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Harapan845 [#5]why did he do this? this isn't going to change many people's minds because humans are just like that
I think it's more of getting people off his back about it and getting the last word. Obviously people in the community will hate him either way and will continue to look at him the same as when it happened, but it's better for him to address whatever and end it than still having people bashing him after 3 years.
jubby [#9]I think it's more of getting people off his back about it and getting the last word. Obviously people in the community will hate him either way and will continue to look at him the same as when it happened, but it's better for him to address whatever and end it than still having people bashing him after 3 years.
(i would like preface this with me knowing nothing about this because I never cared enough to know) but if they continued for 3yrs why would they stop now
Harapan845 [#10](i would like preface this with me knowing nothing about this because I never cared enough to know) but if they continued for 3yrs why would they stop now
Most likely, people are still going to call him the r-word but it's clear he wants to put an end to all of it and leave it in the past.
jubby [#11]Most likely, people are still going to call him the r-word but it's clear he wants to put an end to all of it and leave it in the past.
yea but then why bring it up your self again
Harapan845 [#12]yea but then why bring it up your self again
Not sure but at least he's moving on from it.
I don't really like sinatraa but I can kind of accept that this is his side of the story because the people that were close to him at that time and knew the details behind the scenes have stuck to him. I think if anything TenZ and SEN as an org lost because of it. I have also watched an investigation into the topic that pointed out logical fallacy's and straight up lies in the accusations.
Do I think sinatraa is fully innocent? Hell, no.
Do I think he is a rapist and genuinely intentionally wanted to scar his ex for life? Probably not.
Do I think both people in the relationship were immature, damaged and should have never engaged in it ? Yeah, but people make mistakes.
Weird shit , we will never know what truly happened
Minimalist [#2]No one cares
outlines a situation where either a man was falsely accused, defamed, and had to go through a corrupt investigation for or a woman was sexually assaulted and harassed/ridiculed for it. whatever your perception of it is, you should care because both are terrible things that happen constantly in the modern day and need to be addressed.
ronaldinhoooooooooooo [#4]bro got conviced by PROD... yea sinatraas on a downward spiral for sure.
people are more than their internet personas
AKIRA1988 [#15]I don't really like sinatraa but I can kind of accept that this is his side of the story because the people that were close to him at that time and knew the details behind the scenes have stuck to him. I think if anything TenZ and SEN as an org lost because of it. I have also watched an investigation into the topic that pointed out logical fallacy's and straight up lies in the accusations.
Do I think sinatraa is fully innocent? Hell, no.
Do I think he is a rapist and genuinely intentionally wanted to scar his ex for life? Probably not.
Do I think both people in the relationship were immature, damaged and should have never engaged in it ? Yeah, but people make mistakes.Weird shit , we will never know what truly happened
I think if anything TenZ and SEN as an org lost because of it.
bro they won a masters because of it
babi [#23]Wait I saw somewhere his ex became like an onlyfans star or something like that, is that true?
does having an onlyfans automatically make you a bad person? like what does this even mean
TM06Nick [#26]does having an onlyfans automatically make you a bad person? like what does this even mean
selling your body and profiting off of the insecurities of disillusioned young men is simply put, not good
sometimes the circumstances force you to (demon1's gf for example) but otherwise it is quite bad
arin2016 [#20]Sinatraa Flashback Mazino, need 2 more to complete the fake accusations team
Keznit ??
HavocWEEB [#27]wait but his reason for not showing the video makes no sense. If the video showed he did nothing wrong, then he would show it to clear his name.
I cannot show the video because she asked me to delete it after we broke up which I did (I would have posted the video years ago if I had it)
archetype [#31]I cannot show the video because she asked me to delete it after we broke up which I did (I would have posted the video years ago if I had it)
where is this from cuz in this tweet he said that in a previous tweet he mentioned he would show it but that he since chose not to
HavocWEEB [#32]where is this from cuz in this tweet he said that in a previous tweet he mentioned he would show it but that he since chose not to
i read the tweet again and saw the part u mentioned but he still has contradictory statements in this tweet
ronaldinhoooooooooooo [#4]bro got conviced by PROD... yea sinatraas on a downward spiral for sure.
what? his friend convinced him to speak up? is there something wrong with that???
oliv- [#34]what? his friend convinced him to speak up? is there something wrong with that???
doesnt like prod online persona is my guess
TM06Nick [#26]does having an onlyfans automatically make you a bad person? like what does this even mean
makes u a less trust worthy person yes.
