ty for response both above and below

in the first round of america why did kru get a bye, did someone drop out or smtn?

I won't disagree but a fair underdog pick for this argument is (https://www.vlr.gg/player/20871/kada) i looked after he got benched from Gentle Mates and his agent pool is fucking insane

how do so many people not take 2 seconds to see the massive parody account

I mean everyone likes to talk a load of shit about asuna do they give him the same pass saying "bUt hE plAys TejO and GeKko"

if a straight 1kd on jett is performing the best then good luck for the rest of the roster LMAO

The best way to explain this is probably EG when they won champs because all of the players left and even though everyone wanted them most of them couldn't perform to nearly the same level as when they were in EG, Potter made the EG players good because she played to their strengths and it worked but the difference between good system and good normal players is majority of system players need potter to do like above to play better than others a good example of a system player was yay because fns was a great igl at the time and used him to his major strengths and it won them games and put yay in the spotlight, opposite would be someone like less or meteor who has moved around and still looks to the same level as he did at the beginning (this is my perspective of system vs normal if u disagree womp womp)

Neither of them were performing

Ahhh with this comment i understand, but it still says TL is up 1-0?????? why even cancel at that stage I don't get it..
Edit: ty for genuine answer btw

That's all i've been seeing and i saw this too (https://x.com/ZE1SHH/status/1915838484817862981) i'm lost as hell on what happened

I'm not chronically online what happened and why is everyone pissed at leo??

I mean there's actually a great example of that happening in the U.S right now to be fair.

I wanted to elaborate on a few points because while they are good examples, they lack some context. Regarding the Uyghurs in China, I don’t think the situation compares directly to France, Poland, or other examples. There’s a consistent theme of the Chinese government targeting anyone who disagrees with the CCP's ideology, rather than specifically targeting the Uyghurs for extermination or imprisonment. While this doesn’t make the situation better, it’s an important distinction to recognize.

Now, about France's recent election: they made a commendable decision by collaborating with the second and third biggest parties to prevent Marine Le Pen of the National Rally (formerly known as the National Front) from gaining a majority. Macron and other parties agreed to step down in districts where they were unlikely to win and vice versa. I believe that if she had been in power, her policies would have been significantly harsher on immigrants compared to Macron and others.

On the topic of burkinis, your assertion that "France banned them" is factually incorrect. The bans in Cannes, Nice, and Sisco were local government decisions, which were later challenged and repealed by courts for violating civil liberties, including freedom of movement and religious freedom. This outcome should be viewed positively because it illustrates that legal safeguards were effective against overreach by local governments. It doesn’t indicate a deep-rooted Islamophobia in France; rather, it reflects poor decisions by local officials that were appropriately rectified.

Regarding your claim that the AfD is the biggest far-right party in Europe, the measurement is key. The AfD has never ruled the parliament or been part of a coalition with power. In contrast, the PVV in the Netherlands has successfully formed a coalition government, which grants them much more influence. Similarly, Fratelli d’Italia (Brothers of Italy), led by Giorgia Meloni, is currently part of the ruling coalition, which also gives them more authority than a party without any seats at the table. Additionally, it’s worth noting that the AfD's leader was recently banned from standing in elections due to an embezzlement case. Many supporters seem to be more aligned with her personally than with the party itself, which could lead to a decline in the AfD's influence.

Lastly, I want to touch on the Swiss minaret ban. You provided an accurate overview, and it’s important to understand the context behind it. The controversy originated in 2005 when a local Turkish cultural association sought a permit to build a minaret on its community center. This was met with local opposition, leading to delays and claims of religious bias from the Turkish association. The initial opposition started locally but escalated to a national law that restricts religious expression. This contrasts with the situation in France, where the burkinis ban was ultimately overturned. Thank you for the discussion; I’ve learned a lot in the process!

It's interesting to note that 6.0% of the total population in the U.K. are followers of Islam, according to 2021 data (though these figures may have changed since then).

