for this game, not the cleanest or best, but very fun). TALON academy look very disjointed at times and overheat, but they're a new team with players filling new roles and every game I've watched so far, they've gotten better and better with util usage, teamplay and timings though I think their gameplans are still very, very one dimensional and rely heavily on winning trades and mechanics.
Z11 are an open qualifier team and composed of ex Valee Thai players. They use rep the streamer team name Z11 but are essentially part timers. They look like a more unpolished PRX but have shown tremendous potential and honestly, I had only heard of endoist prior to watching them earlier this year and there is a lot of hidden talents on this roster that I can't wait to see more of.
Yes. Endoist is the best choice and well balanced.
Snappy overheats way too much and still very much plays like a ranked demon. Kadoom doesn't have as much flexibility. I think all 3 are still solid and deserve a chance on top teams.
Everyone always overlooks Jitboys. Bro rarely has bad games but because Primmie is now on this roster, all eyes are always on him.
Another one is Forsaken, guy is always solid in all roles he plays and is still a mechanical demon.
PRX look lost bro. Just admit it, TALON looks better at the moment. Not to say PRX can't wake up and return to form, but current form PRX is just ass cheeks. RRQ is better than PRX at the moment but struggled with a tough bracket.
I do not understand the frost replacement people and I think this dude is just baiting 100% as a non Thai
Thai people aren't delusional, if the team is doing well obviously something is working. Trust me, when TALON was losing all games 2 years ago, Thai people were shitting on them as well. Thai people are Thai player's harshest critics but also biggest supporters. If TALON makes it to Bangkok, it will be poetic and will reignite the fanbase I'm sure.
Just objectively speaking though, ban is way too inconsistent to be on the roster if he is not the IGL. Governor is good, has a lot of bad games but also a lot of good ones and plays his duelist role well ~ his performance just depends on the rest of the team and how well they manage to send him into site basically.
He is ban but better. Good game understanding, smart and a perfect replacement for the role ban plays on TALON. His plant set-ups are very good and don't forget he is also IGLing for MiTH (and currently FS) so he is balancing a lot. If he could swap over to solely focusing on his aim he is indeed a very good anchor. Ban fucks up his util and overheats all the time which is not what you need from a site anchor.
Of course, if you think Crws can handle a team of rookies or less experience players solo, then I could also shift Primmie onto the hard sentinel role and then pick up a talented flex from a Thai team like Killua (part of Primmie/Jitboys crew where they are all mechanical demons) or Fontuz/K1wsy but I think Primmie still needs more experience on the sentinel role since his util timings are a little questionable.
People just feel betrayed that the supposed Thai rep isn't a full Thai team (People were already questioning TALON (a HK org) taking the Thai spot but since they signed all Thai players and have a significant presence with Thai players on other game titles, they support them). The mindset is always, if we're not winning with an international team, why not just promote Thai players on the international stage instead since the result is the same.
The latter issue is THERE IS insanely talented players that just need to be picked up. Keep in mind, the first year TALON roster was the X10 core + garnetS + Patiphan. The coaching staff and decision making looked a mess and the stress definitely caught up to the whole team and caused riffs between the players. That was a solid team on paper but there was just too much mismanagement and a lack of discipline + the whole 6 man fiasco and incorportating Pati who wasn't even playing the game for a year.
The point is from the fans perspective, these talented rookies never even got the chance to play on the main stage ~ we don't know of trials or behind the scenes so the main stage is all we have to go off. I think the coaching staff has made a tremendous impact on all the players especially Crws and Jitboys who have become very solid in their own roles as an IGL and Controller respectively. I think the international roster forces the team to comm in English which allows for Frost to listen in and coach but with a full Thai team, they would of course prefer to comm mostly in English and therefore Frost would not be able to listen in.
In my ideal world, I like Frost and his ideas for the game (his personality is brash and egoistic, but clearly it's working somewhat and sometimes you need personality). I wish I could have a Frost combination with a Thai AC/Stage coach who could takeover on the stage and discuss with Frost during the game while in timeouts everything would be relayed to the Thai players in Thai.
Mechanically Thailand is one of the best in SEA and perhaps only Indonesia can rival them. I think that was definitely the case early on but now there's like 9 Indonesians across 3 different teams in the league which is far more than the 3 Thais in TALON so who knows at this point. Regardless, mechanics isn't an issue in SEA and that's been apparent but what we lack is discipline, role-understanding and the game sense you need for the top level. I believe these can be molded into players with the proper coaching staff and vod-reviews so that the bad habits can be corrected.
Perhaps that is the case, I do not know the full details but there's no Thai orgs left LOL. Full sense, NKT and AAA are the only notable orgs left in the scene so there are a bunch of talented free agents left over. Heck, look at Z11 competing in the SEA Split 1 now, they're a free agent team literally just repping the name of a streamer org. All part-timers yet mechanical demons.
Nothing wrong with Governor imo, he's talented and plays his role well. Sure, there may be other players better than him but I think he's developed into a very solid duelist. Good movement, crispy aim mostly, and fearlessness.