Siigma777 [#18]people are more than their internet personas
nah prod is like that in ranked when he doesnt stream as well
Siigma777 [#18]people are more than their internet personas
Sinatraa/Prod stream 12 hours a day. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. You realize those 2 are "friends" bc nobody actually likes them. Birds of the same feather flock together.
Also for sinatraa, he gained his audience bc he was a cracked gamer. He chose to stick to this arrogant "im better than you, and I'm rich, have fun at mcdonalds" "persona". I feel like anyone who watches them has to be a bit odd. If you like watching people who feel the need to flex on haters instead of ignoring, you do you. ngl val community is just cooked in general
In Prod's case it's more of a persona than skill but still similarly obnoxious.
My post was mainly just meme, i kinda see them as thing 1 and thing 2 tbh.
As far as the "situation" idrc, he's gonna hear it for the rest of his life. Kinda like Drake. Maybe get over it or since your sooooooo mega rich, get off the internet? Playing Valorant doesn't require a twitch stream. lmaoooooo
BIANTAI [#40]are you fucking slow in the head?
how does doing sex work make some untrust worthy? yes sure I am slow now tell me
Harapan845 [#37]wait why does it do that?
I don't know about the guy above but it shows the desperation for money. Which can be tied in as a reason for the accusation.
Disclaimer: im not takimg sides, just provided an example used in courts.
Dandy_Chiggins [#42]I don't know about the guy above but it shows the desperation for money. Which can be tied in as a reason for the accusation.
Disclaimer: im not takimg sides, just provided an example used in courts.
everyone in the world on some level has a desperation for money
HavocWEEB [#33]i read the tweet again and saw the part u mentioned but he still has contradictory statements in this tweet
care to point them out?
nobody___100 [#19]I think if anything TenZ and SEN as an org lost because of it.
bro they won a masters because of it
u right but sen might have won with sinatraa too
I cannot show the video because she asked me to delete it after we broke up which I did
The reason I didn’t provide the video is because I just thought she MUST provide the video because she’s accusing me , but I guess not
doesnt 2nd statement imply that he was still in full possession of the video during the investigation? if he did delete it, why would he say "The reason I didn’t provide the video" which suggests the idea that he actually could provide the video?
ronaldinhoooooooooooo [#4]bro got conviced by PROD... yea sinatraas on a downward spiral for sure.
LoL, bro ur legit dumb for thinking that some people just watch so many streams that they get convinced how a person is in real life just by watching his streams , do u think mooda or shanks act like how they are on stream in real life heck no bro
ronaldinhoooooooooooo [#39]Sinatraa/Prod stream 12 hours a day. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. You realize those 2 are "friends" bc nobody actually likes them. Birds of the same feather flock together.
Also for sinatraa, he gained his audience bc he was a cracked gamer. He chose to stick to this arrogant "im better than you, and I'm rich, have fun at mcdonalds" "persona". I feel like anyone who watches them has to be a bit odd. If you like watching people who feel the need to flex on haters instead of ignoring, you do you. ngl val community is just cooked in general
In Prod's case it's more of a persona than skill but still similarly obnoxious.
My post was mainly just meme, i kinda see them as thing 1 and thing 2 tbh.
As far as the "situation" idrc, he's gonna hear it for the rest of his life. Kinda like Drake. Maybe get over it or since your sooooooo mega rich, get off the internet? Playing Valorant doesn't require a twitch stream. lmaoooooo
Hating at its best , get a life
KClaw [#54]LoL, bro ur legit dumb for thinking that some people just watch so many streams that they get convinced how a person is in real life just by watching his streams , do u think mooda or shanks act like how they are on stream in real life heck no bro
he does say his post is mainly a meme in #39
moomoomoomeadows [#52]is the audio file still accessible? i remember it being pretty difficult to misinterpret but i'd be willing to listen again with his new explanation
Nope it's gone like quite some time ago, but u could try, I didn't find it even last year so don't know abt now
Camille [#51]bro has a porsche and a million dollars, he needs to stop caring
He has a porsce what? Damn but that's beside point bro a sexual allegation is pretty dang big thing , it's not something like oh I should stop caring abt this , it's especially shit to hear people accuse u especially when u may have not done anything
WARDELL_LAN_DODGER [#46]heard this guy is a rapist! not good!
