someone bring shack back

Never on his channel, he does join Knekro's stream fairly often. But then again, he also joined SergioFerra's stream fairly often aswell

No, the costreams are not on his channel anymore, they are on Knekro's who gets similar numbers between 50 and 80k.
Ibai joins the stream whenever he feels like it but never opens stream in his channel

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KOI had one of the highest investments in the scene the first year, more than M8 this year. After that they have had serious internal issues and carried those massive contracts which didn’t allow them to properly build.

Those issues were resolved and KOI was ready to make a massive push now. And Riot knows first hand KOI is very much competent because they are their current LEC champs. It was exceptional circumstances not coasting at all

Maybe in the short term they did. But 1 they just set an awful precedent for everyone else giving in to M8 demands and 2 Really upset KOI who they’re forced to keep doing business with because they are a massive part of LEC

Brother half of EMEA's teams don't have a costream above 5k viewers. KOI had one of 10/20k. The costreaming was never the issue.

Warnings about Ibai not being the one streaming, he was off on a mental break. The issue comes after that, KOI offered a solution which Riot seemed to agree with, according to this they were never told "the solution was not good enough" and that is because the solution was indeed good enough Riot just used it becuause they needed to make a spot for M8 and they couldn't break any other teams contract

So they're competent in one game and retarded in the other? KOI have had many many issues with their mergers that have resulted in many weird rosters, but all those issues are resolved now, and no I do not believe M8 are more competent to make a roster for next year, KOI was legit getting ready to make a huge push this year spending a lot of money.

You're being deluisional because you want koi in the league and I understand that but Riot are not doing ts just for the fun and giggles, they have good reasons to assume that m8s are a better org in valorant than koi

Ofc they do, I've said many times I agree, but it's not because they're more competent, it's because M8 are arguably the most popular org in EMEA. I'm just saying 2 things. 1. If Riot could they would have chosen someone different than KOI, but they couldn't and 2. The reason has nothing to do with results or competence but with M8's numbers

In January 2025, Riot reportedly sent the first real warning to the organization, notifying KOI of its contractual breaches. A few months later, in May, Riot met with Fernando Piquer, Chief Strategy Officer of OverActive, in Berlin to once again discuss these issues. Piquer then outlined the projects and processes the team had implemented to address the situation. From KOI’s perspective, no further warnings came after that meeting. On the contrary, the organization says it had been working actively with Riot on the 2026 bundle, which gave them the impression that their place in the league was no longer in jeopardy

https://www.sheepesports.com/en/articles/valorant-vct-emea-koi-the-reasons-behind-the-exclusion/en

Next thing they heard after this was a random meeting being called telling them you're out and we anounce it tomorrow

That is factually incorrect and Riot knows it. KOI are the current LEC champions and Riot knows they're very much competent, also they're forced to keep working with KOI even if they don't want to. M8 just has more viewers and out of all of the VCT teams they could only find a loophole on KOI's contract to terminate it. I can guarantee if they could they would have chosen someone else

It's a dynamic thing, it happens a lot in traditional sports. I'm sure you know a team where every player they sign plays like ass and when they leave they're actually good, I can think of many but maybe the most clear one is Manchester United.

It's not a coach thing, it's not a player thing, it's like a team dynamic thing, when things don't work, they just fucking don't

how so

It's because their contract stated Ibai had to be the one streaming but he stepped down from all watchparties due to mental health so they replaced him with someone else, not as big but better than most other teams.

Either way that's just the excuse Riot found because they had to kick someone to get M8 in and exploiting that loophole was the only way to do it, they couldn't kick anyone else

They're on SergioFFerra's stream not on Ibai's anymore and they costream every single game not just KOI's ranging from like 10k to 20k viewers. Much more than GX and TH for example that are around 5k. And a bunch of others, does NAVI have costreamers for example?

They have a whole ass studio and a much bigger costream than 80% of VCT EMEA, that's not the issue

More competent how? Acomplishing the exact same with more money? Don't sound like competence to me

You clearly don't understand the situation. Didn't purposely break the contract, a situation happened and they tried to fix it. The 2 parts reached a solution that was better than what most other orgs offered and Riot was cool with it until M8 lost their spot, so they just used loophole and without allowing KOI to manuver they kicked them. They didn't have a new contract but they had an understanding. Yes if it's not in the contract Riot can do what they want, but it's like breaking a verbal agreement, it's not illegal but it's bad faith

