The Glaze i've seen for players like Cortezia and Verno is crazy.
The same exact convos happened last year with people like Primmie, Narrate, Marteen, Keiko, Meiy, Yetujey they were all called the best in the world or region last year as rookies and none of them did anything internationally. Before some braindead VLR loser says something i'm not calling them all ass i'm just saying its crazy to be calling rookies better than already established title winners. They all have potential to be the best ITW but they aren't right now. the only people who made any waves internationally as rookies were Karon,Johnqt,Woot,Riens,Hiro,Icy,S1mon,and only 3 of those guys deserved top 10 ITW at any point last year and it's gonna be the same for this year.
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bronzilians try not to overhype their dogshit players challenge: impossible
whoterzia is dogshit stop overhyping him
but I like how u mentioned verno to pretend that ur not bothered by the fact brazil is full of talent
u'd never have created this thread when the glazed rookies were all from NA and EMEA
n4rrate, meiy and yetujey are still considered top tier players since they kept up that performance, whereas the others you listed didn't. also no one is seriously saying verno/cortezia are the best itw, the only solid argument is that verno is the best flash initiator in americas which isn't too far fetched
Not saying you're wrong, you are in fact correct. But You'd have to understand this push towards "rookies with potential" happens because of people's frustration about their team, primarily because some teams kinda recycle players at that time.
Other factors why this phenomenon happen:
- Heretics and KC
- Prior to rookies joining, the team is doing badly
- People don't like old players and prefer younger ones
- They think they are genuinely good.
i understand they hype for rookies, im just saying that majority of these rookies people are talking about will not even be top 10 in their own region most likely. maybe top 7-5 in their own role with the exception of verno i think he could be top 3 in his specific role but I don't think hes even top 10 in region
Everyone u mentioned here, with the exception of Keiko maybe, were still S tier world class Players, seemingly only problem being they weren't on top 4 teams this year
2024 was insane for rookies, especially considering how we got demon1, something, s0m, etc last year, this year we had atleast 4-5 star rookies breakout form each region (other than china, but i expect this to change soon) and this was across a variety of roles too, say a Player is not top tier cause their team is dogshit is not doing justice to their performance
Marteen was the best duelist in EMEA during kickoff and it wasn't close
Yetujey is easily a top 5 sentinel Player itw (id rate him even higher personally)
Primmie hasn't had enough server time to come to conclusions
Narrate is a top 10 player, ur actually taking the piss
I put an exception on Keiko, read my post
Idk abt icy tbh
Idk how u say hiro wasn't world class, my man subbed in for a best in the world Player and performed incredibly all things considered
IMO you can say a player is really good even if they dont have a top team (top 15 in region) but to say they are world class is crazy, when you say world class i think of aspas,leo, zekken,texture,meteor,tenz, i dont think of verno,primmie,cortezia, i know for a fact a world class player can still drag a bum team to atleast a couple wins because thats what jawgemo did with eg last season, Narrate for KC, and cleary 2023 loud was a bum team carried by aspas (as seen by their results in 2024 with the same roster -aspas)
That's a point, our definitions of world class are different
My definition of world class is someone who can instantly improve a team drastically when put in their comfort/comfort adjacent role, and that happened with all of these guys imo
I still agree with u on that jawg and aspas are a calibre above theses guys, but that doesn't remove the fact that they're still great Players anyone would want on their teams( ignoring external factors like language barriers)
i think thats where the problem is, if their is a gap between people like aspas, jawgemo, eg demon1, leo and more compared to others I dont think its fair to call them world class because it kinda undermines what world class means, lets say last year aspas was on the 1-9 mibr team, and they still only got 1 win, I dont think you could call him world class even if he puts up good preformance because he would still be in the same conversations as zekken and texture players who won a event and were the star players
Again that's a difference in opinion, i have a different category for those guys i view as above world class, they're the type of Players I like to view as "carry" players, and I think they deserve to be thought of as one step above world class, we're on somewhat the same wavelength but our way of describing it is different, and while i do think some of these rookies are at that "carry" level, that's my opinion, however i can see where ur coming from and that's alright
No… I mentioned two players who made tournaments while jawgemo didn't. I didn't say who had a better year, I said WHO WAS BETTER... funny you disregard Asuna in that as well lmao… According to this logic qck, asuna, keznit, govenor, whyz, heck even tvirusluke are all better than people like Jawgemo and Oxy because they didn't make an event. It's ridiculous logic and you know it.
Sure he did… do you intend to address the actual point or just lean into keznit having a better year as if I didn't mention 5 other duelists. Doing off stats on VLR only PROVES my point, lmao Primmie was top 3 in champs top 6 in acd and was playing on par with Aspas against lev. Narrate in madrid, patitiek and woot in Shanghai etc.
Bro your comparing established players who have made deep runs or even won events. To rookies that have never played a single vct game, YOUR logic is flawed. Sure you can beat a better team with worse players but ifk even know how that firs into what I said, you consistently don't win anything international if your players aren't either top 5 or top 3 in their roles,
Every winner this year had atleast 3 people that were top 5 or top 3 in their role besides maybe sentinels if you don't think johnqt was a top 5 igl/senti
Meiy best japanese player and DFM roster looks great with meiy at the frontline. N4rrate one of the biggest signings to replace the most decorated player in the world. Yetuejey was the sole reason FUT looked even a little competetive. Carried CBUM soo hard. Verno looking like one of the best initiators already and Cortezia looks amazing mechanically
Notice Karon, Riens, Woot , flashback and simon is not in the list. Oh wow who would have guessed some hyped rookies failed and some hyped rookies succeed.
Rookies and Veterans are both hyped and some of them fails. Maybe next time stop hyping out washed people like y0y , n0vi core and nrg players too.
They are not on the list on overhyped rookies. And whats with the revisionism, Karon was the piece people want to see in Geng because he is a random ranker, while there are hype around simon because Chinese fans are tired about EDG
And Narrate, Meiy, Yetujey etc were only hyped when they start winning, just like Karon,Riens and S1mon. Before that nobody cares about them. And nobody ranks meiy , Keiko or yetujey as top 10 in the world or even their region. Quit straw manning, the only player rated top 10 in the world were Narrate after arguably being the best player in Emea kickoff
There is only two player that was extremely hyped before they even played this year : Woot and Primmie. Both succeeded in their own ways. Woot carried TH to a second place finish, Primmie brought Talon to an international (before you say he is overhyped, look at the pickems, nobody expected Talon to go through the group and they didn't) though i agree primmie being rated as top in the world is insane, but its a primmie issue, nobody else is as overhyped as him.
And how many established title winners actually did anything internationally? Oh right it was only Tenz and arguably aspas+com. Meanwhile established Eg+optic(NRG) is at the bottom of Americas, Navi won 1 game in split 2, and Fnatic won a total of 1 game in playoffs(same as yetujey btw). Stop overating washed players
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