Even in my area, I see many people from this community. Given their significant population, one would expect a greater acceptance and integration of their culture, especially in contrast to a country like Japan, where the Muslim population is just 0.18% (based on 2020 statistics).

I'm honestly baffled by how clear these facts are, yet the opposite effect seems to occur. Instead of embracing and learning about their culture and ideologies, many people express a desire to exclude them. While I understand that this is not typically the most proactive approach in the U.K., it is still quite concerning to see how profoundly ignorant many people are regarding this issue.

I kept saying Demon1 wasn't going to be the same on other teams than EG and finally it's here, I'm glad I got so much shit at the time for it.

i remember when the manager of the misfits was doing that to people and they justified it "because he's just like that" and then turns out he was abusive (shocker)

considering the politics being played maybe not for long

Not disagreeing/agreeing with your point but I want to ask a question to do with "riot made GC for all marginalised genders"

If riot did make it for marginalised genders why are they now partnering with an event sponsored by people who fundamentally deny certain marginalised genders existences and end up torturing and killing them in their own country.

also, I genuinely don't think Flor is overhyped I think she looks like a duelist to the same calibre as Mada on NRG with the fragging potential and she has an amazing team supporting her, she drops good numbers, has good pathing, etc.

The issue isn't solely about Riot supporting this initiative, nor is it just about Saudi funding. It's the combination of both factors that raises concern. Riot, through its Game Changers program, appears to want to "support and protect marginalized people." However, by participating in an event in a country where rules exist that could endanger those marginalized individuals—especially if the police discover their true identities—there is a serious problem regardless of how you approach it.

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The second I open this post I see someone getting upvoted for the exact same thing I'm saying in different words.

2023/01/19 is when demon1 joined, they had a qf finish in lock-in which u can argue was too soon for demon1 to be integrated as it was only a month after he joined, but then even throughout the season they lost to teams like furia, lev and 100 thieves all of the above either scraped through like EG did on 4 wins 5 losses or missed out entirely on qualifying.

you say "watch the games" but u literally got the wrong placement in regionals, they finished third behind both LOUD and NRG.

you say "watch the games" but u didn't think to mention that in the masters where they placed so highly they beat a fallen off their prime DRX who looked severely washed, a fut which shouldn't even have qualified for the tournament, Loud which to their credit they genuinely just played a good game against and a 100thieves who for the past 3 years have looked so mid a team like rankers nowadays genuinely looks like they'd win against them.

in the champs that they did win they had by far the easiest route to the grand final with every single team that finished top 4 but them being on the opposite side of the bracket than them by now, EDG did not look nearly as good as they do now and DRX had began their fall off.

As i said in my first comment, They were mid the entire year, finishing 4/5 in regular season, proceeding this, they get some of the nicest seeds for brackets imaginable and beat 1 team which were falling off and 2 which shouldn't even have been there. What part of this provides "They are a strong consistent contender for success", From the dictionary itself a "fluke" is an unexpected stroke of good luck, No doubt in my mind the players were good to be able to win, but they had a serious amount of unexpected good luck to help them along their way.

All of this is factual information, The only thing that's conjecture or subjective is your comments which base off placements rather than the route taken, It would be pretty easy for a Football, Rugby, Etc team to get to the finals of their respective events considering their opponents are a consistent class below them, It doesn't take away their win but it's not exactly something to be praised for.

it's bold to even assume they were good in the first place, they were mid the entire year and then magically become good for their one massive win, It was clear imo it was a fluke (due to the fact it couldn't be replicated because even the players didn't know how they did so good)

U didn't prove anything in regards to "I proved, he and many other pros do..." u said instances where one person has said something possibly toxic and mentioned multiple of those times with different people, none of those people are toxic characters who have consistently been toxic apart from maybe boostio and some of the old EG boys other than him, but the same argument can be made, It is clear it's all for show with those people, I could believe Ethan and Boostios rivalry could be real but once again that is them pushing each other and it will only lead to both getting better in the long run, once again I mentioned it doesn't matter to me who is being toxic, it matters to me fully how someone is being toxic.

