actual top 10 best teams we have seen in valorant

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FNATIC (Lock-In - Tokyo)
Evil Geniuses (Tokyo - Champions 2023)
Paper Rex (Champions 2023)
GenG (Madrid)
LOUD (Champions 2023)
Team Liquid (EMEA PLAYOFFS 2023)
Sentinels (Madrid)
Fun Plus Phoenix (2022)
Optic (2022)
LOUD (2022)

HM: LEV 2024, KRU 2024, PRX 2024, TGRD 2022
reason they arent on the list is bc its too soon to say and tgrd choked at an event where they looked better then everyone playing at their best.
a lot of people are nostalgia merchants and will put 2021 teams on their list i promise you they would get smoked by mid tier 2023-24 teams.
Sen fans dont get mad gen g is better than you except you fluked out and won a trophy over a team whos better than you hopefully u guys do well at shanghai... oh wait.

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bro snuck in Team Liquid in there 😭😭

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it was a flash in the pan but they beat prime fnatic gotta be worth something right 😭

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chrony boy was sick

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fnatic were saving strats

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Tbf TGRD top 14 is way more insane than TL top 6 imo

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not saying tgrd is top 14 they choked early on in a tournament they could have won but they did look better than most if not all of the teams leading up to the event and all of the top teams were stealing their strats even optic just came to mind as a worthy hm

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Still it's kinda stupid putting a mid team from 2022 who achieved nothing, especially when you are so criminally recency biased.

All these teams in 2022 achieved more: TL, LEV, XSET, DRX (which is criminal that it's not in the list), FNATIC, the list goes on and on and it's just 2022.

For 2023 since u r so recency biased there should be at least 20 teams better than TGRD.

And still for the recency bias basically almost every franchised team in 2024 should be better than them

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they beat optic who everyone thinks is insane and one of the best teams in valorant i agree drx is a hm and its not recency bias i just value teams competing and doing well against harder competition in a more evolved version of the game if teams were only getting worse nobody would watch

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But then why is FNATIC top 1 if they are bad now? Like every team peaks and then gets worse, it's only normal.

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kyro1

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because they peaked when the level of competition amongst the top teams was the highest and their the only team to win 2 trophies if fnatic were in their 2023 form they would be the best team this year no doubt

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it was crazy just because they were such an unheard of roster that nobody was expecting to do well

and their crazy scorelines like 13-0 100t, 13-1 Sen

also they lost by 3 rounds to the eventual winner of the event so

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this list is equivalent to dropping an atomic bomb on the kitchen

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i mean gambit in their prime were kinda different

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kyro1

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gambit was just hero plays from talented players thats all it took to be good in 2021 🤣

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if that's all it took why are 3 of them still playing in tier 1 valorant 3 years later, surely if they were just talented and strategically trash they would've fallen off by now?

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not a good response bro

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Good argument in return.

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Al-Mawsil

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Thanks u should learn how to do this as well real shit

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I'd rather prioritize making an actual argument but your choice.

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id rather u do and i do that as well

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kyro1

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bro what? their good players thats why they are still around im saying the team at that time would not compare to any of the teams on this list you saw that with m3c, sen, and ascend who all failed to qualify for a lan the following year

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u said "Gambit was just hero plays from talented players" not a single word of that conveys "the team at the time would not compare to any of the teams on this list"

You are blanketly saying that M3C/Gambit were only good because of the fact they had insane aimers, So did Fnatic last year, they won 2 massive events, So did Leviatan this year, they are top of their group, You can argue any "good team" just have good aimers, u can argue Leviatan is just getting carried by Aspas or Loud was being carried by Aspas, U can argue EG just did a fluke run because of the fact no one knew their strats and they could anti strat everyone, but at the end of the day.

The lack of understanding that u miss is to be an amazing team, u need strategy on top of good players. No matter what stage we are at right now or 2021 Gambit/M3C if put back together would probably be able to adapt to the circumstances now and u cannot argue otherwise because it's probably never going to happen.

On top of this, U cannot argue any team which won a massive event purely won because of aim, If u did this you could argue that Kru is only winning due to Keznit being insane, Considering he has a 1.30 KD (On Raze) in TIER 1, playing against the considered greatest players in the world VS the Duelist of Gambit, D3ffo going 1.20 maximum in considerable lower tiers of games, How do u argue that Gambit are only Aimers when your own teams duelist is outfragging Gambits duelist in Tier 1 while D3ffo is in Challengers League France

