Forsaken yoru is washed. The last time prx use yoru as their main comp is early 2024 split and they ended up moving forsaken to raze anyway.

And let's not talk about champs GF. Prx's yoru is still stuck in 2022

They are not on the list on overhyped rookies. And whats with the revisionism, Karon was the piece people want to see in Geng because he is a random ranker, while there are hype around simon because Chinese fans are tired about EDG

And Narrate, Meiy, Yetujey etc were only hyped when they start winning, just like Karon,Riens and S1mon. Before that nobody cares about them. And nobody ranks meiy , Keiko or yetujey as top 10 in the world or even their region. Quit straw manning, the only player rated top 10 in the world were Narrate after arguably being the best player in Emea kickoff

There is only two player that was extremely hyped before they even played this year : Woot and Primmie. Both succeeded in their own ways. Woot carried TH to a second place finish, Primmie brought Talon to an international (before you say he is overhyped, look at the pickems, nobody expected Talon to go through the group and they didn't) though i agree primmie being rated as top in the world is insane, but its a primmie issue, nobody else is as overhyped as him.

And how many established title winners actually did anything internationally? Oh right it was only Tenz and arguably aspas+com. Meanwhile established Eg+optic(NRG) is at the bottom of Americas, Navi won 1 game in split 2, and Fnatic won a total of 1 game in playoffs(same as yetujey btw). Stop overating washed players

No? That never happens

We abuse people when they are doing dumb stuff, the racial comes naturally after. Like if i saw a instalock jett bait and goes 2-10 i will talk shit and the nation slurs just come after

Notice Karon, Riens, Woot , flashback and simon is not in the list. Oh wow who would have guessed some hyped rookies failed and some hyped rookies succeed.

Rookies and Veterans are both hyped and some of them fails. Maybe next time stop hyping out washed people like y0y , n0vi core and nrg players too.

Most heroes are fun and more unique than OW. They actually made melee heroes and very high skill. Prettier heroes and graphics. They are not afraid of doing stuff like purely melee heroes such as Black Panther and Magic or constantly flying hero like Iron man.

Less predatory practice with perma battle pass. Smoother and more enjoyable gameplay... No queue role.

It has been a month and despite slander campaign from ow fans its still going strong

?? Bro South Asia was given a slot that they dont even deserve. And that team has given up on South Asian talent. South Asian teams are free win, they barely can compete with two kazakh carrying them.

Indonesia is doing fine, with boom going up, rrq and there various inter region exports(PRX, last year blazeking,monyet and Xccurate). Its already the most popular fps there anyway.

Thailand should have won ascension then. MITH could have finished second or even first if they didn't choke the final

Korea dominates the league via their own merit, and that is fine. The franchise league if anything favours the japanese (whose talent pool probably can't support two competitive teams) and South Asian (they don't even have 1 player that should be in tier 1).

If southeast asia+south asia get a league it will be by far the worst league in the world. We seen this in 2022 when their only relevant team is PRX. The first time an APAC team not called PRX qualify via pacific league since franchising is 2024 champs. Thats embarrassing when there's 4/5 teams (with bleed) or 6 (counting south Asia's ge)

Buzz being 6th is crazy

6 -10 should instead go
6 Munchkin (blud was arguably the igl of the year )
7 Smoggy
8 Forsaken
9 Mako
10 Buzz

Lakia should be there inplace of foxy or Invy. He won a trophy but was by far the weak link of geng

These kinds of questions never make sense
Whats the context ? They play each other, which meta and map are they playing on?

Assuming they play on their own meta( for example edg get their broken neon) and all maps are on the table

In that case
EDG 2024(You simply can't counter Kang Kang's neon, the other teams won't have a similar tool or even a buffed cypher)
EG 2023 champs( they did win and beat PRX and Loud)
PRX 2023 champs (they did beat EG and Loud in bo3s)
Loud 2023 champs
Fnatic 2023 Tokyo (contrary to popular believe Fnatic did not fell off in champ, the other teams simply get better, "Boaster says they would have beaten anyone outside of Loud" same dude also said they would have won Madrid if they were there, they ended up winning a total of 1 match in playoffs in the next two internationals)
Sen 2024(No broken skye or neon)

All that talk and neither wont be going to Bangkok lmao. T1+ DFm clears

I dont get how aspas is supposed to entry when his info init is in the enemy spawn. Entry with what support?