there is a fundamental difference between Boostio and Ethans toxicity and N4rrates, N4rrate gets mad that people jiggle too much in a deathmatch where no one is watching, where whether he dies a few extra times to bs doesn't matter, if u ask any good pro for advice they would say "why tf do u care what other people are doing, just focus on yourself", n4rrate doesn't get that while Ethan and Boostio have a rivalry because they were teammates and now they both want to prove one another is better, there will be times where Ethan has had to sit down and tell himself that he's better than Boostio but he needs to prove it or no one will notice it, That is confidence, When he proves it then he has the right to talk shit, Narrate has achieved nothing yet notable in his career and to be as cocky and overconfident while having so many very noticable flaws shows how truly delusional he's being in regards to the truth.

"They know they're bad they just rely on individual plays" None of this statement is inherently toxicity, Toxicity is "abusive or disrespectful behaviour exhibited by players towards other players in online multiplayer games", you can argue it's disrespectful but considering Zellsis came out after they lost and said (paraphrasing) "yeah we played shit, we need to work on it", It's sadly just Leaf's read of Sentinels and it turned out to be the truth too, It's important to notice these small differences because how people act especially in their position is important.

the fact zellsis replies to it is wild

As I've said above, We aren't talking about N4rrate on mad lions or kcorp or anything else, we are talking about his behaviour now same goes for Zellsis, It's blatantly obvious Zellsis is a Tyler1 type character and he is messing around when he's toxic not actually being toxic, yes that can spiral into a problem or a suspension if people don't "get it" and don't understand someone's character yet but if u cannot see the difference between Zellsis and N4rrate now then I would personally ask u to get your eyes checked.

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"In this clip you’ve show N4arrate says “shoot the eye dumbass” whilst he’s playing fade…" Now you're just completely lying about the context to protect the argument, He says "braindead, braindead, BREAK THE EYE DUMBASS" no one secure in themselves needs to call anyone else a dumbass or braindead as proven in players like Zekken, Aspas, S0m, and countless other secure valorant players in the scene not needing to trash talk others to feel good about themselves, They know they are good and that's enough for them, You're also acting as though because it's not towards his team or him it's not toxic? are u okay that argument is a very easy one to dismantle and going into your argument of "omg but everyone trash talks" I don't agree with their trash talk either but it's what childish valorant fans want, so it's what most (prod, sinaatraa, shanks, etc) will give them and it creates a horrible community of racism, sexism and toxicity normally happening and being universally accepted.

"what is this other than over confidence which is perfectly fine to have?" this isn't "Confidence", that word is fully based on the person themselves, whether they have confidence either in themselves or their team if they do that's fine, but once again just because G2 are looking great right now it doesn't mean they are calling all other America's teams a "low level of talent" it's just fundamentally a stupid statement that only someone who wants to get in your head or an insecure person would say and in a game like this fundamentally u should never be overconfident because overconfidence means u aren't reviewing the circumstances logically and rather relying on cognitive bias' and neglecting facts, considering there was a low level of talent and SEN went out it shows how overconfident n4rrate was in reality.

"inherent distaste and bias against narrate." if u believe that go ahead, I won't try to disprove you, If u rather look at the person and strawman rather than debate the facts then it's inherently useless to debate you to begin with anyway because you will just attack character, expectations, misconstrue arguments, etc to make your point fundamentally seem stronger through character assassination and whatnot while it in fact isn't

Edit: U also didn't even try to disprove the main point which was the consistency of his toxicity, all over your response was "everyone is toxic, why is this person being toxic a problem" imagine saying that to a victim of domestic abuse, I'm sure that would go down well.

First things first, does Zellsis have a history of slamming desks in ranked matches when the outcomes don't really matter? Has he displayed a pattern of toxicity, including using slurs and behaving poorly towards other professionals in the scene? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhPtOQwgvpI).

It's not just the sighing that indicates a mentality problem; it's the consistency of his behavior. While one instance of poor behavior can be forgiven, when patterns form—such as in the clip showing him being toxic, sighing, and getting extremely tilted in ranked—it's indicative of a deeper issue. At the start of the event, he also stated, "There are no good teams in this event. The level of play is low."

