Damn the Thai brain fk is real huh??

Pls look at sentinels maps again💀

John and zellsis have swapped the hard sentinel and viper role, so ur stats are outdated, HECK HE HASN'T PLAYED VIPER ALL SPLIT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE 1ST GAME, PLZ ATLEAST DO UR RESEARCH PROPERLY ITS NOT THAT DIFFICULT MY FRIEND

Quality of the win in the sense how important a win is, like winning a master's event or winning a champions event

What I'm saying is SEN should prioritise Preparing for champions especially cause of the timing of the Nerfs and how much they change the meta, the teams who go to shanghai will have little time to prepare.

But if sen qualify for shanghai I'm not complaining, I still wanna see them win uk

Bruh zellsis hardly plays much viper lol, idk if u even watch the games 💀

It's a win sure, but the quality of the win also takes precedence no?

U should root for them to get knocked out of play-offs, and for good reason

They've already been running on empty strats wise for a while, and add the viper nerfs on top and they're gonna need time to cook, the extra time getting ready for S2 will be a godsend to get their strat books as deep as possible.

cause of they can get ahead of the meta like they did for Kick off, they're winning champs, ez clapz

Bruv no reasonable sen fan is hating on G2 for doing their job

If anything as a secondary sen fan myself I'd rather they not qualify and prepare for the next split, cause whoever's going to shanghai are gonna be Captial B BURNT for S2 with all the viper nerfs

For pro play, yes definitely if an agent has numbers that make peak chamber look balanced, yeah she needs nerfs

However unlike Jett and chamber who were and still are top 5 in terms of ranked pick rate, viper is not that popular in ranked, at the time of this thread viper is the least picked controller besides harbour and her win rate isn't much better either, just look at astra for an example of what will happen, her pick rate wasn't great even at her peak, and now she's even worse, and Viper is even more niche than astra

Besides in most games below ascendant, PPL still have no idea how to play with or against a 2nd controller viper, i can't remember how many times I've gotten flamed for picking viper on a map that wasn't icebox or breeze or for throwing supposedly "troll walls" on those maps, hell even on Breeze or icebox 50% of the time I see An omen or clove on the other team and the only reason we have a viper is cause i main the bitch Harder than most diamond Jett mains💀.

While I will admit she's still op in ranked when played as 2nd controller, i will not dispute that, however riot are once again making the same mistake they made with Jett and chamber, Nerfing everything other than the OP part of the kit, with viper that would be the unpredictability and map influence of her wall, Nerfing the wall imo is the only way viper can be reasonably nerfed

Overall imo this patch is a failure that will not change how viper is played in pro play for the most part, but will absolutely gut her ranked viability

Riot are digging their own grave with the tools that sent overwatch and rainbow six six feet under, and as someone who was a fan of both eSports in the past, it's beyond frustrating

Plat chat wouldn't be half as entertaining without mimi, she's chaos incarnate and u need that on set sometimes

Nah that would be sen vs 100t, they had beef all the way back from 1st strike

It wasn't the "sentinel play style" that needed a nerf it was viper's ability to put pressure on an entire lane of the map with a push of a button with little to no counter play when Played at even a semi competent level

Yeah sure find a duo who plays primary smokes kkkkk

MFER i need to flex on 5 different agents to fit in my irl valo grps, and not everyone is gonna duo. HECK IF I WANT TO PLAY VIPER SOLO QUE, I NEED TO HOVER DUELIST TO EVEN GET A PROPER COMP, I SWEAR EVERY SINGLE TIME 2-3 PPL IN THE TEAM GO"AHHH WE LOST WE HAVE 2 CONTROLLERS" OR WHATEVER

Is viper op as a a 2nd controller in ranked, yeah obviously, but also remember that half the player based still don't know how to play with or against a proper double controller, idk how many times my teammates flame me for"putting bad walls" when using the bind a short setup 💀💀💀💀

I'm not a one trick pony lol, (if i was, I'd have an abyssmal time in ranked lol)viper's just my favourite agent to play

I'm just pissed they're doing roundabouts AGAIN, FOR FKS SAKE THEY DID THE SAME THING WITH JETT AND CHAMBER, NOT TOUCHING THE DASH AND TP UNTIL THE NERFED LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE

just nerf the wall already plzzz

The problem is she's more of a sentinel now, they basically Nerfed her ability as a controller with the orb getting stuck

But her sentinel play style is still gonna remain, plus viper's plant Denial is now dead due to the smoke changes, but not even addressing the root of the problem Is what frustrates me

