easier option, just don't add stuff to his chat if the mod is just a dumbass

It reminds me of woohoojin where he just didn't want anyone in his discord/streams who wouldn't provide something valuable and people shit on him for that

"writing notes and summaries in order to further process material read" if u read the chat at all, none of it is brainless jokes with no substance, therefore u should understand no one will appreciate it there, just like no one will appreciate me defending Sliggy and/or his chat because VLR is a severe brainlet of a forum, it really is just simple understanding

Sadly at the sliggy chat they do not like jokes from a person with the writing comprehension of a 3 year old, Go next.

That'll be why your still here replying, your actions truly match up with your words for sure.

It's clear we both know what I saw, If u need to make alts to fight with u because u can't win your own battles and have to force downvote them that's pretty sad if u ask me, but hey it ain't that deep right?

Key words, "imagine", there's no one like him that they can possibly sign, so therefore they are staying with old faithful.

No one hated on anyone, I just brought up relevant facts to disprove a previous point made.

can't attack my arguments so now u go for an ad hominem argument, good job u just proved u had nothing valuable to say.

man you really are getting on every alt just to add replies and upvote yourself, sad.

can't attack my arguments so now u go for an ad hominem argument, good job u just proved u had nothing valuable to say.

That is fundamentally not True, Vo0kashu is on Dragon Ranger Gaming and they are considerably mid, Is Vo0kashu therefore a horrible individual player, No.

Flor made her debut last week or so, She looked good while everyone else looked like walking ult orbs, Does that mean Flor is bad, No.

U can argue "oh but those haven't been there for 4 years" you're right but look at PRX then, PRX haven't won a single big tournament apart from maybe pacific finals once or twice, Does that therefore mean Forsaken, Jinggg, etc are all horribly mid players with 0 potential, No.

This statement is completely nonsensical, This is the kind of attitude is the same one my ranked teammates make when they blame their team when they themselves are neutral, you are part of the problem too, either shut up and do something about it or accept you lost but anything else will further perpetuate the problem.

Navi core broke up but refused to get rid of the problem which is and continues to be ANGE1, If u cannot see that you are blind.

Xeppa has not been dropped because he clearly does an invaluable role which cannot be replaced by anyone they can bring in And/Or like Zellsis he has a very likable attitude and the players like him, therefore he's a net positive,

Before u argue the same for ANGE1, They could've easily picked up Saadhak, Nats, etc they had similar and/or higher level talent available to them, they didn't take it.

Your statement that "sometimes u need to change things around in order to do better" is just untrue, it's right sometimes but fundamentally it's rosters like Saadhak's Loud, DRX, Fnatic etc who have had the longest runs of continuous success with no or very little change, That is what makes a great team, Not from my opinion but from prize winnings. (https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Portal:Statistics)

This link shows G2, Who used to change around a lot but have now realised that actually the guard roster is good, and have such made small adjustments like letting sayaplayer go and bringing a single new player in, Fnatic is the same, they have kept the same roster for (i believe) the last year or 2 now, even before that if anyone left it would be 1 at a time and very little more, Alfa joined, they gave it time, Chronicle joined, Leo got subbed and then Derke Left, all of these give time for the team to gel together and it makes a better team in the long run, these are just 2 examples, I could give more examples if necessary but I feel I've made my point.

If u consider consistent above 1.00 ratings and 1/1 KDs in multiple tournaments and multiple different teams (people, not different orgs) as initiator, not even duelist "mid" then you'll forever be delusional.

If u want to talk about being mid just look at your own team for the past few years.

replacing a letter in his name doesn't instantly make him a bad player, Hope this helps!

https://www.vlr.gg/player/7871/xeppaa/?timespan=all do me a favour and look at the fact that he has better kd and rating on about 3x the agents as your duelist has https://www.vlr.gg/player/7841/tvirusluke/?timespan=all that would be why, Hope this helps!

Who talked about EDG, I used Apeks as an example, Nor did I ever claim EDG was the same

Tell that to apeks, Molsi is amazing with his utility but if him and the other 3 besides flor are walking ult orbs then it won't really matter all too much..

tbh he should've really left when yay left or a season later if he wanted to end on a high, now we will only really see it go downhill i think

oh my bad, let me just take your opinion for the fact that he's a good journalist and the fact that he has a major in it that clearly that proves he can ask hard questions and actually provide a good interview.