Heard is to be emphasized here, it's a dangerous word in a dangerous situation
swaggerlikejagger [#49]I cannot show the video because she asked me to delete it after we broke up which I did
The reason I didn’t provide the video is because I just thought she MUST provide the video because she’s accusing me , but I guess notdoesnt 2nd statement imply that he was still in full possession of the video during the investigation? if he did delete it, why would he say "The reason I didn’t provide the video" which suggests the idea that he actually could provide the video?
the wording is a bit shady BUT TBF "I didn’t proof read or pre think any of this shit" i think bro was just rambling
nobody___100 [#28]selling your body and profiting off of the insecurities of disillusioned young men is simply put, not good
sometimes the circumstances force you to (demon1's gf for example) but otherwise it is quite bad
wait demons1 gf is an of star?
U know the most fucked up part that I don't like no matter what case scenario when such things happen is the fact that the Company themselves or the organisation themselves INVESTIGATE THE MATTER , like the fuck are you all , either hire a real fucking guy who could investigate independently without bias cause let's be real if org investigates there could be bias on the players side or if the company like riot here does there again could be bias considering they will try an option that doesn't damage their reputation no matter if that's the wrong decision so yeah, a different independent guy should be hired for investigation who's actually knowing abt this stuff
KClaw [#64]Also something that always bugged me is the fact that why wasn't there any real legal proceedings against him if the proof was so strong or even some police involvement like there was nothing of such reported ? Is the US law that weak like I am genuinely asking why wasn't there anything like that
yes to your last question
KClaw [#64]Also something that always bugged me is the fact that why wasn't there any real legal proceedings against him if the proof was so strong or even some police involvement like there was nothing of such reported ? Is the US law that weak like I am genuinely asking why wasn't there anything like that
sinatraa's ex withdrew from the case, it has nothing to do with how effective the american legal system was. i would say that was because the proof wasn't so strong, though others will say that it was because of the online harassment.
swaggerlikejagger [#49]I cannot show the video because she asked me to delete it after we broke up which I did
The reason I didn’t provide the video is because I just thought she MUST provide the video because she’s accusing me , but I guess notdoesnt 2nd statement imply that he was still in full possession of the video during the investigation? if he did delete it, why would he say "The reason I didn’t provide the video" which suggests the idea that he actually could provide the video?
you seem to be insinuating that sinatraa possibly had the video, but didn't supply it as it incriminated him, but that makes no sense, since if the video was incriminating, why wouldn't his ex provide it as evidence? we know she had it, considering she extracted the audio file.
whether this contradiction actually exists or not, the result is that it doesn't play a part in actually contradicting any of sinatraa's main points.
Harapan845 [#50]im pretty sure #49 outlines that
#49 could be a contradiction, sure, but as i say in #68 it doesn't actually contradict any of his points
KClaw [#64]Also something that always bugged me is the fact that why wasn't there any real legal proceedings against him if the proof was so strong or even some police involvement like there was nothing of such reported ? Is the US law that weak like I am genuinely asking why wasn't there anything like that
yes us law is geniunely that weak. we call our principle "innocent until proven guilty" which means you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is guilty. this means for example, if someone goes "theres snow outside" if we didn't see the snow fall then we can't say it snowed. so if a woman wants to win a sa case against someone she knows, she basically needs the guy to confess he did it knowingly as sa.
moomoomoomeadows [#71]yes us law is geniunely that weak. we call our principle "innocent until proven guilty" which means you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is guilty. this means for example, if someone goes "theres snow outside" if we didn't see the snow fall then we can't say it snowed. so if a woman wants to win a sa case against someone she knows, she basically needs the guy to confess he did it knowingly as sa.
source: i did jury duty like two weeks ago on a criminal case
Hynix [#69]#49 could be a contradiction, sure, but as i say in #68 it doesn't actually contradict any of his points
first he says he doesnt have the vid and deleted it a long time ago. Then he says he chose not to share it, which means he does have it. He also said in this tweet that he said in a previous tweet he would share the vid. so does he have the vid or not?
ronaldinhoooooooooooo [#39]Sinatraa/Prod stream 12 hours a day. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. You realize those 2 are "friends" bc nobody actually likes them. Birds of the same feather flock together.
