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how to help japan?

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supr

japan looks so far behind since forever.. kinda feel bad.. what can they do??

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Notbaka
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Hire koreans

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H3ENnZ
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How many times has that worked in tier one

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Seojun_19
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I mean dfm look much better with jinboong and akame

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merciless-pity8989-89
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do they?

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IonlywatchvcjXD
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Not really tbh, they better be trolling in scrims but ain't no way Fennel ( who wasn't even in top form ) diffed you 14 -5 and 10 - 3 on the next day. Like replace gyen with SSeess probably improve things but it won't solve DFM's problems

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lalalalalala
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clone meiy 5 times

#15
masterX
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i'm prefer 3 dep 2 meiy

#61
Galactc
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Nah 2 of each and then an igl

#64
doli928
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2meiy 2dep and japanese goat igl (so far) the odin guy art

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masterX
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bring back Laz

#4
NerdyOmen
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meiy to zeta or dep to dfm

#5
EpicGamerGamingEpicly
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bring back laz

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archetype
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it's actually impossible LMFAO the only good players from that region are Dep SyouTa and Meiy

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DrudaL
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need to import more korea/rusia

#8
Stormyv8
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They already got all the help they need.
Good T2, many RIOT events, a dedicated server.
maybe time? idk man

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ncahlil
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they need imports from germany and italy

#11
Sephirothz
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why didnt they sign the rid players like yatsuka or caedye instead of fennel players are they underage?

#12
jonny05
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Meiy duelist bring Laz back ,Sugarzero, make Dep play flex

#13
Qiyana
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There is Meiy DFM can strikeback not gonna lie zeta is doing something zeta.lmfao No Laz no carry to ZETA.

#14
BLG_FNS
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higher salary first

#18
supr
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their salary are low??Don't these japanese orgs have tones of sponsors? i'll be surprised if its low

#21
IonlywatchvcjXD
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Only the top ones, mid to small orgs barely have sponsors if at all, and usually all those salaries goes to imports because big orgs like scarz prefer imports.

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Astar
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someone better tell him how much the salaries in south east asia lol

the real problem is esports in japan doesnt have winning culture in the first place

#48
Ryandr
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PC eSports tou mean?

#51
IonlywatchvcjXD
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Probably, it's always an uphill battle for Japan when not so long ago PC gaming is thought to be just Visual Novels or Hentai Games

#17
armadmeister1
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only player who can compete vs everyone else is meiy. The others are just behind because japan doesn't have as big as a playerbase as south korea, NA, Brazil, and SEA. South korea also has a ton of academies + veterans in the coaching staff so korea is still the number one region in APAC.

#42
RA621H
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Wth are you yappin. JP playerbase has been much larger ever since the start of Valo.

#19
Arm4jay
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absolute help japan is ,make easy rusians player in japan teams, i think better rusians play japan than emea

#20
222qq
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Just give them time. Esports (pc tittles) were never popular there not until like 2018 because of apex legends. PC gaming was a niche until 2017 or something.

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archetype
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they have had the game for 4 years and a larger playerbase/sponsorship interest than regions like Korea for the entirety of that time. "give them time" is insane bro it's been 4 whole years even China has had better performances than JP and they got the game like 2 years late

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222qq
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Jp players are fairly young in terms of pc gaming dont compare them to chinese and koreans whos been playing pc games for decades. Esports culture is fairly new in Japan.

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archetype
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4 years bro. that's all i'm going to say. 4 years with the highest level of interest in Asia.

#32
222qq
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Decades bro, thats all im going to say too. It doesn't mean its popularity directly translates to success when theres a lot of factors in play.

#27
Biostar
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OK SK is one of the biggest empire in esports. But others? there are probably more PCs in Japan that can run valo at 60+ frames than the SEA and India combined.

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222qq
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What's your point? Good hardware doesn't mean you're going to be magically good at the game yes?

#47
Biostar
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And Japan has always had the second best environment in APAC in terms of the size of the orgs, the big tournaments, the tier 2 salaries, Riot's interest, everything. Since the game launched.

It took just three years for the LPL to go from a trash league that Koreans laughed at to sweep LCK. Before that, In my eyes, Japan is no different from the level of China at that time winning Worlds was easier than winning the LCK.

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Bruh kr had the solid eSports foundation and culture for decades. They just didn't become good automatically. Whereas Japan never had big PC gaming scene let alone eSports before like apex. Money, orgs alone won't improve the regions PC eSports scene automatically.

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222qq
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Bro you are even comparing china who has a very long history with mobas where is japan whos player base started playing with mice and keyboard maybe in like early 2019 for apex and even that, the majority of them played in console versions. its only when the pandemic started where pc games were gaining popular.

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i feel like japan have the esports privilege but not the talent its because of the culture of their organization.

theres not a single game that japan is good at esports except for fighting games, even that is individual esports. their orgs tend to be pragmatic when it comes to winning and not as ambitious as korean and chinese orgs where they have the guts to import players just for the sake of winning culture

#29
IonlywatchvcjXD
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If anything I'd argue that importing too much really hurt Japan tho.

#30
Astar
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its about importing the winning culture not only the players. japan havent had the winning culture in the first place

#31
IonlywatchvcjXD
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Ok now I'm down for it lol. arin once discussed about how Japan always says "nt" to their players and I agree lol.

#43
RA621H
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Korean players in ALGS once made fun of Japanese players sticking to "NT" after getting wiped, after which the amount of NTs you hear on Japanese comms noticeably reduced.