A good journalist makes videos on bad circumstances no matter who it involves and I lost complete hope in Ludwig when he refused to make Mr Beast videos purely because "he doesn't want to do videos on speculation" when he proceeds to make multiple other videos on speculation such as the Ava Kris Tyson situation, Sketch situation Etc just a few videos beforehand.

Ludwig is no better of an interviewer than Oompaville when he made his Interview with Mr Beast after the controversy and (essentially) just got used because he never pushed back on anything that Mr Beast said.

TL:DR Nothing that u say is facts, it's all opinions and it's based off 0 evidence while I have evidence to the contrary so I will not believe this.

Lets be honest bro, Ludwig is NOT a good interviewer and will NOT grill him properly

I mean if i look at games like dota, league, etc it actually is pretty horrible to be honest, it feels to me as though I get a sus player at best every 20 odd games in plat/ascendant where i normally sit in the ranking ladder, what i mean by sus isn't just cheaters but also smurfs, etc.

The irony of you saying the AC is pretty good and I remember I had a cheater literally 3 games ago is funny as hell

it's less about the replay system itself and more public trust for me, With a replay system it feels as though you are adding content to satiate content creators, people who hunt cheaters and the odd few people who just think someone in their game is cheating, There have been multiple times where I've thought it in Marvel Rivals and such but I could put it to bed 100% by watching the video replay and knowing either I was or wasn't right

I mean look at all of the oldschool vac review videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTDu6D6uejk&list=PLF6iM8IDUylNkcc-qPt5EiX9Q5Ozq254a&index=17) this is where content creators could do a service to csgo by preventing cheaters from playing and get content out of it, this is fundamentally a win win for the community for sure.

TL:DR I don't know why you wouldn't want to, Fundamentally I feel as though it's a win win.

we saw this earlier than this (even a little bit in the BLG loss that was so unfortunate), After that it was kind of a turning point where fns just plain and simply didn't look nearly as consistently good as an IGL and only now everyone is starting to recognise it

hopefully now u understand hype means nothing good sir.

I've never once said anything about Fnatic, nor hyped them up are you okay?

bro got banned so fast fr

The issue is similar to that of the general Valorant community, where personalities like Shanks, Prod, and Sinatraa share a common trait: they often behave in a childish manner. As a result, they have gained some level of fame by acting immaturely and expressing childish opinions. This behaviour reinforces the idea to their young viewers that it’s acceptable to act this way and that one can even achieve fame by being childish.

This situation fosters a community that criticizes individuals like Kyedae for attempting to hold others accountable for their harmful behaviour. Some people feel justified in making transphobic, racist, or sexist remarks, claiming that "it's just a joke." But deep down they believe it's acceptable because their favourite content creators often make similar comments.

the sad part is this is probably not even satire

bro they just hate the truth, both of us were right but we got downvoted for the truth :(

navi don't win these tbf

There's an evolving meta shift towards neon/yoru, etc and derke couldn't play either, Fnatic just realised they needed a way more versatile duelist than Derke.

base opinions off meaningless details instead of the facts in question, average vlr user

orgs with 0 quals, proceeds to discount orgs bc they made event, very consistent list ty

She sent a letter in real life to address someone's actions and the potential consequences that could arise from them, which may or may not be relevant to future behavior. If she wanted attention, she could easily start an online feud that everyone would eventually forget about. From what I can see, Kyedae has been raised to be respectful. She chose to reach out to others who would appreciate the knowledge she shared with them.

If u are taking from this "omg she wants attention" you really need to look at yourself because her actions show the complete opposite of wanting attention, she didn't even want it out that she did what she did.

least brainrotted vlr.gg user

The problem with this take is the fact that if u had confidence that your a good player you wouldn't care because you'll win the games where u do have good teammates, which is a lot more than the bad teammates

Then u can make the conscious choice to stay ignorant, Ciao

This may be true, but if that is them at their full potential with amazing strats and all they can beat is mediocre teams and nothing more that only further proves my point of them not being a threat to better teams, do u not understand that?

So lets start with this https://www.vlr.gg/event/1925/champions-tour-2024-emea-kickoff/group-stage, They started by only just beating GiantX and Fut, GiantX game, 1st map was 13-11 if this flipped and GiantX found something more in this KC loses this game 2-0. In the fut game the same exact thing happens, 20-18 overtime, If this is flipped Fut wins this game 2-0, These are all things considered some of the worst teams in the league, Nonetheless they make it.

