NKT choking and making questionable calls. Name a better duo.
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NKT choking and making questionable calls. Name a better duo.
Yes, but I also think that many of his overheats were due to him making on the fly calls/pushes while asking for stuns/flashes but due to the language barrier, this information may have been processed slower. Besides, Governor CAN aim, it's just that I think this playstyle fucks with his aim and crosshair placement that just ruins him for the rest of the game. I think he looks solid on the initiator role and I think if Flor is playing main duelist, then Governor could do well as an initiator or secondary duelist.
He is a decent player and will work on a team that utilises him well, he's willing to adapt and fill for the team and a selfless teammate is vital. I think the comm issues in TALON really impacted Governor's performance and I think he will shine much better on a different team.
Does no one want to coach for them or just the fact that all of them are playing for fun and won't be willing to commit hours into the game?
Meanies.
This new TALON roster will do wonders since they're all (aside from Crws sorry) mechanically insane youngsters. If Crws and Frost/Jovi can rally these players into a solid and cohesive team with solid macro and strats I think this team will at minimum be fighting for top of PACIFIC (I'm biased but I'm also realistic when I say TALON now has 4 mechanical demons).Though I think without Crws this team would struggle without a leader and IGL with a strong game understanding. It could also all fall flat since mechanics aren't everything but Frost and co have such a good job at turning Jitboys into an insane anchor with great game understanding, Crws has evolved so much as an IGL and Primmie is just getting started.
Z11 and TALON Academy also looked stacked for talents that could potentially be brought up. Really hoping for FULL SENSE to win Ascension this year if they make it and finally get 2 Thai orgs in PACIFIC since there is too much talent that deserves a chance on Tier 1.
Manifesting a TALON come up story just like T1. Moving from International to Full Thai and then winning it all
The fuck is the point of a home crowd if people are cheering for everyone. This whole event all teams were getting cheered on for both sides. This was the finals and the PACIFIC representative has the chance to take home a GLOBAL win for PACIFIC. Why the fuck wouldn't the home crowd cheer for their region. They remain respectful, no boos and there was still cheers from the crowd. If anything the crowd reveals work in favour of both sides, when G2 spammed smokes, the crowd noises might've given cues that they tagged someone. This is a LAN event and this happens in every crowd.
Loud minority, as a Thai person (with relatively fair skin) we are really diverse and no one (except the dumb yet vocal minority) really cares what the Thai character looks like unless she is of course a completely different ethnicity. If she speaks Thai and has Thai voice lines and presents Thai characteristics then I am happy with the inclusion regardless of whether I look like her or not. From the showmatch I think I only heard one Thai voice line so I really hope there is more.
She could be Southern Thai or Eastern Thai near the Cambodian border where people generally are associated with a darker skin tone and the South having more 'Malay' genetics. It really doesn't matter though I just wanted a character that didn't really play into typical Thai stereotypes of either a Muay Thai hero or Transgender (nothing wrong with being trans of course) or something that was so outwardly and overwhelmingly Thai that they overdid it, so it's nice to see a hero that is simply Thai by nationality and not confined to a box where they have to be a Muay Thai fighter or monk or float on lotuses or ride elephants lol.
I think TALON will have to iron out a lot of things in the early stages but the peak of this team is very, very high. From an unbiased perspective, I think RRQ and NS will overtake TALON initially as they begin to adapt and I believe the new players will fly to Korea this week? However, I'm really hoping they come out all cylinders firing and shock tier 1.
However, if all 5 are firing to their maximum capabilities this team can totally be top 3 pacific at least. I trust in Frost's antis and strats and I believe that Crws will have an easier time calling with all 5 speaking the same language. Plus there is pre-existing chemistry with the young talents through various ex teams and ranked buddies. If Frost can coach these young talents who already have a strong individual understanding of the game into team-orientated and smart players, I think this is literally the Thai superteam.
Crazy that the guy who actually watches all the regions and puts in the time recognises the competitive region.
As a Chemical Engineering graduate, what the fuck is baby rudin?
Surf is on TALON academy, idk why VLR still thinks Surf is on the main roster.
This is just a common theme with RIOT game franchises no? League is very much the same and VALORANT is basically the FPS equivalent or supposedly tries to be. It has always been this way as well in Asia especially hence why VALORANT is big on casual gamers and playerbase. Better to target an opening in the market than try to get CS fans to shift over which they know they won't since the remaining playerbase is either die hard fans or gamblers and skin merchants.
TALON with its full Thai roster decides to overthrow the Korean overlords and clench a spot in the top 2.