I can see an argument for just as good but not better.

RRQ got fked last year by running into GenG 5 times. Thats the main reason why they didn't make it to international events

Honestly the only take away is GE's core can shoot back against PRX and DRX. This is already a massive improvement. Tbf they do play with the best APAC GC players by a wide margin. But yes PRX is just running it down, DRX is fking around and Zeta is playing with academy players. Ge is surprisingly taking this seriously.

Tenz will pay that Mario guy to shoot mooda

Ez win for tenz and sencity

Cove

Because the discussion is about who the replace meteor with????

Even if Benjy is as good as meteor, he can't speak Korean. So point is moot

GenG only have enough money(because the competition is T1) to maintain munchkin or meteor. Despite meteor being the best sentinel in the world i would say munchkin is less replaceable. Proven IGL are very very rare especially as we are limiting it to Korean speakers only

Fr send GE back to tier2 and bring MITH

There's off season messing around and finding out....

And there's losing to rapid lofi who got beaten like a lofi in Japanese 18+ animation in apac ascension...

If nrg lost to "head empty tap heads" team like say PRX , Talon or even DSG and Riddle its fine. They probably are just trying team comp and it didn't work

I think Na/Emea viewer doesn't know how bad rapid lofi is. They got 26-6ed by SKROSSI. This is the equivalent of Geng losing to turtle troop

A viet literally won ascension. Crazyguy in bleed won you know...

And its crazy a Pinoy is talking shit.. TS biggest achievement is beating TL in one game

Tenz(yes i know he retired)

There's off season fking around...

And there's losing to rapid lofi who got beaten like a lofi in Japanese 18+ animation in apac ascension... Wtf is this.

Reverse 12-5 lets fking goo

Nvm just jinxed it

Skrossi and Revenant officially better than NRG. Lofi got 6 now

No i ranked them low because we have a track record of this thing not working... So unless proven otherwise i would rank them low

Because termid keeps blowing up this roster when its at the precipe of glory and it performed worse every single time. Unless he somehow found 3 karons (tbf the additions were solid) i have 0 trust in him.

I was expecting them to be 1st 2 months ago because surely Termi knows something we dont when he kicks buzz. Turns out early looks says nope just more experiments i guess

Blud that 5 months is off season.. 3 months of it are probably primmie fking around in Thailand. And guess what. Kick off is 1 month away

And truth be told i had drx first two months ago because surely, you wont blow up DRX a second(third time if you count foxy for zest) when the roster looks like its finally going to be able to do something.

Surely this time he found like 2 karons (amd hyunmin is a known cracked player) But noo its just termi doing termi thing.. So drx is going to fumble around and miss two masters again

And Talon beat DRX twice
Geng beat PRX
TE beat Geng
Dfm beat TE
Prx beat DFM

Edg lost to everyone

Its a cycle, there's no takeaway from who beat who

People are overrating spg fr. Yes they look good vs tier 2 teams. So did pretty much all the tier 2 teams last year. The only one who did stuff was G2 and that's because their players are actually tier1 and got a significant upgrade in leaf...

Ranking imo based on off season and 2024(silly i know but its the only time we see half of these teams)

1. T1(this is apac fanatic)
2. PRX(learn KJ Jing it's not that hard)
3. Geng(still solid, but foxy needs more work. And idk why Texture is not performing as well with yoman instead of Lakia, but it's off-season so who knows)
4. RRQ(They were the unluckiest team last year and was arguably 5th, and made an upgrade)
5. DFM( Dfm copium but they look good)
6. Talon(How are you getting worse???? You are now actually a one player team)
7. DRX (Severely disappointed in their off season performance )
8. SPG (Great team. Actually not a neon abuser if you actually pay attention to them before asc, But neon do buff them alot ans they lack experience in tier1)
9. Zeta(idk just feel mid)
10. TS (didn't upgrade. Always felt mid)
11. Boom(eh)
12. GE(YOU COULD HAVE MADE AN AMAZING TEAM BUT NOO, BUDGET CONSTRAINT IT IS. Outside of Kristal and Papichulo i dont have faith in this team. If you are not going to make a master going team, JUST SIGN SKROSSI AND FARM THE INDIAN FANBASE)

Alot have been taken from jett and raze since the start of franchising.