Next stage, https://www.vlr.gg/event/1925/champions-tour-2024-emea-kickoff/play-in-stage, KC V Vitality looks good as it's a 2-0, However u have Destrian going -15 on Vitality for the first map which almost certainly KC took advantage of, When this didn't happen in the second map however it once again ended on a nailbiting 15-13, I will say this is not a bad team anymore, so fair enough. They beat Koi dominantly, but lets be honest no one had that sheydos IGL Koi doing shit at that time.

Next stage, https://www.vlr.gg/event/1925/champions-tour-2024-emea-kickoff/playoffs This is arguably the only result which you could've considered "okay, Maybe they'll do something, they beat fnatic 13-10 and 13-8, This was a good win, nothing bad to say other than Fnatic did not look massively good. Then u have the Heretics game, U make of it what u want but i see heretics playing a good first game and then proceeding to get aim diffed 3 games in a row, as i said before, If Team Heretics were a good team like Fnatic or such, they would've still gotten close scorelines even with aim diff happening, but they got dominated. This is not consistency, nor will it win u anything.

Next stage. https://www.vlr.gg/event/1921/champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid/swiss-stage they beat fucking fpx, the fucking chinese fpx, not much of an achievement if u ask me, and then they get knocked out, so u tell me, how do they ever look good without overhype based on beating a bunch of severely mediocre looking at the time Emea teams.

Now lets talk about next masters, which I can only assume it's the next one considering it would make sense to compare with monyet vs when they just got jinggg back.

https://www.vlr.gg/event/2002/champions-tour-2024-pacific-stage-1/playoffs, they won playoffs, something prx with monyet was incapable of, and oh would u look at that https://www.vlr.gg/329914/paper-rex-vs-gen-g-champions-tour-2024-pacific-stage-1-gf, Jinggg went hella positive in the final.

This is the first game, need i remind you G2 Finished 3rd in this Tournament, https://www.vlr.gg/348463/paper-rex-vs-g2-esports-champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai-ubqf/?game=all&tab=overview. This was a pretty lackluster game for all of prx and G2 were hardcore aim diffing all game, But still even so, Jinggg is -2.

Next game, https://www.vlr.gg/348467/paper-rex-vs-edward-gaming-champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai-lr1/?game=170795&tab=overview This is the only game they won in Champs, However using your logic, This prx did the same, If this masters was a 4 man, They would've also finished 4th here, Another reminder is that they did so good in their regional competition that they didn't even have to make it through the swiss stage, Unlike they did with Monyet.

https://www.vlr.gg/348471/100-thieves-vs-paper-rex-champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai-lr2 This is the final game in question, First thing is first two maps are fairly clear towards their respective teams, the 3rd map is a 12-14 nailbiter and when Thieves hit 11, PRX win 4 rounds in a row to get to 11 themselves, then they trade rounds.

The first one goes to thieves due to a missed op shot and a bang 2k with asuna getting 3.

Next round mindfreak tries to go early and loses his life and prx make a good call, jing gets the early pick, calls for his team to swing after he peeks pulls everyone to look at him and then when everyone is distracted, everyone else on prx is better to swing and get an extra 2 off that, that's how they win this round.

Next round, jinggg places his wall and they insta break a piece so he uses that to swing through the wall while the killjoy is reloading and absolutely smothering any attack from that side, Cryo gets a pick with op and then gets a double collat because mindfreak and forsaken play together as they are supposed to, unlucky.

Next round Thieves play well, PRX was dysfunctional on site and they took advantage of it, all in all a 12/14 Close ass game to finish it off, This was the one round Jinggg did not get a pick to bring it back after one of his teammates either traded or died first alone

There is a massive difference and I believe these things show it fairly clearly, Stop being delusional and accept the facts for how they are, Thank you.

https://www.vlr.gg/296747/gen-g-vs-paper-rex-champions-tour-2024-pacific-kickoff-winners-c/?game=all&tab=overview
This game is how they got to the playoff stage, Monyet was neutral.

https://www.vlr.gg/event/1924/champions-tour-2024-pacific-kickoff/playoffs this is how they qualified from playoffs to swiss stage, They beat T1, who did not look good in 2024.

they went through swiss stage against Team heretics and Karmine Corp, Neither of which looked good in the start of 2024, they got severely lucky with the seeding and only just got through even still

If they wanted a better seed they had to win https://www.vlr.gg/297258/paper-rex-vs-gen-g-champions-tour-2024-pacific-kickoff-playoffs-gf, Shockingly Monyet went -18 and they got slapped around like a bunch of T2 players all game.