Do you have a timestamp, since they're in Thailand my guess would be a Thai inhaler. It's like a natural herby, peppermint inhaler that really clears your airways and is addictive. Every Thai person will carry one around and it helps with nausea and dizziness + on stage might help with concentration/taking your mind off a lost round etc.
But APAC is a lot less top heavy. EDG looks amazing but Trace looked mediocre. DRX dominated SEN and honestly should've won their next 2 games had they not been serial chokers owing to inexperience of the rookie players. TALON (When players actually shoot back) and RRQ look like they can square up to the Korean teams on their given days. I REALLY hope that with TALON's new roster we become serious contenders for the Top 2 since the talent is there, it just depends how long it will take to implement the new system of full Thai with Thai comms all while still having international coaches.
DRX or EDG. EDG for the storyline but DRX cuz I'm rooting for them and I want 'rookies' to shine.
fyi, blud has the most google-translated phrasing I've ever seen.
Thai food, but REAL Thai food and not the stuff sold in normal Thai restaurants around the world.
He has pop off games but when you watch him consistently his whiffs and FDs on the lurk just become too apparent, he is far too inconsistent and a burden with the already inconsistent Crws.
Lots of talented Thais can co-IGL, if they manage to poach Laz from FS they have a solid IGL with decent macro and game understanding and shooter on their hands. Don't feed on the Frost ban copium, I'm sure ban is a good co-igl and calm in the team but his other aspects make him lack too much. They might be worse in the beginning, but they have some time to practice and there will undoubtedly be a higher ceiling with better mechanical players.
You remove Jitboys and we have problems. Arguably the best and most consistent TALON player for these past 2 seasons and only shown improvements.
Z11 looked lost on map 1 and map 2 was just a series of the worst chokes imaginable despite being the better team. Such an off day for Z11 that ended up costing them. Still though, this team has a bright future and eyes will be on them.
Kudos to JA tho, what a 2nd map for him to basically win the game for his team. His lurk timings were impeccable.
Something something, I only watch NA VALORANT and apparently I'm blind when watching as well so I'm literally making this list off audio cues I heard from the casters.
TALON serial chokers regardless of the main or academy team xD.
Keiko ~ my Thai-British brother, I will support you and the pacific teams, make me proud!
Sad for Thai fans but hopefully Frost realises now that some changes need to be made. Especially with how disastrous the GENG game was simply because his team wasn't good enough. There was no unlucky, there was no major issues with the gameplay, just pure difference.
If you're a Pacific fan, then cheer for Pacific man! Let's get another Trophy in Asia for Asia!
They don't need to be Primmie's level ~ they just need to be better than ban and governor of which Thailand has in abundance but we lack good coaches and if the team were to go full Thai, would Frost actually stay and workaround the language barrier?
It's tough being a TALON fan... how do we look so good half the time yet completely shit the bed the other half.
Will roster changes fix us? idk but we're just serial chokers at this point unable to perform when it matters most yet our gameplay doesn't look bad ~ we literally just got out-aimed today and it just spiraled.
Bad game mechanics wise from TALON, overall gameplay was decent still. Mental reset and winnable.
People never learn lmao. Just wait till they actually face off to make assumptions. Perhaps the chaotic playstyle only exists cuz the two teams are forcing this playstyle. Who's to say NA teams or EU teams won't be forced into this style when matched up. Of course, I think G2 and VIT look hella strong but we don't know until they play.
TALON Jr (aka TALON academy) are playing with the blue lock roster ~ 5 mechanical duelists mains have been converted into a proper team. Primmie's close friend Snappy is also playing.
If you enjoy insane mechanics and chaotic games, I encourage you to watch (despite it being on SOOP). If you enjoy the games, I also encourage you to watch Z11 after whom are another mechanically insane Thai team and remind me of old PRX somewhat. It's Tier 2, there is bound to be mistakes, but still fun games regardless.
I don't think T1 makes it, they look a little lost and disjointed at times.
DRX looks better and GENG just has the Munchkin X factor (which is insane but what an IGL Munchkin has transformed into from the days of Crazy Raccoons and T1)
I'm Thai but it's clear that KR is better than most teams in SEA atm. That's not saying the general mechanics and talent is better but they're LITERALLY just better teams in terms of macro, calling and strats. It is what it is. The lines are more blurred in Tier 2 of course but that's cause KR has like 4 teams already in Tier 1 with a player base arguably smaller than many sub-regions in APAC let alone the whole of SEA. We do not need foreign imports, we need foreign coaches to be integrated with local coaches which can then be passed down to the IGL and teammates. Once the whole team develops better fundamentals and understanding, APAC will literally be the most competitive region.
