They didn’t add Global Esports to franchising cause they wanted them to make the best korean roster in valorant, no, they added them with the idea that they would have strong indian representation. I am 10000% sure there are players from India that are taleneted enough to compete at the highest level. GE is not looking hard enough. They have completely given up on their own country. Disappointing to say the least.
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gold2peak [#2]"I am 10000% sure there are players from India that are taleneted enough to compete" 🥴
it’s one of the largest countries in the world, you are delusional if you think they don’t have good players
HenBabyH [#3]it’s one of the largest countries in the world, you are delusional if you think they don’t have good players
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HenBabyH [#3]it’s one of the largest countries in the world, you are delusional if you think they don’t have good players
India have good players? Which one? 2023 OP sova player that got kicked to Tier 2? or the 2024 equal worst rating?
y0yster [#4]I don't mind no indians on the team. B8 if GE signs blazeking I'm gonna riot.
GE can do the funniest thing ever by adding GlazeKing 🗿
Mortadelo [#10]That's like saying they didn't add TH to franchising so they could build the best Turkish team. Tf is that supposed to mean
let me ask you a question, why do you think riot decides to add GE to franchising instead of an org like dplus which riot already has great relationships with
HenBabyH [#3]it’s one of the largest countries in the world, you are delusional if you think they don’t have good players
Name them then
HenBabyH [#11]let me ask you a question, why do you think riot decides to add GE to franchising instead of an org like dplus which riot already has great relationships with
Very simple imo. Koreans (not that many in valorant) are already gonna watch the games because they have DRX/GenG/T1, adding DPlus would increase the viewership very lightly. By adding GE you unlock a whole region which might not be big now but its potential is undeniable.
To put it simply, although DPlus is bigger than GE, GE is more beneficial because DPlus overlaps an already existing fanbase
Mortadelo [#14]Very simple imo. Koreans (not that many in valorant) are already gonna watch the games because they have DRX/GenG/T1, adding DPlus would increase the viewership very lightly. By adding GE you unlock a whole region which might not be big now but its potential is undeniable.
To put it simply, although DPlus is bigger than GE, GE is more beneficial because DPlus overlaps an already existing fanbase
exactly! however, there is less incentive for india as a region to watch vct if there is no representation for them, which is exactly what GE is about to do
They hosted open tryouts allowing indian players to porve themselves. India does have the largest (depending on what data you use) population on earth. But only a very very small percentage of that population has access to good setups, is interested in valorant and has the time to practice enough to be good.
Na education moment
HenBabyH [#3]it’s one of the largest countries in the world, you are delusional if you think they don’t have good players
Why don't they perform well in ascension then 😿💔
HenBabyH [#15]exactly! however, there is less incentive for india as a region to watch vct if there is no representation for them, which is exactly what GE is about to do
Orgs for fanbase and stable ecosystem! Not orgs who just go and do scandals dont pay their players GE has a good history with their players and management and a good background also i think orgs like D Plus Esports didnt invest enough in valorant + there were already 3 Korean orgs which are wayy better were already chosen
I deny this even when there was no Indian in the roster in beginning of some matches of 2023 many people watched GE games people care more about performance then players if GE performs well regardless of Players people will show up and support the problem is even with only 1 Indian and so many imports GE has lost always and not showed good potential
EverSince333 [#19]They gave open tryouts to Indian players. Now if they're not good enough that's on them 🏍
That's exactly the thing.. LF made to last stages of tryouts too...but unfortunately he wasn't there to be in roster
HenBabyH [#15]exactly! however, there is less incentive for india as a region to watch vct if there is no representation for them, which is exactly what GE is about to do
Well, as a Spanish fan I feel like I'm in that exact situation. At the very least me, I don't want Spanish orgs to force Spanish players into tier 1 for no reason.
If there is no talent they can't just invent it. I think GE with a winning roster would attract way more players and do better for the scene than 5 Indian players that place last. The problem obviously comes if they have no Indian players AND they lose, but that's something you can only relatively control and eventually will change.
Also in EMEA BBL and M8 have done the transition this year from full national to international, and even without seeing the results, for what I've read both fanbases love it. Might just be EMEA mentality Ig
Mikeyvlr [#20]Orgs for fanbase and stable ecosystem! Not orgs who just go and do scandals dont pay their players GE has a good history with their players and management and a good background also i think orgs like D Plus Esports didnt invest enough in valorant + there were already 3 Korean orgs which are wayy better were already chosen
I deny this even when there was no Indian in the roster in beginning of some matches of 2023 many people watched GE games people care more about performance then players if GE performs well regardless of Players people will show up and support the problem is even with only 1 Indian and so many imports GE has lost always and not showed good potential
i just think they would be doing more of a service for vct if their roster was primarily indian or at least had some indian representation, there may be some fans who are fans of the ORGs, but for the layman, they are less likely to tune in if the are not being represented at all
Mortadelo [#22]Well, as a Spanish fan I feel like I'm in that exact situation. At the very least me, I don't want Spanish orgs to force Spanish players into tier 1 for no reason.