And, YES, Yes they were misled

Piquer then outlined the projects and processes the team had implemented to address the situation. From KOI’s perspective, no further warnings came after that meeting. On the contrary, the organization says it had been working actively with Riot on the 2026 bundle, which gave them the impression that their place in the league was no longer in jeopardy.

https://www.sheepesports.com/en/articles/valorant-vct-emea-koi-the-reasons-behind-the-exclusion/en

Also they told them yesterday and anounced it today without allowing them to properly comunicate it. I'm sorry but if you can't see the bad faith here, I can't help you

Correct, it's just the only loophole they could find, the real reaosn was they wanted M8

No that's not what they said

In January 2025, Riot reportedly sent the first real warning to the organization, notifying KOI of its contractual breaches. A few months later, in May, Riot met with Fernando Piquer, Chief Strategy Officer of OverActive, in Berlin to once again discuss these issues. Piquer then outlined the projects and processes the team had implemented to address the situation. From KOI’s perspective, no further warnings came after that meeting. On the contrary, the organization says it had been working actively with Riot on the 2026 bundle, which gave them the impression that their place in the league was no longer in jeopardy.

https://www.sheepesports.com/en/articles/valorant-vct-emea-koi-the-reasons-behind-the-exclusion/en

KOI did not get several warnings, they got one. They had a meeting with Riot and offered a solution Riot accepted until they realized kicking KOI was the only way to get M8 in and that's dealing in bad faith. And Riot knows why KOI didn't perform in Valorant and that they are competent. KOI is always good in all of the games they compete in

Ibai not costreaming was just the excuse, Ibai literally offered to comeback. They just needed to kick someone to get M8 in and KOI was the only choice because of that clause

You do see M8 placed below KOI this split right?

In 2 years M8 have not made playoffs once, so as I said, just as shit as KOI in 3 years. Is not like the difference is that big

Riot very much knows KOI has an extremely competent management, and they know it first hand because KOI are the current LEC champions in LOL, Riot knows the circumstances why they underperformed in Valorant, but the org is more than competent.

And yes M8 has better numbers than KOI but KOI has better numbers than most other orgs and a bigger costream even without Ibai

Am I wrong tho

Some of them do, some of them I can guarantee you they don't. And also then don't use the costream as an excuse

Oh really so since KOI is shit let's kick them out and bring in M8 instead who are just as terrible. What a wonderful plan

KOI broke the contract first they have zero grounds to complain

Brother, reread the whole thread again you're clearly very very lost if that's what you think. Ibai stepped down due to mental health, KOI fixed it providing a better costream than most teams and Riot used their ability to deem the solution not good enough as a loophole to terminate the contract when Riot very much knows that's not the reason.

Yes it's dealing in bad faith, and yes as much as Riot can terminate the contract, KOI has the right to complain as much as the want

You're making a mistake. Yes KC gets 50K, yes M8 gets 100k. But that does not make 12/20k low. How much does GX get? TH? NAVI? Does FNC have a costream? Does VIT have one? (I genuinely don't know) I don't imagine Sliggy gets more than 20k for TL. So what we can comfortably say there are 2 teams with bigger costreams? The turks probably too idk tbh I haven't checked

I think you're confused, KOI does not have low sales compared to other teams, does not have low viewers compared to other teams. They only have low numbers compared to previous years KOI.

It just came down to a KOI vs M8 and M8 is just fucking huge. But if they had a choice KOI vs GX for example I do not believe they would have kicked KOI, they just didn't have that choice

1 Mixwell is with OTK not TH and SergioFFerra is by far the second biggest Spanish streamer so they literally couldn't sign anyone better than Sergio. Also they costreamings were fucking great, they had a whole a production studio to do the matches and much better numbers than 80% of other EMEA orgs.

2 As we already concluded this has nothing to do with the costreaming, it has to do with the fact that they would rather have M8 than KOI, even if KOI was the second most valuable org for them(not saying they were) M8 was higher on the priority list. It's just unfair imo

I'm not saying KOI would pull out of LEC, I'm saying you're breaking the trust and dealing in bad faith with someone you're forced to keep doing business for a long time, it's just not a fucking good idea.

There's a big difference between insulting a random dude in the street and insulting a coworker you have to keep seeing everyday

Yes I understand the situation and yes I understand Riot's choice. Doesn't make what they did to KOI any less shitty and dealing in bad faith like they did today and giving in to blackmail is just a fucking terrible precedent.