Regarding your point about "overemphasis," I mentioned both Bang and N4rrate. However, I can only comment based on what I observe. I haven't seen Bang do anything problematic, which is why I don't have concerns about him, but I do regarding N4rrate.

I never claimed that this was the primary reason for the team's poor performance; I clearly stated that I believed it was "a problem," not the sole reason for their struggles. I also emphasized that "this situation is different because there's a genuinely personal issue on N4rrate's side that needs to be addressed." This issue isn't solely about Sentinels; it's personal. However, it can still impact games and scrims, affecting how other players perceive his attitude.

It's important to remember that when there are five people on a team, and all five are trying their hardest, they can lift each other’s performance. But if one individual keeps getting tilted, calling others "braindead," trolling, and being toxic, it can seriously hinder the motivation of the rest of the team. The same concept applies to a professional team. Their mentalities may be stronger, but they aren't immune to these issues.

"This was never mentioned during his time at Karmine Corp." While it matters how he is acting on Sentinels, the focus should be on his current behaviour rather than how he behaved at Karmine Corp. If you want to argue why it may not have been brought up, it's worth noting that Karmine Corp has a long history of having seriously toxic ultras and fans in League.

I also agree with what #18 says: Zellsis shows that he is invested and wants to win that round. I've reacted similarly in my past games, but I've never intentionally kept my mic on to sigh into it. That is a conscious action, and at that point, you're just bringing down the vibes.

Edit. I wanted to add this as extra since u are clearly not convinced, I think it's fair to say Aspas has a good mentality and u can see the differences here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKOaqhvwSVQ (N4RRATE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg34KQ9DVWU (Aspas)
Both DM vods, One is five minutes, one is 50 minutes and I guarantee you without watching Aspas' that N4rrate complains 10x more than Aspas in 5 minutes than Aspas does in that 50 minute vod.

He has a significant mentality problem. I remember a moment during a professional match, possibly against MIBR or just before that game, when he sighed into the microphone. Zellsis shouted at him not to make those sighs and to stop that behaviour, reminding him that they had it under control. I understand that times can get tough in some games, but actions like that are not characteristic of a tier-one player, regardless of how you look at it, in my opinion.

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSHKrngMD2s) is where the quote comes from, "We don't have much confidence in each other," he would never have said that about Tenz and Sacy. I'm wondering if the arrival of Bang and Narrate has made a difference in this regard, especially with Narrate sighing on the mic. John, Zellsis, and Zekken still appear unchanged to me. The only potential issue seems to be Bang and Narrate having differing ideas.

In a situation reminiscent of when (https://www.vlr.gg/player/5004/nathan-bocqueho) was allegedly dropped from Leviatan due to having "differing ideas" with both Net and the coaching staff (if I recall correctly), I believe that having a good team requires diverse perspectives. If you want to succeed, it's essential to have players who think differently. I can guarantee that players like Aspas, Derke, Leo, and Nats are all incredible talents, but they will have different ideas compared to outstanding players like Less, Mako, and Meteor, who each excel in their own right, This situation is different because there's a genuinely personal reason on narrates side that needs to be solved in himself, The team cannot help with that unlike with Nathan where he was dropped for differing ideas which imo is just fundamentally stupid for the reasons shared above.

TL:DR, Nothing else changed and Zellsis has been having to really whip narrate into shape on stage, imo that shows he is the problem. I think the best course of action would be to try and get Narrate up to shape quickly and if he isn't there by stage 2 personally I'd drop him and get a new player in.

no replies and -3 on the post, good work.

As I said before, He lost everything for allegations, Nothing u said disproved what I said.

He was banned for allegations, nothing u said disproves what I said.

You can see similar situations with Sinatraa losing almost everything the moment he was accused of something. I won't share my personal opinion on the matter, but it does highlight the two-faced nature of the industry, everyone was praising him like the next messiah before he got accused.