Also for sinatraa, he gained his audience bc he was a cracked gamer. He chose to stick to this arrogant "im better than you, and I'm rich, have fun at mcdonalds" "persona". I feel like anyone who watches them has to be a bit odd. If you like watching people who feel the need to flex on haters instead of ignoring, you do you. ngl val community is just cooked in general
In Prod's case it's more of a persona than skill but still similarly obnoxious.
My post was mainly just meme, i kinda see them as thing 1 and thing 2 tbh.
As far as the "situation" idrc, he's gonna hear it for the rest of his life. Kinda like Drake. Maybe get over it or since your sooooooo mega rich, get off the internet? Playing Valorant doesn't require a twitch stream. lmaoooooo
I wanna understand your thought process like how it works inside your brain i am genuinely curious
Hynix [#67]sinatraa's ex withdrew from the case, it has nothing to do with how effective the american legal system was. i would say that was because the proof wasn't so strong, though others will say that it was because of the online harassment.
"Sinatraa's ex has withdrawn from the case, and this decision is unrelated to the effectiveness of the American legal system.
According to a 2021 article by The Guardian, rape is one of the easiest violent crimes to escape justice in much of the world. In the U.S., only 19% of reported rapes and sexual assaults result in arrests, and just around 6.5% lead to a conviction. I can provide the link to this source if needed, but I want to keep this brief.
For survivors, the decision to pursue a case is ultimately personal; they know what happened to them, and the trauma they carry is immense. Often, the involvement of the courts, convictions, and police only adds to their suffering. Speaking from the experiences of people I know who have faced these situations, the court process seems to offer little in the way of healing.
When someone asks, "But why not tough it out and seek a conviction to protect others?" I reference The Guardian's statistics. Only 6.5% lead to a conviction, which highlights the vast disparity in outcomes. To further illustrate this disparity, I will also refer to https://rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system.
This issue extends beyond the points already discussed; https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6994185/#S4 is also an excellent study if you're interested in looking further into it. I believe your perspective is fundamentally flawed; it is well-known that the U.S. justice system regarding sexual violence is biased in favour of the perpetrator from the outset.
moomoomoomeadows [#72]source: i did jury duty like two weeks ago on a criminal case
Woh didn't know that much about US law is that weak
Bonkbonk201 [#75]"Sinatraa's ex has withdrawn from the case, and this decision is unrelated to the effectiveness of the American legal system.
According to a 2021 article by The Guardian, rape is one of the easiest violent crimes to escape justice in much of the world. In the U.S., only 19% of reported rapes and sexual assaults result in arrests, and just around 6.5% lead to a conviction. I can provide the link to this source if needed, but I want to keep this brief.
For survivors, the decision to pursue a case is ultimately personal; they know what happened to them, and the trauma they carry is immense. Often, the involvement of the courts, convictions, and police only adds to their suffering. Speaking from the experiences of people I know who have faced these situations, the court process seems to offer little in the way of healing.
When someone asks, "But why not tough it out and seek a conviction to protect others?" I reference The Guardian's statistics. Only 6.5% lead to a conviction, which highlights the vast disparity in outcomes. To further illustrate this disparity, I will also refer to https://rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system.
This issue extends beyond the points already discussed; https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6994185/#S4 is also an excellent study if you're interested in looking further into it. I believe your perspective is fundamentally flawed; it is well-known that the U.S. justice system regarding sexual violence is biased in favour of the perpetrator from the outset.
i was advised that you should file a complaint, even if you don't pursue it further, because its evidence for the next girl they attack. apparently its so normalized to not investigate assaultors you need multiple women filing complaints to get attention.
moomoomoomeadows [#77]i was advised that you should file a complaint, even if you don't pursue it further, because its evidence for the next girl they attack. apparently its so normalized to not investigate assaultors you need multiple women filing complaints to get attention.
My friend told me about this situation, but she didn't take action because she was too afraid of the potential consequences. The low conviction rate and the involvement of a close family friend, who had family support, made her hesitant. It frustrates me that people are quick to support harsh laws while rejecting the updates needed for laws that are clearly unfit for purpose.