#44
IonlywatchvcjXD
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It's time to fake myself as Korean then, watch I'm about to say some of the vilest shit if that means Japan can improve lmao

#52
NekoSugarGirls17
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Bruh this is so true and annoying. When I first played on Tokyo server, everyone was saying NT even if the round wasn't even close. I thought at first that they were being sarcastic lmao.

#35
wololo___
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TLDR; you wanna win or do you not motherfuckers import some dude right now

#38
Astar
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exactly. the only way to inspire zoomers to make esports a career is to have a winning culture. losing culture cause gamers not to look esports seriously even if your country is so rich and can afford 1000+ high tech game cafe

#57
NekoSugarGirls17
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Forget the winning culture, they don't even have the "i am the best player" culture/mindset. They all play like chickens on Tokyo server competitive.
9 out of 10 games no one autolocks , which looks good at first but is also a proof that they don't have confidence in their pick.
I always play on Singapore server and on a 1v5 situation, 90% of the time the last player will try to win the round.
In Tokyo server they instantly run and hide to the other site on a 3v5 postplant.

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222qq
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Yeah if you auto lock and didn't perform they will talk trash to you either verbally or with some good old pinging. And they want to avoid that to be done that to themselves that is why they dont auto lock. Theres not much shown agressive toxicity in tokyo server like in sea but too much passive ones they dont say it in your face.

#59
Astar
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sounds like easy elo
time for me to que tokyo server thou my ping will be 80+ ish

#60
NekoSugarGirls17
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It's easy if you have patience. I have Ascendant 3 and Silver account, both ranks play the same way.
Just don't pick duelist or you will lose your shit. On attack, yourJapanese teammates will just sit on A main or B main until 30 secs remaining. Even if you get 2 entry kills, they won't enter the site lmao.

#33
NekoSugarGirls17
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Learn English then gather their best talents.
Laz
Meiy
Sugarzero
Dep
Import Boostio and Potter

#34
highlyte
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Laz will not return and this is also the last year for Dep, and as for Boostio 0/8

#46
Astar
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better import boaster.i heard hes fluent in japanese

#50
IonlywatchvcjXD
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Ik you're joking, but boaster's Japanese is anything but fluent lol

#36
charleser
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Gather the 4 or 5 best Japanese talents on one team and import an outstanding coach, then maybe there will be a great Japanese team. Language would be an issue though. Nothing can help the region as a whole. Esports isn't really apart of Japanese culture like it is in China or Korea. Current DFM is the best we're going to see anytime soon. Maybe the Riddle core is better than Fennel but I doubt they'd perform highly in t1.

#39
bearmans
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japan is beyond help. for now at least.
long term plan: regulate the VCL. no import more than 1, make a japanese highschool meet up style every now and then, make them compete against each other without any stake or prizepool. that way, scout will have an easier time to get rough diamond players.

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Seo_w
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Tokyo servers are the most boring sleeper servers to play ranked in, everyone plays like it's vct even on soloq and because of that it doesn't bring new talents, maybe if their whole culture around how to play (more W gaming) they'd have more fiery cracked players but it's actually just so sleeper

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222qq
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Idk man, majority of people play like castrated animals in tokyo server.

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midzera
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The level of strategy that other teams in Pacific have has overtaken ZETA. ZETA on their miracle-run were relatively creative whilst maintaining discipline. Unfortunately, when your specialism of strategy is quickly overtaken like it is now, it's a very bleak future for Japanese Valorant. We can see how Korean teams are improving constantly and developing new strategies that work very often against many teams. Teams like PRX who look at a glance like they just run it down are very creative with their aggression and it makes ZETA very uncomfortable.

If I had to pinpoint their needed improvements, it's their willingness to risk-take and have those agent-synergies that Korean and Chinese teams have found. Vyselock has been so pivotal in changing how some maps are played. If Japan can find that sort of unique development and have deep strategies with it, they will be a lot more dangerous.

Beyond this, they definitely need to level up their mechanics. I cannot say exactly how the Radiant Japanese players weigh up against other regions, but on a bigger picture, Thai, Korean and Indonesian players seem to have a higher mechanical ceiling now. Dep looked good on Neon today against PRX, but it's not feasible to have one player who can take over a map. Syouta and Xdll showed some glimpses of greatness too. But as it stands, Japanese Valorant is a few steps behind the pack. The positive I can say is that this ZETA looks much better than last year's mess. Hiroronn being on the wrong role for the majority of the year and Yuran being the biggest flop definitely did not help their case, but the FENNEL reinforcements look so much better. They just need to innovate something and run with it.

#54
IonlywatchvcjXD
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Apparently Yuran is a sentinels player too proven now at Sengoku lol

#56
midzera
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ZETA Academy producing all the sentinels, but it's good to see him finding that improvement. He definitely needed some more Tier 2 exposure since he just had extremely poor decision making. Hope he continues to improve since I won't forget all the confidence he had in himself during the "Know Your Enemy" content VCT Pacific produced. I like confidence, but it definitely needs to be backed up by mechanical or tactical skill.

#62
Prakerja
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they need to learn from JP challengers team, learn to speak some fucking english so you can sign good player

#63
Huyab
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Learn F'ing english... The only reason goated player from VCJ like smth,jemkin,kr1stal,etc not playing on their team is their inability and unwillingness to speak and learn english.
Korean and Chinese despite having the same struggle as other east asian are much more accepting to learning english so they can easily adapt to other team/region (not like they need to import any player from other region).

#65
InvictaKD
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They should accept they cannot make 2 competent teams and split into 5 of their best players and the rest 5 into the other team. they might actually be top6 this way

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