It seems that Sentinels made an effort to support him, in the same way they consistently supported players like Sick and Dapr, trying to help them when they needed it instead of abandoning them.

Another person making an effort to change this is Sliggy, who approaches his chat with the attitude that people don't have to be nasty or mean to others.

The issue is that these individuals and brands represent a minority, not the majority.

plastic surgery isn't as common as makeup and other ways to make people look "perfect" but it is an option (look at chinese streams where the girls are always caked in white makeup to make them look more pale than mj) it's very common to change but not very common to use surgery, only in specific cases

don't bother with taru, they just say delusional statements and then refuse to listen and refuse to debate

the refusal to even look shows how delusional your statement is, you refuse the evidence yet refuse to look at it.

look at the first 2 rounds against fut on abyss and tell me whose fault it was lil bro

easier option, just don't add stuff to his chat if the mod is just a dumbass

It reminds me of woohoojin where he just didn't want anyone in his discord/streams who wouldn't provide something valuable and people shit on him for that

"writing notes and summaries in order to further process material read" if u read the chat at all, none of it is brainless jokes with no substance, therefore u should understand no one will appreciate it there, just like no one will appreciate me defending Sliggy and/or his chat because VLR is a severe brainlet of a forum, it really is just simple understanding

Sadly at the sliggy chat they do not like jokes from a person with the writing comprehension of a 3 year old, Go next.

That'll be why your still here replying, your actions truly match up with your words for sure.

It's clear we both know what I saw, If u need to make alts to fight with u because u can't win your own battles and have to force downvote them that's pretty sad if u ask me, but hey it ain't that deep right?

Key words, "imagine", there's no one like him that they can possibly sign, so therefore they are staying with old faithful.

No one hated on anyone, I just brought up relevant facts to disprove a previous point made.

can't attack my arguments so now u go for an ad hominem argument, good job u just proved u had nothing valuable to say.

man you really are getting on every alt just to add replies and upvote yourself, sad.

can't attack my arguments so now u go for an ad hominem argument, good job u just proved u had nothing valuable to say.

That is fundamentally not True, Vo0kashu is on Dragon Ranger Gaming and they are considerably mid, Is Vo0kashu therefore a horrible individual player, No.

Flor made her debut last week or so, She looked good while everyone else looked like walking ult orbs, Does that mean Flor is bad, No.

U can argue "oh but those haven't been there for 4 years" you're right but look at PRX then, PRX haven't won a single big tournament apart from maybe pacific finals once or twice, Does that therefore mean Forsaken, Jinggg, etc are all horribly mid players with 0 potential, No.

This statement is completely nonsensical, This is the kind of attitude is the same one my ranked teammates make when they blame their team when they themselves are neutral, you are part of the problem too, either shut up and do something about it or accept you lost but anything else will further perpetuate the problem.

Navi core broke up but refused to get rid of the problem which is and continues to be ANGE1, If u cannot see that you are blind.

Xeppa has not been dropped because he clearly does an invaluable role which cannot be replaced by anyone they can bring in And/Or like Zellsis he has a very likable attitude and the players like him, therefore he's a net positive,

Before u argue the same for ANGE1, They could've easily picked up Saadhak, Nats, etc they had similar and/or higher level talent available to them, they didn't take it.

Your statement that "sometimes u need to change things around in order to do better" is just untrue, it's right sometimes but fundamentally it's rosters like Saadhak's Loud, DRX, Fnatic etc who have had the longest runs of continuous success with no or very little change, That is what makes a great team, Not from my opinion but from prize winnings. (https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Portal:Statistics)

This link shows G2, Who used to change around a lot but have now realised that actually the guard roster is good, and have such made small adjustments like letting sayaplayer go and bringing a single new player in, Fnatic is the same, they have kept the same roster for (i believe) the last year or 2 now, even before that if anyone left it would be 1 at a time and very little more, Alfa joined, they gave it time, Chronicle joined, Leo got subbed and then Derke Left, all of these give time for the team to gel together and it makes a better team in the long run, these are just 2 examples, I could give more examples if necessary but I feel I've made my point.