No region has won 3 masters in a row because champs is between masters no idea why pacific fans use that horrid point. Shanghai was over a year ago what exactly is “right now” not to mention this completely ignored podium placements lmao which Amer and now also Emea also beats apac in lol.

For sure man. You pacific riders are definitely something else.

Yeah your education system failed you

Right… rrq winning stage 1 beating GenG and prx just being worse than both at Toronto and ewc… is somehow balanced? But rrq also beat T1 who as you suggest didn’t get worse other teams just happen to have gotten just as good. Meaning they should bare minimum be above g2? Now… the same t1 also lost to talon and drx… and rrq… lost to secret arguably the worse team in the region bar DFM… so… none of this is inconsistency. It’s just that ALLLL of these teams essentially every team from apac is as good if not better than g2… who… beat… GenG… who outperformed rrq and look better by miles…ok. No yeah sure

Sure so then what exactly is the benchmark here… teams in history?
Given we’re taking anything that has happened.
APAC would still not be the most competitive region…
Amer 5
Emea 5
APAC 3
China 1

And then proceeded to not make Toronto… my point is it’s a past result that doesn’t represent the regions current strength as that result isn’t consistent with the current standings…
EMEA 2 masters in a row
APAC 3 masters, 2 in a row
Amer 1 champs and 1 masters
China 1 champs.
The topic is the most competitive region im assuming currently… even if you wanna say it’s not “current” sure it also doesn’t say “franchising” so why would we limit it to that. Ofc I know why because that would include apac doing absolutely nothing and you’re a apac fanboy but just funny to point out.

Does the current state of a team not effect the region as a whole… I mean yeah EDG are the current champions…

Are you retarded? TH and RRQ were In a completely different meta and RRQ has double the time between compared to PRX… you’re literally proving my point… own would think heretics would have been great in toronto as it was only a few weeks later… but they weren’t… thus that’s not enough time to tell if a team will be consistent… especially continuously. Not all teams are the same “my region” I literally support NS and DRX lol I’m just glad liquid got Trexx… I literally have only shit talked FNC? I am the biggest chronicle hater. You’re actually a clown lol.

Little to no time passed between Toronto and ewc to claim prx are actually consistent. That should have been the expectation for them and the minimum at that.

Id put them over Russia tbh.

Yeah but one of those winners then fell off… DRX got significantly worse as well. PRX lost to DFM to start I mean you talk about consistency but the only consistent team is GenG maybe rrq? ofc could change if PRX continue as they are.

No China is insane work

Won’t win a bo5 against GenG or PRX and if Alfa isn’t frying then not TH either or G2 but people are down on g2 because of a clear underperformance so that’s far more subjective.

Maybe if you just dont watch games.

Liquid’s map pool is better than FNC? So this point is just strange?

Korea and anyone saying otherwise is trolling.

FNC isn’t winning a bo5 against any top team even if they have map ban advantage so I mean…

Strongest team is GenG idc

They had a better career by completely flopping and failing to make the next masters??? wtf are we even talking about.

I’d say I was spot on other than group A all of these groups were more or less the same and group D wasn’t at all what people hyped it up to be.

Guy has one bad stage and we forget he has been on one of the worst teams in VCT history and still outperforming majority of duelist in apac since he's been in tier 1?

Tenz
Leo
Aspas
Alfa
Mako
Zekken
Texture
nats
Meteor
Forsaken

Tell them to stop insta locking reyna and clove and pick up fade

Yes. You'd be suggesting Cryo could do what zekken does best even better which is very unlikely. Because I don't think theres a single entry duelist in the game better than Zekken personally. Even if it was correct it'd be a extremely hot take. I don't think Cryo needs to learn those agent's though I think he just needs time to prove he can play them because he clearly can.

arcane

This isn't much of a hot take completely different players

EDG is 4th in china. 3rd if you wanna assume XLG are worse. 100T went 5 maps with debatably the worst team in toronto losing to them prior in stage 1. And then you have 2 really good teams Fair enough...

??? Go ahead give a solid arguement as to why any group is harder without simply assuming that teams will be good and based on actual results.

Sen have the hardest group here?

Derke was silent in 2023. Inconsistent 21 and 22. And silent 2024 until champs not just speaking internationally. Speaking both regionally and internationally. Also ofc its your opinion lol but seeing 2021 Tenz below 3 people was enough for me.

1. Tenz: 2 masters on two different rosters on two different roles. Best on the team for the first second best for the second. + The single most dominant individual performance of all time full stop.

2. Leo: 2 masters whilst being the best on his team at both.

3. Aspas: Consistently one of the best duelist itw every year

More like Masters >= but it should be valued around there

Any actual reasoning???

lol had to come back to this.

How?

No hate just the truth

SEN 2-0
13-4, 13-6

MIBR 2-1
BLG 2-1
SEN 2-0
PRX 2-0

Favorites is an understatement people were claiming G2 would sweep, best in the world etc. lost to EDG and T1 they’re overrated

MIBR 2-1
BLG 2-1
SEN 2-0
PRX 2-0

XLG SEN MIBR

Zekken
Kaajak
Hyunmin
Whzy
Rarga/Jemkin

Another event where people overrate G2

Personally none at least consistently.

Wrong

John has literally been better on breach their Haven looked incredible due to their coordination and team play heavily in part due to Johnqt’s util. John was never on perma flash. In fact in the off season he was on scan while Zellsis was on flashes. Not sure where you get the idea that John would be bad on flashes.

Ofc? Which is why I said specifically playing valorant his rivals streams were actually fun to watch. But watching any pro just play valorant ranked is self imposed torture.

Because they’re beyond such simple rankings they’ve already won Toronto.

You’re dumb.

This is how it should be. Unfortunately that’s not the case. And simply allegations just literal text messages can ruin your career if someone just posts a doc or two and labels it.