If there is no talent they can't just invent it. I think GE with a winning roster would attract way more players and do better for the scene than 5 Indian players that place last. The problem obviously comes if they have no Indian players AND they lose, but that's something you can only relatively control and eventually will change.
Also in EMEA BBL and M8 have done the transition this year from full national to international, and even without seeing the results, for what I've read both fanbases love it. Might just be EMEA mentality Ig
EMEA and PACIFIC are completely different tbh, but rosters to be competitive in EMEA need intl players thats not always true in PACIFIC but south asia doesnt have enough talent yet for sure
HenBabyH [#23]i just think they would be doing more of a service for vct if their roster was primarily indian or at least had some indian representation, there may be some fans who are fans of the ORGs, but for the layman, they are less likely to tune in if the are not being represented at all
Fun fact most of u guys wont know this but GE is registered in Korea lol also they had a Korean roster before Indian roster!!
I think they are trying their best I just feel like they should have made an academy team by now nurturing Indian talent i think the whole ecosystem gotta change its not really the orgs fault if there is no willingness from players side thats what i feel tbh
Mortadelo [#22]Well, as a Spanish fan I feel like I'm in that exact situation. At the very least me, I don't want Spanish orgs to force Spanish players into tier 1 for no reason.
If there is no talent they can't just invent it. I think GE with a winning roster would attract way more players and do better for the scene than 5 Indian players that place last. The problem obviously comes if they have no Indian players AND they lose, but that's something you can only relatively control and eventually will change.
Also in EMEA BBL and M8 have done the transition this year from full national to international, and even without seeing the results, for what I've read both fanbases love it. Might just be EMEA mentality Ig
there tend to be larger players bases per country in pacific than emea, but fair point
HenBabyH [#26]there tend to be larger players bases per country in pacific than emea, but fair point
And don't get me wrong I would love to see spanish players. But Ig in EMEA we have more of a club mentality and we very much like to support orgs more than just players
What I do think is that those orgs owe to the scene functional academies in their region to change that in the future, and I'm afraid no one is gonna do it
Mortadelo [#27]And don't get me wrong I would love to see spanish players. But Ig in EMEA we have more of a club mentality and we very much like to support orgs more than just players
What I do think is that those orgs owe to the scene functional academies in their region to change that in the future, and I'm afraid no one is gonna do it
that’s why I think that Korea and China will ultimately end up dominating Valorant, they are actually investing in academies
Mikeyvlr [#24]EMEA and PACIFIC are completely different tbh, but rosters to be competitive in EMEA need intl players thats not always true in PACIFIC but south asia doesnt have enough talent yet for sure
Well yeah but VIT KC KOI GX TH don't have a single player of their nationality, they could very much have made a very competitive roster with at least 1 player from their country. BBL and M8 will both1 player of their region which Ig it's something but still
Mortadelo [#29]Well yeah but VIT KC KOI GX TH don't have a single player of their nationality, they could very much have made a very competitive roster with at least 1 player from their country. BBL and M8 will both1 player of their region which Ig it's something but still
The simplest answer is Riot want good orgs who can make a stable system and who show they care enough like invest in the scene create content and stuff GE has shown that! i dont think they are going anywhere anytime soon
HenBabyH [#28]that’s why I think that Korea and China will ultimately end up dominating Valorant, they are actually investing in academies
I don't think it will ever be as crazy as LOL but yes they will improve at a way faster rate than everyone else (Although Valorant is not very popular in Korea)
What DRX is doing with the academy is admirable with Foxy9, Beyn, Flashback etc
Mikeyvlr [#20]Orgs for fanbase and stable ecosystem! Not orgs who just go and do scandals dont pay their players GE has a good history with their players and management and a good background also i think orgs like D Plus Esports didnt invest enough in valorant + there were already 3 Korean orgs which are wayy better were already chosen
I deny this even when there was no Indian in the roster in beginning of some matches of 2023 many people watched GE games people care more about performance then players if GE performs well regardless of Players people will show up and support the problem is even with only 1 Indian and so many imports GE has lost always and not showed good potential
Dplus was the 2nd best structure in prefranchised ERA, and a reliable partner because of LoL.
People care about being represented, why would any Indian care if GE doesnt have Indian in their roster ?
Mikeyvlr [#31]The simplest answer is Riot want good orgs who can make a stable system and who show they care enough like invest in the scene create content and stuff GE has shown that! i dont think they are going anywhere anytime soon
Yeah I also don't think they will get rid of them. I mean they are clearly trying, sometimes you can't control if it works out or not, it eventually will
Anguibok [#33]Dplus was the 2nd best structure in prefranchised ERA, and a reliable partner because of LoL.
People care about being represented, why would any Indian care if GE doesnt have Indian in their roster ?