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they clearly couldnt adapt to the 2022 meta what makes you think they could now? im pretty sure we can all agree 2021 was the lowest level we have seen the game be played at being a top team that year isnt nearly as impressive and fnatics run yes they had insane individuals but thats not all it took to be a top tier team in 2023 unlike 2021 if you took 2021 gambit and put them up against 2023 fnatic they would get probably a collective of 4 rounds and thats being generous. also lev and kru are not only winning bc they have insane duelists they are winning because of their teamplay and strategic depth but of course having players like that is gonna help. and your d3ffo argument makes no sense i dont even understand what your getting at. are you saying d3ffo isnt a top tier player so the fact that they had mechanically gifted players on the team isnt true? if anything that only proves my point that shows you the skill level it took to be a top player then was significantly lower to now and cherry picking gambits worst player to try to disprove my point is hilarious by mechanical players im talking about chronicle and nats. also my entire point isnt talking about whether a roster that got disbanded could adapt now im saying if you took how that roster played at their peak and put them up against a top tier team now they would get smoked is that a hot take? cuz it really shouldnt be.

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4 players are still in Tier 1 (5 if you include coach)

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How tf is GENG madrid above SEN

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GENG shouldn't be 4th they had every advantage but still lost to SEN.

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results randys will say this but the reality is they were better then sen all through out the tournament even in the final they should have 3-0d them but sen ended up experience diffing them in the last map but they were still playing better then sen you saw that in upper final.

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The better team won

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kyro1

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lemme know when sen arrives in shanghai

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Geng went 3-3, lost to T1 and still qualified for shanghai.
SEN are in a more competitive region so it's only normal that even if they were as good as GENG they wouldn't make it.

Geng 4th best team of all time is absolutely moronic

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kyro1

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more competitive region? the same region with furia 0-5 and mibr 0-5? sen literally had free wins and still got pushed by furia
gen g is in a slump currently but they still are playing a lot better than sen and the t1 loss doesnt happen if they win the bonus or a second pistol on ascent. they will beat t1 in a bo5 no doubt

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I mean you are just a dispenser of bad takes so I don't even know how to reply

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pacific has teams like ge dfm and bleed

if they were in americas or emea
they'd get 26-0'd every game

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kyro1

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GE would stomp furia

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if GenG actually does something at shanghai this SPECIFIC THING is valid, but pacific's depth is less than americas

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how exactly did they experience diff them, only sacy and tenz had been in a grand final before, and what was the need to panic and stress about when they had 2 map bans
2 FUCKING MAP BANS BRO.
And before geng in semi finals sen were undefeated too so surely dont give me that shit that geng where better and they just got experienced diffed

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kyro1

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except their two most experienced players they werent experienced ahh argument

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gambit 2021 at 4th

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100T 2022 Masters Berlin

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Lucrix

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Put edg run up there💔

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kyro1

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lowkey edg has an argument but they kinda fell off this year with the same players so idk

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Lucrix

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trust, they're gonna make a comeback🥲

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but you put fnatic at 1
and they have the same players

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kyro1

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fnatic also did a lot more and have looked unbeatable in certain points in time edg havent made top 4 at an event i dont even know when edg would have peaked they kinda remained at a similar skill level all of last year

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The_Cleg

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Geng 4th for no reason at all WTF
TGRD in HMs before Gambit acend fut what am I reading

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kyro1

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tgrd would smoke gambit and acend. fut this year could be in hm but we havent seen them at an event and they are in a super weak region

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0 wins in international lans wouldn't smoke anybody buddy.

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kyro1

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failed to qualify for a lan in 2022 i rest my case

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Um literally a fucking War happened? What does that even mean "I rest my case"😭😭😭 feels like I'm talking to a bot

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kyro1

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yeah bro a war effected how they played valorant 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 emea bot living in the past

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Nilonesia

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He’s baiting for reactions but idk y cuz if you wanna rush 4 stars you just glaze NA and you’ll be good

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Faxx

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Loud champions 2023 5th lmao

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kyro1

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how is that a hot take genuinly explain

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2022 loud is clear tbf

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you put Loud 2022 in 10th when they literally won champions.

Loud 2022, Optic 2022 and Fnatic 2023 was the 3 best teams in valorant history
shit list

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kyro1

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the game evolves over time if you put a 2022 team against a prime 2023 team they stand no chance the competition gets better over time loud didnt get worse from 2022 to 2023 they got better just so did the competition and tuyz >>> pancada

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yeah u must be retarded

not wasting my time

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Sentinels Reykjavik > sentinels Madrid

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kyro1

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are you fucking retarded?

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Sentinels Reykjavik literally didn't drop a single map. By today standard, not good. But back then they were crazy

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kyro1

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exactly

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But you have to take results into context. Like sports, teams are ranked based on eras. None of the players in the 90s or 80s are better than players now in the NBA due to better training methods and conditioning practices, but they were still better. Optic, Loud, and Fnatic were by far the most dominant teams of their time we've ever seen, only for you to put Geng at 4th?