HavocWEEB [#73]first he says he doesnt have the vid and deleted it a long time ago. Then he says he chose not to share it, which means he does have it. He also said in this tweet that he said in a previous tweet he would share the vid. so does he have the vid or not?
im simply saying it doesn't matter? we can assume he doesn't because why would he keep it hidden?
I don’t really know about the rest of the shit, but I’m calling BS on the lawyer part.
I don’t have much experience in defamation or torts in general. I also don’t work with celebrities, but I feel like no (good) lawyer is going to tell you to post a claim that you aren’t going to follow through with. It’s just opening your client up to unnecessary liability, and yourself up to liability if your client ends up being hurt by it.
moomoomoomeadows [#71]yes us law is geniunely that weak. we call our principle "innocent until proven guilty" which means you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is guilty. this means for example, if someone goes "theres snow outside" if we didn't see the snow fall then we can't say it snowed. so if a woman wants to win a sa case against someone she knows, she basically needs the guy to confess he did it knowingly as sa.
while i mean not and never mean to discredit anybody's experience with SA, your claim that a confession needs to come out is simply not true; it's difficult, you'd be absolutely correct to say that, but would it be more just to make it easy? if not innocent until proven guilty, what? guilty until proven innocent? is that the principle that would make a "strong" justice system?
moomoomoomeadows [#71]yes us law is geniunely that weak. we call our principle "innocent until proven guilty" which means you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is guilty. this means for example, if someone goes "theres snow outside" if we didn't see the snow fall then we can't say it snowed. so if a woman wants to win a sa case against someone she knows, she basically needs the guy to confess he did it knowingly as sa.
Also worth noting that any evidence such as video or audio recordings would not be admitted under rules of evidence. Most states have rules that bar nonconsensual audio and video recordings from being admitted as evidence if they’re in a place with a reasonable expectation of privacy.
There’s good reasons for this though, so don’t get it twisted.
Bonkbonk201 [#75]"Sinatraa's ex has withdrawn from the case, and this decision is unrelated to the effectiveness of the American legal system.
According to a 2021 article by The Guardian, rape is one of the easiest violent crimes to escape justice in much of the world. In the U.S., only 19% of reported rapes and sexual assaults result in arrests, and just around 6.5% lead to a conviction. I can provide the link to this source if needed, but I want to keep this brief.
For survivors, the decision to pursue a case is ultimately personal; they know what happened to them, and the trauma they carry is immense. Often, the involvement of the courts, convictions, and police only adds to their suffering. Speaking from the experiences of people I know who have faced these situations, the court process seems to offer little in the way of healing.
When someone asks, "But why not tough it out and seek a conviction to protect others?" I reference The Guardian's statistics. Only 6.5% lead to a conviction, which highlights the vast disparity in outcomes. To further illustrate this disparity, I will also refer to https://rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system.
This issue extends beyond the points already discussed; https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6994185/#S4 is also an excellent study if you're interested in looking further into it. I believe your perspective is fundamentally flawed; it is well-known that the U.S. justice system regarding sexual violence is biased in favour of the perpetrator from the outset.
you make a great point and i certainly misspoke. thank you for helping me understand the other side a lot more clearly.
while a variety of factors still contribute to my personal opinion that he was likely innocent, i agree that what you pointed out certainly would've contributed circumstantially.
Hynix [#81]while i mean not and never mean to discredit anybody's experience with SA, your claim that a confession needs to come out is simply not true; it's difficult, you'd be absolutely correct to say that, but would it be more just to make it easy? if not innocent until proven guilty, what? guilty until proven innocent? is that the principle that would make a "strong" justice system?
Ignoring the part about Sinatraa, and talking abstractly. If you know someone is guilty, but the nature of the encounter means that someone will never be found guilty because the only meaningful evidence will be kept out by exclusionary rules. Do you think there’s any justice in that situation?
Also as a side note, there are things such as preponderance of the evidence in civil trials (essentially >51%) but you’d still need to get the evidence in.
KClaw [#76]Woh didn't know that much about US law is that weak
most countries follow that principle... some notable countries that don't would be north korea, china, russia, cuba, venezuela, and taliban-controlled afghanistan (any patterns?). with few exceptions i would assume your country does as well...
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