all 48 vct teams ranked

#1

229fn

https://imgur.com/a/hAD2vUp

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Nef0r0

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furia too high imo

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cameran

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Bro said furia 47th put them 48th

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229fn

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nah furia has more total rizz than GE though

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Kirako

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fr ge rizz got nerfed so bad after -juv3nile

#MVGA

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whaphles

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SEN too high imo

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LowGun

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And CLOWN9 is top5.
SEN accomplished more this year anyways.

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tiyoe

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ask yourself this question. Would NRG really win in a Bo3 against GE

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Anguibok

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Ranking based on ELO system

A gap of 20 mean 60% chance of win
A gap of 100 mean 85% chance of win

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MissesHisShots

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nerd

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Anguibok

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thanks !

#12

MissesHisShots

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also why is the image 3 pixels

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Anguibok

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It's a screen of microsoft excel and number are in 8pt

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Quavers

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Lev

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229fn

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so what I'm gathering from this is that Heretics at 4th was the right choice

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Anguibok

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Inercy, 2 BO loose doesnt totally wipe there 2024 years

#22

229fn

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i'm lowkey interested in how this impacts the ascension teams, if there's less recency bias doesn't that mean BME and 2G would be severely underrated

#23

Anguibok

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Ascention team data are a little bit shaky, because it take in account only the game between the 12 best team, so they are alùmost no data between 2023 and 2025 for this 2 team, 2G basically inherited the spot of the 4th best team in BR in prefranchised era (NIP), and BME kept their ranking from 2022 (Model will be better next year)

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229fn

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yeah because BME made an international in 2022 iirc

i'm confused where the 2G number came from, did their loss to FUR really lose them 50 points

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Anguibok

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If 2 team are roughly in level, it's -10 per loose +10 per win.

FUR started at -33 and 2G at -48 (FUR was at -70 before 2024 split 2, they won 3 games and end at -33

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229fn

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ah ok, so 2G should balance out after a few good games.

do you have a link to this spreadsheet?
does a 2-0 give more elo than a 2-1? a 13-10 more than a 13-11?
how much did 2G win vs LOUD?

#33

Anguibok

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Its only count the win of the BO, i've hesitate to count game and not only the BO, but since the game are not independant and are the part of the same draft, I went against it

Add me on discord if you want it

#41

229fn

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Done

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Danny

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How did Lev and EG end up above C9?

#49

Anguibok

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Inercy, C9 has never done anything, LEV had a good 2024, and EG, loose a lost of point since 2023, but still not that low (Plus C9 didnt has prove nothing this year), one more win for C9 and they are above EG

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Danny

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Does the elo system not reset after the offseason and significant roster changes?

#51

Anguibok

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I could do that, but I decided to go against it, it would advantage too mush weak region, and would be weird to have 50-50 for an EDG versus AG at the start of the year.

I consider making a soft reset, but a soft reset would mean best region would loss ELO in favor of weaken one, for exemple in team, the average ranking of NA would be reduce by 15, the ququivalent of 1 win and an half (So 18 win erased)

Still open for modification

#52

Danny

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what about reducing elo by 20% for each player changed

feels weird for Lev to be coasting off 2024 now that they no longer have Aspas and Mazino

For example, last year did you still have EG ranked as a top team despite their champs-winning roster getting imploded?

#54

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I also thoug about that but that would be a mess when new player arrive and old player come, and also it may give advantage to weaker region if we put every young player on an equal foot, also, if you hire a young player because they think he might be better than the old one, it would be weird to reduce 20% and not upgrading.

Yup EG wastop tier for the bot ! (But lets be honnest, they are way more reason to beleive 2024 EG would be top tier than 2023 T.T)

#9

Warlordwibz

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What's TH doing in S?
PRX higher than RRQ? Do u not watch pacific?
GE too high

#19

229fn

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TH belong in S

I do watch APAC but I think that PRX have more raw talent

GE is probably too high, they need a "zero rizz" tier

#21

Warlordwibz

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T1/G2/EDG only 3 teams belong in S, TH to FNC can go to A
More raw talent ignore results got it.

#24

229fn

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they beat Zeta division, I want to see them win a harder match

also i have more hope for prx than i do rrq

#28

Warlordwibz

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RRQ destroyed TLN.
PRX is done for Split 1, if this tierlist is for split 2 then I might agree, but current PRX? no chance this high.

#30

catNmouse

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and that’s their only win of the year so far

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Yuniee44

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I dont think we can really say that navi is actually worse than koi, or even apeks. Either move them down, or navi up.