Mechanically, I think any sub-region in SEA has enough talents to compete at a tier 1 level and I'm gonna be biased and say that Thailand could at least have 3 rosters with the mechanical skill to compete at the tier 1 level and frag out. I also don't like recycle old guards who are past their prime, pick up the new, young talents and integrate them with a veteran who can provide leadership in the team. Now, what we lack generally is adaptability and true game understanding, a lot of SEA teams are always behind in the meta (we should be forcing Tejo by now and abuse the broken shit while we can!). Neon is nerfed yet Nongshim still force it because they know that's their strong suit and adapt their entire game plan around it.
KR has innovative coaches who cook (with comps and roles that generally make sense) and players usually have a good understanding of the game and don't overheat as well as solid IGLs. I think this is what distinguishes them the most and allows them to adapt and perform on the premier stage.
Also, for those Plat Chat enjoyers or anyone with a Western perspective, I encourage you to watch Tier 2 in APAC, KR and JP because those guys have no idea what goes on in this region. They know of T2 talents in other regions but since APAC is so large and dispersed, so many names go unheard of and are doubted almost immediately so they just want to recycle the same talents over and over. What KR has done well is bring up their Tier 2 players from academies and scouting and immediately integrating them into lineups so they're forced to 'grow up' and become a tier 1 player. This aggressive tactic may mean mediocre results at first (with exceptions) but ultimately it unlocks a whole new level of gameplay and mechanics.
You could make an argument that the environment is favourable to Koreans with the league being based in Korea allowing for Tier 2 and Tier 1 Korean teams to scrim openly as well as Korean teams normally being quite strict on having full Korean rosters to maintain synergy with players and coaches.
Primmie will cook if he's not on duelist. He is not overrated, he is perfectly rated as a mechanical demon of which he is. Few other players have as insane crosshair placement and adjustments as him. I'm not saying he's the best or smartest player, but mechanically he is one of the best let's be fucking real now. I certainly think Primmie should not be on the duelist role as that doesn't suit his playstyle and both TALON and Primmie have realised this and are keeping him off duelist.
I also just believe Crws (as an IGL) and Jitboys (as an anchor controller) are just too underrated. I literally think Jitboys has the Mako-esque vibe and outplays if you just watch the dude play. Primmie joins and everyone has eyes on him but no one respects the other players like they should.
Why the fuck would we sign PatrickWHO????? There's at least 5 other star duelists in Thailand waiting to be picked up. Thai FPS mechanics are top in the region (SEA) across multiple games with the only competition being Indonesia who have obviously done well in both VALORANT and CSGO.
The only reason we have 2 'imports' (technically ban is not an import) rn is cause the coach trusts them and believes they're coachable. They're by no means the best mechanically skilled players out there.
For a region like India, perhaps the mechanics are lacking but mechanically APAC is still top 1/2. Now if you brought in an American or European IGL as they tried with Russ, that might make a lot of sense.
TALON miracle run to play in front of the home crowd and win it all.
one can dream...
DRX takes the other spot cause Freeing Tejo is the fucking truth.
I just think the scale of reference is too small. One bad year from an all Thai roster (that had internal issues and struggled to adapt to the brand new franchise format and truly become 'professional') when in actuality, the OG Talon i.e. X10 roster was always a top contender in Pacific. Weaker than DRX and PRX, but still in the top 3/4.
It's not just results though, ban has consistently had more terrible games than good ones and it's all about the cost analysis, is the trade off of more mid-rounding and slightly less burden on Crws the better trade than finding a very mechanically talented youngster who might not contribute as much to overall comms but frags heavily and anchors his role well. To me, I think with the case of Primmie, if you indeed just win gunfights, you do win games and Frost's overall track record of transforming players into smarter, more disciplined players is indeed working well so why limit yourself to someone who's mechanics aren't where they should be and hasn't shown improvement even since his T1 days.
let us reserve our judgement if TALON do indeed fall short of Kickoff at the very least.
I still maintain that if you do not bench Crws, give him another shot on a Thai roster, and he will cook in frags once more.
Team Secret.
Oh and TALON cause if I'm ever confident in them winning, they fall short but when I lack hope, they show the fuck up.
Bro is the most dyslexic, illiterate American I've ever seen. WHAT THE FUCK did you type out? I'm tweaking reading this.
Don't you dare talk about my goat Crws in this manner, also fuck did Jovi do to warrant this, he literally just got here lmfao.
Crws is Thai and one of the best IGLs in the scene, it just so happens he also works a side job as a translator and analyst.
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