They did the same thing with Jett and chamber too, except viper is only a problem in pro play and pretty much below average in solo que

So for all intents and purposes they Nerfed her solo que viability without affecting her pro play usage by much

https://youtu.be/59LLiEw3uZ8

While the other nerfs I think work, the orb nerf is BS, IT BASICALLY KILLS VIPER AS A SOLO CONTROLLER ON MOST MAPS, while not really affecting her ability to work as a secondary controller

If ur gonna make it one molly at least give it 8-9 secs with a little more damage, and combined with the orb now being unretriveable, vipers now gone from arguably the best post plant line up agent to the worst

And again riot are Nerfing everything but the actual OP ability (getting chamber and Jett Deja vu any one), ffs riot nerf the wall already

Tf are u on abt, probably one of the more open maps out there

Has no kills since the 15th rnd so far

My man has the most two faced performance of all time, even worse than lock in keloqz

We already had that, it's called promotion relegation

The entire point of franchising is that teams have security, riot was betting on that to keep orgs intrested pre franchising

Putting the positions of orgs at risk in the current system is not an option for riot

Besides they're locked into this format for the next 3 yrs so there's nothing to be done abt that

Disclaimer this is a personal list, while I have tried to be as objective as possible pls remember that this list was still made by a dumbass vlr user💀

This is a list that will focus on the 3 big sentinel agents in valorant history cypher, killjoy and viper(viper will be considered a hard sentinels for the sake of simplicity), the players will be primarily rated on their performance on the above mentioned 3 agents, proficiency on other roles will be ignored. Also while being able to play chamber and performances during the chamber metawill play a somewhat major role in the rankings, full time chamber players will not be considered (so no yay, cryo or derke),

Honorable mentions

• Mohammed "JohnQT" Ouarid (didn't make it due to lack of play time in T1, but will definitely be here 1 year from now)
• Saif "Sayf" jibraeel (didn't make it due to best performances coming off the sentinel role, if he stays on the roles I think he can make it)
• Martin "Magnum" penkov (it was a real toss up for me between Magnum and FNS for no 10 and i eventually decided to put Magnum in the HM's due to being out of T1 play for almost 2 years, still one of the most reliable sentinel players in the world and being an integeral part of 2 incredibly successful projects, he sits in the HM's)

Now for the list

10) Pujan "FNS" Mehta - while his individual play leaves much to be desired, FNS's longevity is not to be understated, add that he was probably the best igl in the world for the longest time, he deserves a spot on the list

9) Wan "Chichoo" Shunji - IMO the 2nd best player on EDG, Chichoo has been a rock for his team since it's inception, combined with his ability to play all the big 3 sentinels at an incredibly high level is really impressive, however since he was only able to break out last year his play time is much lower than other players higher up on the list he's in 9

P.s in will be continued below

No way this is real no????

There's just no way, excluding perhaps the most marginalized Gender from the TOURNAMENT MEANT FOR MARGINALIZED GENDERS is hella crazy

While i do have hair loss, it's not cause of the drug I'll tell u that much

So if it's your hair ur worried abt, I'd rather u don't

But once again DO YOUR RESEARCH , ID RATHER CHOKE ON AN INFECTED DONG THAN ASK VLR OF ALL PLACES FOR MEDICAL ADVICE (asking for others subjective experience is fine tho, ig, as long as u realise it's subjective and needs to be taken with a grain of salt)

It's pretty common over here and ive been on it whether I like it or not for years (mom's can get pretty scary 🙄)

And as for its effectiveness it's does a bunch of stuff but it's effects are still disputed, i recommend u do your research instead of asking a valorant forum

My brother in Christ i know that, but realise that this forum is meant for competitive valorant discussions 1st and foremost.

I will stand my ground and die on the hill of equal rights for everyone literally anywhere else, heck i strained my relationship with my parents for almost 3 years cause our politics clashed to the point I moved the fk out and only reconciled a year ago.

And as long as transphobic threads are nuked I'm fine with pro trans threads getting nuked aswell ae long as it doesn't make this cesspool of a forum even worse.