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aToppHat

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idk much but why is 2G so high up lol

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Ductorian

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fuckin c9 boom and trace over drx im actually dead

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catNmouse

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TH at 4????

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Conceit

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Some parts of this list are straight ass

#32

Soddalele

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the is definately one of the lists of all time

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bobwoblob

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0/8

#35

love_trial

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it’s funny when people do this because they insist on rating pacific like dogs but have to include t1 at the top because they won the trophy

so all these “global tier lists” just have t1 there and no other asian teams

#40

229fn

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Pacific are so inconsistent, I think T1 are the best team in the world rn and BME is a solid 2nd place in the region but the other teams are just too RNG to really get a good read on where they stand internationally

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FrostTree187

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idk bro, t1 looks shakier than drx

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catNmouse

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they love playing 3 maps, they’re kinda like 2024 geng where they look shaky in groups but play like gods in internationals of playoffs

#36

pHm

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what the fuck is this

#37

veljko

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I'm so confused by these placements...

#38

M40

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Why tf is choke9 s tier

#48

Danny

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because they molly wopped your sorry ahh flair

#39

nooomy

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100T just beat the two teams above them and they beat ur flair lmao

#42

snowconedeity

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brother i have so many questions like why is Trace still that high, why is TH in S tier, why is AG higher than JDG when AG lost to them and it looked horrendous from them, why is C9 that high, and why is M8 so low.

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229fn

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Idk
Because RieNs is him
I honestly didn't watch AG vs JDG
Oxy is also him
They just did a roster change and I need to see more from it

edit: also click is ass

#43

ala

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bro random number generated the entire middle of the list lmfao

#44

Yistyy

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100t in f tier is harsh

#46

charleser

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Trace A tier above DRX is actually WILD

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Greyash

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I think that guy didn't really watch vct pacific

#55

localkoolkid

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how tf is NOVA above FUT?

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Ronyko23

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fut history is never good against chinese teams tbh. All aim no brain is never gonna work against apac & cn teams. Even last year fpx rolled them with basically zero strat & troll comps. Nova is way better & stable team even with duelist role issues.

#56

Rev1va1

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heretics should not be in S tier.

#57

Huyab

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0/8, bait used to be believeable :(

RRQ below Apeks, Giantx, PRX, etc is just braindead.

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229fn

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you are surely biased with that flair

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Huyab

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Bruh, RRQ player such as Jemkin (Week 2),crazyguy (Week 3) and Kushy (Week 1) are consistently top 5 players in APAC.. Putting them below a team that currently underpeform like PRX does not make sense whatsoever..

Both Apeks and GiantX are currently 0-2 in their group, PRX are 0-3 while RRQ are 2-1, How can RRQ rank below these team lmao?

#68

229fn

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yes but RRQ next match is vs T1, PRX is vs GE

if PRX lose to GE i'm putting them in their own tier

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Huyab

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yes but RRQ next match is vs T1, PRX is vs GE

So? I f'ing doesnt understand your logic here lmao.. Even if RRQ lose to T1 (Master bangkok winner) next week, they're still 2-2 and they're gonna face TS which are a free point.. so their standing gonna be 3-2, and you still put them below bottomfeeder teams like apeks or GiantX?

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229fn

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both of those teams took a map against Heretics, they aren't completely awful

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Huyab

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And? RRQ consistently took 1 map from "Prime" master winner GenG last year.. what's your point?

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229fn

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who knows maybe we'll see RRQ vs PRX in lower round 3

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xonya

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#59

masterX

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Boom A?
As sea ppl I rate Boom high but max at Top B, I would agree with you if Boom can beat DRX next match

#60

EseemedRes1180

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Awful list trace above xlg tec above wolves. TS above GE Zeta above TS apex above rrq what is this bs

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Wall_Bug

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TS beat T1 on Icebox, no? Do we not consider Icebox as a decent map to judge a team on?

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Pixalfv

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ragebait

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Effluxi

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Aside from C9 and Trace who should be rated lower until they prove they can actually amount to anything other than group and region merchants respectively, this list is fairly decent.

Until after SEN. The whole back 2/3 of C, and all of the lower tiers, is completely nonsense.

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Selfim

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So its basically WAY far from being "fairly decent" lmao

#77

Effluxi

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The top half is very good but bro should've stopped once he got half way cuz he doesn't keep up with any of the teams worse than Sen lmao.

C9 and TE are playing at the level they're placed, but are repeat crack under slightest pressure teams, so that's kind of excusable. The bottom of the list isn't.

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FusionLULW

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100t in F is a little too far buddy were legit#2 in our group lmaoo

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deadpark

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Doesnt make sense at all.