The "3rd place" your getting is this https://www.vlr.gg/event/1921/champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid, a WHOPPING 4 player masters, And they beat a whole 1 team and what was that one team, a more deceased than my grandad LOUD which had looked lets just say, not the best.

and finally, lets just wonder for a second why they had such an easy journey, oh yeah because of their previous years placements and their proven placements previous which... was with jinggg.

2023/09/16 is when monyet joined, 2024/05/20 is when monyet left, during this time everyone on earth could see the difference that jinggg makes to the team, something played much worse with monyet, forsaken didn't have the same freedom that he used to have.

It wasn't that Monyet was not a good player, it's that jinggg takes all the attention for prx and he still ends up either getting his one or more, which then allows people like forsaken, something, etc to get into spots which they shouldn't be able to and get a pick for free, singlehandedly if u watch any prx game and actually analyse it, you will 100% see the difference jinggg makes.

The difference is that Monyet is not comfortable being that aggressive whether it's confidence, his style, etc doesn't really matter, he doesn't play like what prx needs him to and that is why he ended up getting dropped, (same problem with ardiis on nrg, notice how his career has fizzled out to nothing but being a rage baiter on stream to keep any semblance of relevance) There is no way in any universe that u can say someone who started on onic g where may I add, he was barely able to go positive against ts, bleed and MIT in the last chance qualifiers, which then ultimately lead to onic not winning LCQ to BOOM while in said game, still not going positive.

but then you'll end up saying "oh no but that's just a bad team, he moved onto rrq and did better"
https://www.vlr.gg/365316/gen-g-vs-rex-regum-qeon-champions-tour-2024-pacific-stage-2-ko
Rex vs Gen'g, Monyet ends -8. This is a knockout game, this is the point to show up, Monyet didn't
https://www.vlr.gg/329914/paper-rex-vs-gen-g-champions-tour-2024-pacific-stage-1-gf
Grand final of Pacific against the strongest team in the league by far and Jinggg ends +14.

There is no comparison u can make between these two players, if Jinggg does badly his team can capitalize and take it into their own hands due to either the space jinggg took, the distraction he made or otherwise just how much of a nuisance he was being to the enemies, U do not get this same value with Monyet, Maybe u could say the stats are better, but the sad reality is they are just not, Jinggg has 1.00 or better on at least 5 agents,with 20+ games and Monyet has the same, but I ask u look at the actual KD jinggg's lowest on his top 8 agents is 1.12kd while monyet's is 1.00 and he averages lower on almost all of them.

There's no feasible way that if u watched prx during monyet era vs jinggg era, you would ever say such a delusional statement.

monyet above jinggg HA?HAAHHAAHAH

tiktok watcher, opinion rejected

bump

The only logical take to pointless internet drama xd.

"If you disagree with someone, it doesn’t mean you need to be better than them to have your opinion. That’s fine. The problem arises when you express an opinion about how someone is acting, and then you begin to act in a similar, if not the same, way; that’s when you become hypocritical.

Regarding your point about Valorant being purely for fun: If that were the case, the Valorant community would be asking for new modes in the game. However, I would love to see any proof to support that claim, because since the release of Swiftplay, it seems that not many people care about new modes, to be honest.

"If you want to be so competitive and shit on others who you think are not good enough play that. Don't spoil other's fun playing ranked and getting tilted." Your assumptions are unfounded—what evidence do you have to support that I am ever toxic and/or spoil anyone else's fun?

"You may be one of the few players who doesn’t prioritize having fun while playing. The majority of the player base plays for enjoyment, not to be criticized online. If someone doesn’t want to take the game seriously like you do, you can’t force them to. Everyone is not equally skilled. Just because you’re investing hundreds of hours into the game and improving doesn’t mean it applies to everyone else. Perhaps when others play seriously, they perform worse than they would if they were just having fun. Also, the fact that someone is in the lobby with Shroud doesn’t automatically mean they are at his level or better."