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im not trying to take anything away or discrediting their accomplishments at the time they were the best teams but the name of the thread actual top 10 best teams and these are imo the 10 best teams we have seen play valorant at their peak not who has the most accomplishments

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I see what you're getting at, but IMO, Val is such a meta-defining game for the pro scene that I think dominance in their time and accomplishments are more telling. I don't agree that Sentinels 2021 is better than 2023, but I think Loud 2022 and Optic should be higher. The only real outlier from this list I see is Geng. I think all finalists deserve at least to be in the honorable mentions, but I don't see them beating current PRX or Lev.

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i agree their are definatly a lot more hm but imo the competition has only increased over time a lot of people value who beat who and who won what trophy but i dont think results tell the whole story the reason i have loud 2023 over 2022 is for that very reason the league was more competitive during that time and they are one of two teams to beat prime fnatic and they did it twice i value that higher then beating optic in a lower skill level tournament and the reason i have gen g in 4th is because all throughout kickoff and madrid they looked like the best team in those tournaments and the rate at which they were improving was insane to me people will never give them the credit they deserve for that run bc they choked in the gf but i still think they are really good and would beat any 2022 team but i can understand if you dont think they are 4th but look at optic they choked 2 grand finals and your arguing for them to be higher and they were playing at a time where the skill level was lower geng is still a very new team and i think its only the beginning for them.

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I mean, yeah, in the future. But I thought this was a ranking for that tournament. I think specifically Madrid Geng isn't as good as Champions 2022 Loud or Optics when they won the Masters, or current prx and lev.

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madrid gen g would defiantly beat any 2022 team what makes you think otherwise?

continue thread →

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me when I don't watch Valorant:

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Where is 2021 Acend?

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Loud 2022 >>>>>> Loud 2023

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What in the shit is this

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LMAOOOOOOOO

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this guy is stupid

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Quite accurate except replace Team Liquid with Gambit + Acend

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WHERE IS GAMBIT

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Bro said Loud 2022 aka the perfect team is 10th lol

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loud 2022 shit the bed in copenhagen and were competing in 2022. loud 2023 >>>> it aint even close

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LOUD 2023 also shit the bed but in Tokyo

That doesn't explain shit. LOUD 2022 played in a Chamber meta and were not abusing Chamber at all like other teams were

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2 - Evil Geniuses (Tokyo - Champions 2023)

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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This is the greatest shit my eyes have ever witnessed

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Don't grace us with your stupidity again 🙏

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kyro1

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your team is dogshit

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god bless that doesn't affect my personal life in any way 🙏

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Personally I believe all top 4 teams from champs 2022 and 2023 are there

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I presume you started following VAL at the beginning of 2022 because it's criminal not to put Gambit on this list

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Don't you mean Optic 2021

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ENVY?

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Get out of the kitchen right now 😭😭😭😭

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holy freak what a shit stupid list

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mf clearly has never watched anything before Optic era, SEN 2021 Rekyjavic, Gambit Berlin, all of
those should be top 3

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how tf u gonna put geng over sen in Madrid did u not see who won in the finals

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results dont tell the whole story acting like they didnt beat them 2 days prior and didnt look better then them the entire tournament

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im glad fnc is #1 but bro you did not cook ill be real

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Missing 100T at Redbull Homeground #3.

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Dude went to the Kitchen and set the entire house on fire..

Don't ever cook again.

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i think you forgot
GAMBIT(Berlin 2021 - Champoins 2021)
Acend(champions 2021)
Sentinels(masters rekjavik 2021)
DRX(they didn't have a special event. they were just extraordinarily consistent till like the semis)

AT LEAST GMB and SEN deserve to be in the top 5 of this lst

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drx could be a hm the other teams suck ass good players tho for the most part

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naaa GMB was ultra dominant for their time btu yeah ACE just had a insane run but Sen in Reykjavik were pretty good and since we are only discussing teams when they were at their prime i would say that GMB and SEN are deffo top 10 if not top 5

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for their time yes but this list is based on the best teams we had seen play valorant and 2021 was the caveman era all of those teams flopped in 2022 and showed a lack of adaptation and 2022 a majority of teams were also clueless and they couldnt even beat the other clueless teams. if u think gambit 2021 vs eg 2023 would be a close match idk what to tell you.

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hmm yeah idk nw its too far apart plus the meta kind of changed dramatically. Their style was ultra default which would get into work out very well with the current agents BUT from all the GMB players I've seen right excluding deffo, other than Redgar every other player seems to be playing pretty well and their coach is also very good so again its too wide of a time gap to actually know anything.
Plus now that I rewatched the 2021 tournaments sen just won cause they could exploit the game better than the rest. there as some skill but the game overamplified it. fair enough but if we are just counting how the teams did in their year at their time then SEN and GMB are top 5.