That way yes the gender positivity will go down but the toxicity will be crushed as well and in the end that's all I care abt

It doesn't matter whether it's positive or not cause it's gonna go of the rails anyways, this website is already unbearable as is, adding political issues into it is just gonna make it even more of a Wasteland

I'd rather go and argue abt trans rights and other political issues on Twitter and the like, this is a valorant forum afterall

At this point anything even slightly to related to poltics should be nuked imo

As much as I support Gender representation and wish that trans PPL get the recognition they deserve, this site is not it, the transphobes are gonna sour anything trans positive real quick anyways(this thread being a perfect example), and at that point I'd rather just not have this discussion on this platform at all and just keep the site somewhat tolerable

The valorant takes and baits are already more radioactive than ground zero Chernobyl, adding trans issues is making it damm near impossible to even exist on this platform without getting stage 69 brain cancer 💀

SO PLS, FOR GOOD TIMES SAKE, LETS KEEP THE BS OUT, BOTH PRO AND ANTI gender whatever the fuck

(and I'm supposed to be pro LGBTQ, kill me)

No matter what we can say abt the rest of his game, his sova is still elite no question

It's fun gives some more personality to the players

Plus it's cute for PPL who like teddy bears

Buddy did not just compare Americas best to EMEA mid table

U didn't even have to do that, u could have just compared them to 100T, Kru and G2 and the point would still somewhat stand, what are u even doing???????

Yes, very funny, here's ur round of applause

Now fk off

I legit do not understand what abt the fking MONSTER logo was "anti - Christ", Plus who tf uses "anti Christ" in 2024???????

Blud is waffling bad

Nats is still really good tho, plus sheydos is Playing an entirely different role now on atm probably the worst team in T1 globally (yes KOI are worse than global, watch the games) he'd do better on an actually functional team

Get of the psychedelics bro, it's not that bad

?????????????

The entirety of tube, kitchen and top site are actually made of paper, not to mention the screens wallbang on default plant from ramps and pesudo plant Denial on b site from snow man

Uk baits used to be better on this site

Easy 2nd place when they're performing well, remember when they steamrolled East Asia LCQ in 2022

hes too damn good to be on a lower table team at best, someone pls send him over to navi or an asecsion team with a good shot of acending

Why tf would be so that, isn't he like 20?

Now pls get monyet back, as much as I hate GE for dropping the ball last year, i don't want to see monyet get sidelined, he does not deserve this

JINGG'S BACK LETSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Prx are so winning shanghai

Edit: now that I think abt it, prx would probably make use of him better as a 6th man than GE would as their star Player

So don't go to GE ig

Yo put me in there pls, been saying from the start to give prx time

Wdym mate, i like it when my MC isn't a perv with 0 redeeming qualities

That's all, that's the bare minimum for me lol

Watching him play at Katowice gave me chills ngl

Something in the Romance genre that's real wholesome, similar to the dangers in my heart, horimiya and blue box

Oh and I'd like the MC to be a good person, so no kazuyas pls

China will probably be FPX along with either trace or BBG if they get their shit together

also the middle tier of pacific is really tight so dont be suprised if RRQ, DRX or an improved bleed make it

Ange1's gonna play clove for sure, there's no way he doesn't, he can finally get himself killed every round and still have in game impact

The 22 list is missing less, shao and syugetsu should be 2 and 3, aspas and less over pancada, ardiis should also be here

I'll be damned if riot didn't specifically design clove for ange1's IGLing style, now man can int as much as he please and get rewarded for it, heck it even allows him to int twice now

I won't be surprised if we see Navi be the 1st adopters of clove also expect ange1 to somehow break the LAN death record in a single game now that he can get revived 3 thrice(realistically twice) in a round 💀

what u are forgetting is that trent is a natural viper player, heck mCe scouted him cause he dropped 40 on TGRD in scrims ON VIPER
hes a better viper than skye/gekko player if anything

For context when shiba was dropped for jingg before the 2021 APAC LCQ the team looked worse than they do now, they were doing weird shit trying to figure out their identity (like making davai the jett entry) and the went out to an underwhelming fashion

It took them almost 9 months to get their new play style down and a year for it to peak at Copenhagen, the same thing is somewhat happening with monyet RN, those who saw him play on onic know how truly cracked this man, he may not be a jingg replacement( les be honest no one's capable of replicating jingg) but he's a great entry player in his own way and is capable of dumpstering the world's on a consistent basis when he finally fits in

TL DR; PRX are in a period of restructuring, and monyet is cracked beyond belief (look at his onic days), once he settles in he'll be in top 10 contention easily. JUST GIVE THE CRACKHEADS TIME

bahuball duology

probalbly the best piece of indian cinema(heck indian media) ever created,

have rewatched this atleast 50 times(im noy kidding)