I remember him leaving/ being kicked off of sentinels bc of some sort of rape/abuse accusations? How legit were they, cuz i see he still gets like 2-3K viewers on twitch.
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nothing was every proven, all kinda shoved under the rug. however, you will see places like reddit and some people on here call him a rapist
He may be one of the scummiest piece of shit I have come across but I don't remember any of it getting proven
I dont watch sinatraa that much but why scummy? Sure he has an edgy way of being but it seems like hes just making use of his partially braindead viewerbase so cant really blame him
I dunno man
Everytime I see him he is saying how he is the best
I just don't fw people saying shit like that
It's just a me thing maybe
I said it's not my type of content LMAOOOO
He just sounds like Boostio in my ears
except boostio doesnt keep to himself. sinatraa doesnt even associate with more than 2 or 3 people on his streams and isnt active on soc med
The thing is, In return to #57 this is actively how sexual harassment in social situations/work situations starts. Lines such as "oh it's just how he is", "it's his nature", ETC
A prime example of this would be Russel Brand more recently, Both (Jay and Russel) have a severely not serious and even borderline toxic/arrogant way of putting themselves across, the problem is if you make that your brand but it isn't just a brand and it's actually how you are then it makes other people think "oh having these horrendously bad/problematic traits is okay and I should do it too"
Another example is Johnny Depp, He was celebrated as if he was some hero for defeating the "Abuser" Amber Heard and that he was so strong for what he went through, I wanna first say that I agree with the fact he was abused but I also understand circumstances can change how people act.
People choose specific people to be around and if you are consistently around toxic and arrogant people unironically then that shows what type of person u are or will eventually become no matter how good u are now
TL:DR I'm trying to warn about how seemingly harmless behaviour can lead to more serious issues like sexual harassment. It shows how public figures with problematic behaviour can influence others E.G, Andrew Tate. It stresses the importance of considering the impact of our actions on others and encourages empathy and understanding while recognizing individual differences.
He acts like he doesn’t care about anything and shits on anyone who talks back to him. It’s all a character but people have been hating on him since OW days so it’s nothing too surprising.
Bro is hard exaggerating. You really think he's being serious when he's saying stuff like "I'm in the master bedroom of my mansion, in the second floor" literally everyone knows he's playing a character like PROD does.
Tbf I don't like any of the valo streamers except for the eSports players and my favourite 900 subscribers youtuber
scummy is fucking crazy. he's literally trolling, you really thought he was like babyj?
Probably same thing as DRX ...that slut has a OF now and why and how convenient she recorded those No no thing ?
HES INNOCENT
IF YOU EVER USE WORDS LIKE RAPIST TO HIM AGAIN, I WILL TAKE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS AGAINST YOU.
you got 9 downvotes so you seem to be in the wrong. Also i didnt call him a rapist, i simply asked if the things i heard about him were true. I personally do think he did it though, he sounds like an idiot with his stream titles and i dont think he's 100% mentally stable
It's sad that all this happened to him and we lost such a bright and big character, but on the other hand we might not have gotten Tenz if things were different. All pro players are insanely boring now and just sitting on their paychecks, that in valorant, that in cs actually already too, he would certainly perk everyone up with his audacity
i mean if he was a rapist he shouldnt be allowed to have a career like he has. I don't think anything happened to him that he didn't deserve unless he's proven to be innocent.
you're so fucking american, don't take it so literally you school shooting fuck.
there was no case, no trial so therefore we dont know if he was guilty or innocent. All i said with that comment is that from what i read and heard he is one. So i dont think or feel like anything happened to him that he did not deserve. That is not a sentence given by law so the law "innocent until proven guilty" does not apply here.
so i didn't say anything wrong at all, unless you live your day to day life by this law? have you never had prejudice? heard rumours and believed them?
so shut your inbred redneck ass up
Commend makes a good video on the Sinatraa scenario. Basically, she didn't file a police report and all that ever happened was riot games and sentinels doing private investigations. Sinatraa didn't cooperate at all and made the situation worse. He won't join a t1 team because it will likely hurt their brand and the chance for them to get sponsorships.
ofcourse, who would cooperate with a gaming company over allegations of sexual assault
you think a gaming company can clear someone’s name over accusations of assault? Wow! wonder what judges train 20 years of their lives for!
anybody that works for them should? it's his job, if your company starts an investigation onto you for sexual harrasment against a co worker then you'd cooperate too if you were smart.
if he didn't do it then he didn't have anything to hide and thus wouldnt lose his job
no, I wouldnt, I wouldnt trust a gaming company to work through the details of a sexual assault case, I turn to the law, like sinatraa did
then you're dumb.
just do both, i'm not saying let Riot decide your sentence but why wouldn't you cooperate enough so they get the same facts as the police? if he is innocent he could easily have done both
laywers reccomend not to work with other investigations even if they're innocent to have a better case in court.