This entire argument reflects what I stated in my original point: "Games are what you make of them. If you are having fun like sinatraa, who doesn’t particularly care when playing ranked, you are a rare breed. You must understand that not everyone is like you and that you will face criticism, just as those who are overly serious will face differing opinions." This is you switching your entire argument purely to hurt mine rather than just sticking to yours and using a good point/Evidence to support what u said originally and it seriously didn't work.

"The reason to criticize Shroud was because of his toxicness."
You seem to misinterpret my points entirely. You stated, "The reason to criticize Shroud was because of his toxic behaviour," yet you respond to others criticizing Shroud with your own toxic comments, adding to the negativity.

"Shroud has always talked trash. He tries to stay relevant by praising the game he’s playing and bashing other games. If he really knew what he was doing, how did his venture with Spectry fail so miserably?" Again, you’re just providing more ammunition for my initial point of being toxic in response to toxicity.

"I hate it when people are toxic online. You can have your opinions, but it’s not cool to attack someone's personal life." Yet you said yourself that "he has such a big ego and superiority complex that he feels entitled to criticize people who have lives outside of gaming." You don’t know if he has a big ego or a superiority complex; you’re attacking someone personally. This lack of self-awareness is troubling. It’s hypocritical to criticize someone else while displaying the same toxic behavior you condemn.

I asked for evidence to support your claims, and you provided none. You used the replies to add no extra value, merely insulting both me and Shroud based on your unfounded assumptions. You also used this entire discussion to rally others to agree with you, which renders you the real 'yes-man' in this situation. You have not countered my actual points, nor have you attempted to understand my perspective.

Your attempt at character assassination is tragic. You have shown that you know nothing about me and failed to engage with my arguments. I truly hope you can learn from this experience and become a better person in the future. Have a good day or night, sir or ma'am."

Honestly, I didn’t even watch the clip fully, and I don’t care what Shroud said in the first place. My comment wasn’t about that. If Valorant were made purely for fun, people wouldn’t try to climb the ranks and improve in every match. They would just play Swift Play mode every time, log off, and go outside, repeating the same cycle each day.

There’s a big difference between having fun while taking a game seriously and just playing for fun. Personally, I don't play Valorant to escape a long day. In fact, people who do that might need to re-evaluate their priorities. Generally speaking, if you don't take games like Valorant seriously, you’re likely to perform poorly, unless you’re extremely talented.

You mentioned, "He is telling him to go play another game and become better. How will he become better at this game if he does not play?" From what I observed, the game Shroud was playing relied heavily on game sense. If you're entering a high-skill game without that awareness, it can seem like the player being criticized is out of their depth. If your aim was to promote understanding, why focus solely on Shroud’s negative actions instead of considering that "he said this, maybe he meant it in this way"?

If you’re supposedly better than Shroud, how can you claim in comment #23 that "he has such a big ego and superiority complex that he feels entitled to criticize people who have lives outside of gaming"? If what Shroud did was so immoral, why are you making similar assumptions and negative comments about him?

In #24, you stated, "lol..funny.. But hey, at least FNS has achieved something in Valorant. He didn’t just run away after failing, unlike Shroud." This is mocking him and reflects the very behavior you criticized Shroud for. If you believe his actions were so terrible, why are you doing exactly the same thing?

In #19, you wrote, "Seriously. Also, not to forget complaining and criticizing every game he left. He has insulted CS, Valorant, Overwatch, etc. His own game, 'Spectre Divide,' is a flop copy of Valorant." It seems hypocritical to criticize someone for pointing out areas for improvement in games. I can’t speak to the specifics, but if you provide some context, it might look like Tenz saying, "Honestly, this agent feels broken," or "this feature feels off." The role of prominent content creators and professionals is to help improve the game, not just sit idly hoping for fixes. Also, regarding your comments about Spectre Divide, Shroud isn’t even the creator—he’s just the Lead Gameplay Advisor. If you looked into it, you’d find that he initially only planned to be an angel investor, but they sought his input because he’s a top-tier FPS pro, which makes sense for any game development company.

In summary, if you’re going to make points like this, it’s fine to reference what Shroud said, but many of your comments come off as presumptive and misinformed, likely based on your own experiences or feelings about the situation. You don’t know Shroud personally, and the accusations you’ve made can’t be verified. They seem more focused on tearing down rather than providing constructive criticism. If you think you're superior, why are you behaving similarly to him?