Ban has good games but his overheats when he's too confident on his own reads costs him so dearly. He literally reminds me of foxz. Smart player, occasional pop offs but the overheats cost the teams rounds.
Understanding is a lot easier than speaking. Trust me, the Thai boys can understand a lot but it may be difficult to convey it back if they have an idea. That being said, I think we're downplaying the ability of the Thai players to speak English and they will understand most comms unless it is spoken in a super fast or complex manner.
Did Endoist reject TALON main roster or academy? Primmie did the same initially but look at him now. I think if TALON can promise a stable income/future for at least a year and he can pause any ongoing affairs like studies for just 1 year, then I think he will be more than willing to come. TALON is not a rich org, but I'm sure they can shell out a little more to bring in a superstar.
I still think ban is too inconsistent to be a starter on this roster along side with Crws. I don't hate him or think he brings no value but I think as a 6th man or assistant coach would do wonders. He always has those pop-off games that just makes you doubt the decision on replacing him but I think Crws has that same factor and it's too volatile to have both.
Time and time again Crws has shown his veteran experience on the IGL role and I've always been a believer in him remaining on the roster ~ our Thai FNS but always has the chance to come alive. I like Frost and with the new AC, TALON looks even better when they play how they actually want to play. Primmie off duelist is a no brainer, he's just too good in the clutch and trade situations. I always liked Governor and my only shout for replacing him is due to a language barrier, but if the team can comm in English for him or if he learns passable Thai, he's good enough mechanically to be our duelist but that's not to say he can't be replaced with equally talented Thai players.
If I had the choice to trial a team, it would be as follows (I think this team can flex roles accordingly and play many different agent comps)
Laz - Sentinel/Flex (ban 1:1 replacement but may not be able to flex duelist) ~ Smart player, good set-ups, can co-igl with Crws to reduce the workload.
Crws - IGL/Recon
Primmie - Sentinel/Flex
Endoist - Duelist (Amazing mechanics on all duelist, willingness to entry regardless of situation)
Jitboys - Controller (My anchor and always consistent)
I still think the current TALON is doing well, I don't really hate on the players mechanics but I just think there is always a slight comms hinderance that affects them but when they're locked in, they look good just like today. Their academy team looks mechanically very, very stacked but with need more time to develop into strong players on new roles (5 duelist strategy working lol). I just think Frost is too valuable as a coach right now to replace, he is creative, TALON knows their weaknesses so they try to adapt to a playstyle that works for them and I think that's admirable. Just when it goes wrong, it looks HORRIBLY wrong.
Honestly though, I don't think T1 is Top 1 KR atm.
Though praying for the stars to allign and Crws/ban have a masterful performance then TLN is actually #1 PACIFIC and it ain't even close.
The Korean teams have Korean rosters so there is no reason why it shouldn't work. I think a reshuffling is long overdue and some serious superteams should be made. T1 struggled last year with an international roster despite having talents yet look at them now.
Imagine an Indonesian team that could perhaps poach Forsaken and Mindfreak
Imagine TALON with a full Thai roster with Crws on the coaching role providing guidance to younger players. If they could somehow keep Frost as HC but have Crws as the stage coach interpreting comms what would that look like? I'm sure these orgs consider it but as an outsider all I can do is sit and speculate what ifs. They may have trialed it, who knows, I just know I haven't seen it on stage and the team still looks shaky.
I was meaning to write about RRQ, I was most impressed with them honestly. I think they're the best SEA team at the moment.
I don't actually know 100% since I've literally never tuned into his SOOP stream but I believe all the streamers originally signed exclusive deals to stream on SOOP and also included several top Thai streamers outside of VALORANT (since I believe SOOP has chosen Thailand to be the main hub for SOOP and I believe a whole lot of backend/production stuff is indeed Thai based though I'm not 100% on that). I do believe his exclusive contract might have ended considering I see him streaming on Twitch nowadays (though far, far from the reach he had in 2022/early 2023). Initially, when he first switched, he did have facecam-only muted streams on Youtube and Twitch redirecting viewers to SOOP so something has definitely changed whether the deal has extended or been re-established with different criteria I do not know. It just shows though, his comeback to Twitch and he's only averaging a few thousand viewers each live ~ smaller VALORANT creators average even less. So even with the supposed top Thai VALORANT streamer returning to Twitch, this is all we can average on PACIFIC Watch Parties so idk where we're supposed to pull the hype back from perhaps only when TALON qualify for a Masters or god forbid, manage to win a major event).
I don't even know exactly when the deals went through though if I remember it was sometime in 2024, though even before this, Thai Challengers 2024 Split 1 was being streamed exclusively on AfreecaTV (the precursor to SOOP) so it was almost inevitable that something was gonna happen and people were already pissed at having to watch on a Korean streaming platform with LITERALLY no Thai users other than those interested in Korean streamers/culture I guess.
THAI people watch streams on Youtube, FB and to a lesser extent Twitch (those with PCs will be familiar but those on mobile/console may be more accustomed to YT and FB but CERTAINLY not AFREECATV/SOOP.
We're just hot ass rn ~ the power of friendship ig.
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