so? that didn't matter in this instance because there was no case against him. His girlfriend apperantly didnt report it nor did she press charges from what i read.
no but she kept saying she was going to until she gave up at the end. sinatraa and his laywer were obv prepared for that. independent investigations from organizations are unreliable since they might try to cover it up or get rid of you unfairly and even if riot said that they didnt find anything illegal, their words dont matter at all. cant really blame him cuz he did the right thing.
it still remains stupid. He could have easily handed over everything he and his lawyers prepared in case there was an actual trial to riot after his ex gave up. That way Riot was happy and he didn't lose his job. (he would still lose it the year after cuz he sucks but that's that)
u do not give ur evidence to a third party bro cmon, this aint no cheating allegation but an SA allegation. he listened to his legal team (PROFESSIONALS) and did the smart thing. riot themselves have had issues with sexual harrasement before so going to them seems quite stupid. btw he was one of the best players in NA at the time and had received offers after the incident. he got banned for 6 months and had to do some training at riot and was cleared so he CAN play.
Anyways
he listened to his legal team. Ex didnt want to continue the case and thats it. 2 immature people got into a relationship and fucked it up (dms were insane).
braindead take, are you his lawyers? why would he listen to you instead of them
wtf are you on about idiot. he's saying Sinatraa's lawyers told him not to work with other investigations
he would literally have been on NRG this past season if they hadn't gotten Demon1
I thought he cooperated with the police and not riot, but I could be tripping
He didn’t cooperate with the investigation which didn’t help his case at all. If he was truly innocent I think he would have tried to clear his name by cooperating. Just my opinion
Yeah but imagine you are gonna be debuting as the star player of a roster in a new game and everything is set but somehow the relationship u were in ends and then u are accused to being a rapist , tell me would u have the mental to co-operate on an investigation about u at that current moment or would it be hard , also he did break down while streaming , rapists hardly do that
I can imagine it and would still cooperate because that would prove my innocence. With allegations that heavy, especially coming from someone very close to me, I would be very driven to prove my innocence. Everything about the situation would be hard ofc, but that's not an excuse to not cooperate with police after saying "I have the video and it proves I'm innocent" yet he never shows the video (most likely bc his lawyer saw it and said it could actively hurt his case).
As for him breaking down on stream, it is sad to watch bc it does look genuine tbh. But ngl you would still probably break down by being called a rapists by thousands of ppl in chat whether or not you actually were a rapists or not. The ppl chatting that night probably said some horrible fucking shit.
Him breaking down doesn’t necessarily mean he didn’t do it, maybe he’s regretful it happened in the moment doesn’t mean he’s innocent.
Technically nothing is proven so I think he's free to play if he gets signed. I think he probs did that shit given what the girl released but innocent until proven guilty and all. As for the twitch numbers you could kill a guy in cold blood but if you're skilled/entertaining people will watch and support you
Don't u believe that might have been taken out of context like u know couples usually do bullshit kind of roleplaying and stuff u know , it might have been recorded at that time
Did he ever say that was the case? I could be wrong, but I don't think he even publicly addressed the audio recordings outside of a blanket "out of context"-esque statement.
The ball is in his court with the evidence, until he provides some context to them that would make them less bad, occam's razor suggests they're true.
I heard the audio and it sounded way too playful to conclude anything of meaning
Mate he was just alleged and tho there was an audio recording of some sort there fact is it might have been forged as well or it was taken out of context as well cause if her proof was so good and reliable wouldn't u ever want to go to a court or police and get the guy for good cause u know there was no case filed or anything as such and u wouldn't definitely like to see ur assualter regain his fame and trust in the community after some years if that incident had really happened and moreover that girl proceeded a year later to become an OF model (thus no reliability on her) and it was actually rape or something like that then definitely Sinatra couldn't have just paid her to not file anything, looks more of drama and fake allegations bro
well for one thing you need to use some more commas and dots brother.
I asked this because i had no idea of what happened so i didn't know if a case was filed or that she has an OF. Still doesn't mean he didnt rape her tho. He seems like the guy that would do it just from what i see online, he might be playing a character or acting like he is but he doesn't come across very stable*-
Some may call me ignorant, but I'm genuinely just asking here. If people have proof that someone did something criminal, why don't they just take it to the police instead of trying to make that person face justice on twitter of all places?
Tbh it’s very hard to prove something like that, regardless of it did happen or it didn’t
that's true, I'm just saying regardless, twitter is one of the worst places to do it
Why? if someone raped you and you couldn’t prove it but you both know it happened, wouldn’t you want to punish that person somehow?
It’s dangerous af, to believe someone just because, but it’s also natural af to want to bring the person that did that to you down
Imagine the feeling of someone doing that to you and you not being able to prove it ever happened
If we are talking about what I would want personally if I was wronged/SA I would want that person in prison ASAP. And there would be no better way than settling that matter with the police.