Case and point raze satchel speed, Jett second updraft etc.

Both things are going to happen at the same time

In
2022 2023 20242025

With Raze, Jett and Neon nerfs , they are much much weaker than their prime post Chamber meta. Yoru otoh have not been nerfed at all.. And with the phoenix buff(the wall is very huge, walling aside ,theres also a funny gimmick use of it to cancel sova and gecko drones..) are we going to see Yoru Phoenix meta?

Loud did really well with phoenix back in early 2024, and Yoru has appeared as second duelist in some niche maps.. so there's precedent atleast

TS and International Qualifiers
TH and finals

That team had Soulcas now's he's gone.. that's an upgrade

Blud says that when boom and Ge plays today

TL is not MIBR they are different teams with completely different players lil bro

Dear KRU Blaze

You are a very mediocre team and I'm VERY SURPRISED you made it this far, I'm so sorry you had to lose this way.
If only you lost earlier like you SHOULD HAVE, this wouldn't have happened.
I love you all ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

98% of French "people" can read a book in french

2% of Americans can read a book in French

Connect the dots yourself

Suzu is more a Meiy

Yes stop broadcasting t4 matches we dont want to watch lulquid

Genuine question, as Racial minorities especially less prosperous ones are at a massive disadvantage in gaming, they face discrimination and racial slurs when in game. for less prosperous minorities especially they are also inherently held back by society and dont have the same privilege(money) to be able to dedicate themselves to an esport.

For example African Americans are 13% of US population yet there's none of them in tier 1.

Xipto will make it to GF which will fk over my finals lmao. But anything for queen Enerii

That's my question. How does Emea have 6 contender when 5 of them fails to do anything?

Because they have ex masters winner? Because we see good players like Sayf and Suygetsu in the team?

Names dont win game. Bleed have Yay,Zest and sscary and is the worst team in the league.

Because of their history back in 2021/2022? Then zeta is a contender (lol)

If we are talking upset potential, both TS and Talon core have actually done it before unlike these "upset potential teams". T1 actually took a map this year btw against a third place team in dominant manner(its moot though taking maps doesn't matter, winning does)

Emea doesn't have 6 contenders based on their performance. Its 2 at best(Th and Fnatic)

Sure Pacific only have 1 good placement this year outside of GenG
Emea have 0 outside TH
China have 0 outside EDG

Emea most stacked region is an opinion. Without another lock in we wont know that. Amer fans will say they are stacked so will Apac

Point is , seems silly to say Pacific only have 3 competitive teams when thats way more than other leagues except Americas .

Remind me. Outside of TH how many international victories do Emea have that is not against China? Lets not pretend FUT or VIT or KC or even Fnatic did anything in internationals this season.

Atleast pacific have 3 competitive team. Thats higher than two other leagues

Lev was not a superteam. When a mid table team picks up the best player in the world + the weakest piece in a system based champ roster+ a good ascension player, they are not a super team. You wouldn't call Team Secret+ texture + Lakia and Margaret a super team. Or BBL + Derke and Soulcas a super team.

Apart from Aspas back in 2023 the only lev player that was top 3 in the role was Kingg

Compared to fnatic who simply had the best players in each role back then or even NRG with two of America's best supports, One of their best flex, champions mvp (and a washed smoker if we are being honest) Lev is not a superteam.

Ofc lev did way better than NRG. But considering our track records of super teams is 1 success (Fnatic),1 mid (TL) and 1 failure (NRG), there's no guarantee super teams will fail

More like red bull Leipzig, rich but dont do much lmao.

City is the top dog of epl

Blud just hate Asia

2 non Japanese larping with Google translate ☠️

You act like Lotus is not their best map this year...

Without lotus T1 was GE tier