Also I do not believe for a second if M8 didn't get a spot now and Riot called them next year they would say no, not a fucking chance

Why would KOI even want to play in Ascension

What is that supposed to mean. Ofc it wasn't the plan but this dude is saying why can't KOI Fenix compete in ascension now that they have been kicked and the answer amongst other things is that they're pulling out like this guys says

That argument makes no sense brother. Sure KOI's numbers are down compared to KOI standards, but I can guarantee you here in Spain not even adding the other 2 Spanish orgs TH and GX they can get remotely close to the fanbase KOI has. Even without Ibai KOI is massively beneficial for the scene which can't afford to loose anymore viewers

KOI obviously haven't been great, I understand why Riot doesn't want them in the circuit but they handled this in a really shit way imo.

I agree but is not like M8 have been any better? They fucking suck too xD

That being said I totally understand sacrificing KOI was their only choice to get M8 in and that's why they did it, but I just think it's a terrible mistake

1 Yes, Obviously but the man quit due mental health, what is KOI supposed to do in that situation

2 There's also the Riot part here do they really wanna fight KOI? KOI is one of the main reason why the LEC is alive and they can't just get rid of them there. Is it really a good choice for Riot to piss them off like this?

KOI do not have bad numbers at all. Yes they do not have a 100K stream anymore but they do have a 10/20K one which is more than most EMEA orgs have.

And yes they haven't been good competitively but, 1. Neither has M8 who have been sucking just as much for 2 years now, and 2. Riot very much knows KOI not being competitive was due certain internal situations now resolved, KOI are the current LEC champions, Riot knows they are a very competent org

That being said I understand they would prefer M8, yes, but they're showing they only care about numbers and if that's the case letting go of KOI is just a very bad choice

This has nothing to do with KOI's performance. They're giving the spot to M8 who have been sucking just as much for 2 years now

I'm not sure KOI wants to be involved in the next partnership cycle atp. And the relationship breaking is a big issue because KOI have an LEC spot and that doesn't just go away like this one. I actually don't understand what's Riots problem with KOI as an org but they definitely have one. The way KOI gets treated in LEC you can tell there's an issue with them.

This is not a deportive decision, but it's also crazy in that aspect because Riot very much knows the difficulties KOI has had in VCT and how they are solved now. They know KOI is more than capable to be competitive because they're literally the current LEC champions, Riot knows they're more than competent

I forget exactly where but directly from KOI, either Ibai or SergioFFerra. It's not what I was referring to but they also said something like, they were happy with the alternative until M8 lost their spot

I don't think they were able to get BBL out but if they could have maybe they would have. I don't think the decision is related to performance because if we're being honest it's not like M8 doesn't fucking suck aswell, they lost their spot for a reason.

And basically KOI's contract said if Ibai didn't stream they had to provide a suitable alternative, which they did, but in order to terminate the contract they basically arbitrarily said "the alternative is not suitable" and kicked them straight away with no warning. Ibai literally offered to comeback and they refused.

I don't think Riot had a choice, using that loophole was the only way to get M8 in

No it doesn't. KOI had a costreaming, a much bigger one than most EMEA orgs and costreamed all games not just theirs. It's just that the clause said it had to be Ibai the one costreaming but Ibai stepped down from all costreamings due to mental health this year. It's just a loophole to get M8 in

KOI is the biggest org in Spain and did not do any of those 3 things mentioned and they still found a way tp terminate it. Who tf knows anymore

It's not that simple. The loophole was that they had a clause where it was Ibai who had to be doing the costreaming or provide a "suitable" alternative. However Ibai decided to step down from costreaming all games (Valorant and LOL) and cut in 1/3rd his streaming hours for his mental health. KOI provided a more than suitable substitute in SergioFFerra, (much bigger costreams than TH and GX)

Riot just decided to arbitrarily deem the alternative "not suitable" in order to get M8 in.

Imo it's just very fucked up, Ibai stepped down from all costreams for his mental, is not like he was streaming something else

They were desperate to get M8 in and the only way was taking adventage of loophole in KOI's contract. Sets an awful precedent imo

That's not true but regardless them being bad has nothing to do with it. They're gonna give the spot to M8 who fucking sucks too, it's not about performance

It's definitely very unfaithful. They were just that desperate to get M8 in

I understand that it's to get M8 in, but how does that make it any better? Basically they found a loophole in KOI's contract to kick them out and get M8 in. What kind of stability does Franchising provide if Riot is doing this kind of thing?

Also can't even argue "performance" anymore because M8 fucking sucks too. It's all about viewers and numbers and if viewers and numbers is what you want then KOI is not anywhere close to worse in the league. They're much bigger than the 2 other spanish orgs for example.

I understand it had to be KOI because they're the only ones with the loophole in the contract but man it's really fucked up