But everyone deals with situations like these differently so maybe some people do believe bringing it on twitter is the best way their abuser can get punished. I'm not in any position to judge.
But what is the police supposed to do? You have a bf, he rapes you, you were both obviously alone and you obviously didn’t film it? Wtf is the police gonna do? He’s not gonna get any punishment otherwise
What's bringing it to twitter going to do? There's going to be people taking both sides (especially since Sinatraa is a popular streamer) and all it will do is cause both parties to be harassed. Settling this shit in private is what I would do, but if some people believe that taking the matter to the hell that is twitter is better then that's there choice and I don't think it's wrong, it's just not what I would do. As I said before, I can't judge because I haven't been in a SA victim's shoes before.
If you can't prove it making it public is the only way to punish your aggressor. And, what is it gonna do? The better question is, what did it do? Look at Sinatra's competitive career, it sure as hell worked
Yeah, the one part I can agree on is that it did ruin his Competitive career. Thing is, he didn't get punished by the law at all, still has a sizeable fan base, and is still making money streaming to this day. Not much of a punishment if you ask me, if Sinatraa was a rapist, I would say that he got off scott-free in comparison to the consequences he should of received.
Not to mention the trauma it caused to the person who accused Sinatraa. It didn't work out for either party imo.
I do agree on that, it probably affected her way more than she thought. Maybe looking at it now she regrets it and would have just rather moved on, but Ig in that moment is only natural to want to bring him down
He's just saying that if you know for a fact you got raped but you don't have 100% proof that you were how would you get revenge.
Some people would want to take revenge in a physical way, or by damaging their property, or by calling them out for what they are. Realistically if you know you were raped why are people so mad at you for talking about the truth online?
I know there are false accusations, which are fucked, but that doesn't mean you should think all people bringing up allegations are lying unless they have 100% proof.
Can she not bring the full audio clip or text messages to the police? She had evidence right, a lot of it was posted on twitter.
Never said that all people who make these accusations online are lying. I just said I don't think I would've done the same thing, but I'm NOT judging her for doing so.
Sinatraa is a piece of shit, but we don't know if he's a rapist and there was much more of a chance to convict him (especially with the evidence she posted on twitter) if she at least attempted to cooperate with the police (apparently she didn't even try to file a report).
I think she didn't because the evidence she had was not nearly enough to convict someone. Probably asked a lawyer and was told there wasn't much to do
Non-consensual audio recordings (meaning, she would have had to get his consent before recording) wouldn't be admissible as evidence in court as they violate 2-party consent laws (assuming the incident happened in CA).
This would mean that her entire case would be based off of the text messages, which wouldn't be enough proof to meet the threshold to not have your case dismissed.
Not to mention lawyers in America are expensive af. Twitter is likely your only course for any sort of retribution assuming everything is true.
That's fair, thanks for answering the question. I wish she at least tried to file a police report, but I digress. I guess we will never know if he was a SA or not which kind of fucking sucks. No one was able to get their justice.
they ruined his career, but he is happy and rich being a streamer
the ones who lost are us
who will not see him in competitive again
what a damn sadness :(
Nothing proven, but we did see proof of him being an absolute dick so Ig you can go off of that.
I actually think the main problem here is that he refused to collaborate with the investigation which is just not a good look.
Regardless proving things like this is basically impossible unless you have some type of witness. But we can’t just assume everyone guilty. We kinda need to accept we can never know what actually happened
he chose to cooperate with police, not Riot I believe (I wouldn't trust RIot either imo)
Riot did NOT like that at all lol and the rest is history
no reason not to collaborate with Riot, I think that kinda just sentenced him
Really? With a case as big as this and involving SA, you would work with RIOT? If there was one thing Sinatraa did right in this, it's not choosing to work with Riot over an SA case and only choosing to work with actual law enforcement.
TBH if I was in his situation I'd probably suspect that Riot has some form of PR pressure to side with the victim
If he was cleared there would be a very likely chance people would accuse Riot of letting him off based on status
NOT SAYING I WOULDN'T COOPERATE, just trying to make sense of why someone would hesitate to comply with Riot
Sinatraa is too rich to care (OWL + streamer money) and unless he pursues the game hard no one is going to want to sign him in franchising with all the talent in the pool so he's gonna forever be a question mark unless something drastic changes
Glazing another man is crazy. "Hes so rich omg" GAWK GAWK GAWK "Hes so talented when he tried" GAWK GAWK GAWK
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shits too boring now
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i swear doesnt his ex now do OF or something? Like I'm pretty sure victims tend not to go an do OF after being r*ped no? Seemed like clout move
Hes the most boring and insufferable streamer, BUT Nothing was proven. His ex didnt show up to court im pretty sure.
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