Bro thats what u think Ik many people who do care and still will watch GE matches without Indians playing in it!
yes D Plus was but there were already 3 good korean orgs T1 GENG AND DRX
Mortadelo [#34]Yeah I also don't think they will get rid of them. I mean they are clearly trying, sometimes you can't control if it works out or not, it eventually will
Another fun fact idk if this is true or not or u guys will believe it this is coming from CEOS stream
As per him GE is doing better than many other orgs in pacific! as they having bootcamps and everything in Korea they have a good structure and everything and they are doing well financially ofc not making profit or anything but better than other orgs they know!
but just they havent been able to perform on the big stage yet
Zyrux [#21]That's exactly the thing.. LF made to last stages of tryouts too...but unfortunately he wasn't there to be in roster
Make sense based on player who trialing with GE
Mikeyvlr [#37]Another fun fact idk if this is true or not or u guys will believe it this is coming from CEOS stream
As per him GE is doing better than many other orgs in pacific! as they having bootcamps and everything in Korea they have a good structure and everything and they are doing well financially ofc not making profit or anything but better than other orgs they know!
but just they havent been able to perform on the big stage yet
doing better than many other orgs in pacific! as they having bootcamps and everything in Korea they have a good structure and everything and they are doing well financially ofc not making profit or anything but better than other orgs they know! but just they havent been able to perform on the big stage yet
u talking about RRQ/TS? can't be GE for sure.
Warlordwibz [#39]doing better than many other orgs in pacific! as they having bootcamps and everything in Korea they have a good structure and everything and they are doing well financially ofc not making profit or anything but better than other orgs they know! but just they havent been able to perform on the big stage yet
u talking about RRQ/TS? can't be GE for sure.
he didnt took the name of any org but he just said it can be any org even orgs outside of pacific are struggling as he mentioned
EverSince333 [#17]Why don't they perform well in ascension then 😿💔
and even that team star players are kazakh
y0yster [#4]I don't mind no indians on the team. B8 if GE signs blazeking I'm gonna riot.
based on rumour, 98% its already Glazeking
Komekko [#35]I would think that India doesn't have as much of a good esports infrastructure compared to other countries making hard to find or foster talent for esports.
Dude our parents would hold a knife to our throat if we tell them that I wanna compete in online games as a career and for that I will play a game for 10-12 hours daily 🤣🤣🤣, me personally my parents scold me for playing more than two hours on my phone ( I was 14) at the time
AKIRA1988 [#16]They hosted open tryouts allowing indian players to porve themselves. India does have the largest (depending on what data you use) population on earth. But only a very very small percentage of that population has access to good setups, is interested in valorant and has the time to practice enough to be good.
Na education moment
Dude people are literally like we are the most populated country we can surely produce good talent, dude the most populated thing u r talking abt less than 20% of the people has laptops and pcs and less than 4-5% has pcs and laptops capable of running valo and then u subract how many of those don't play valo, or aren't interested in vct
At this point, no one cares about GE. Riot should kick them out of the league. What's the point of keeping them in if they’re doing nothing for the Valorant scene in India? In fact they are killing it. Boom should get the slot instead. For the average Indian fan, it doesn’t matter if it’s GE or Boom neither has an Indian representative anyway.
HenBabyH [#15]exactly! however, there is less incentive for india as a region to watch vct if there is no representation for them, which is exactly what GE is about to do
Dude I can guarantee you if we have an all Indian lineup in the next year on stage our stats will be the worst ever for any team and PRX will potentially become the first team to win a series using only 13-0 s
KClaw [#45]Dude people are literally like we are the most populated country we can surely produce good talent, dude the most populated thing u r talking abt less than 20% of the people has laptops and pcs and less than 4-5% has pcs and laptops capable of running valo and then u subract how many of those don't play valo, or aren't interested in vct
yeah man a lot of people are 14 on this site so it makes sense
Mikeyvlr [#37]Another fun fact idk if this is true or not or u guys will believe it this is coming from CEOS stream
As per him GE is doing better than many other orgs in pacific! as they having bootcamps and everything in Korea they have a good structure and everything and they are doing well financially ofc not making profit or anything but better than other orgs they know!
but just they havent been able to perform on the big stage yet
I totally believe it. Sometimes it just doesn't work out
Like it's a different case but imagine NRG keeps build super rosters like they are, but they fail a couple more years in a row. Riot will never have a problem with that because they're clearly trying to be good
Dybala21 [#48]KOI don't have spanish players : no one complain
TH don't have spanish players : no one complain
Vitatily don't have french players : no one complainBut somehow it's a problem when GE does not have indian players on their team? Sounds weird
The Spanish and French eSports scenes are already well developed but in India it’s just starting and we need support. India needs heroes of its own. If GE doesn’t give opportunities to Indian players how are we ever going to have that? Look at DFM they go 0-10 every year yet they still give chances to their own players that's how they got meiy. Why can’t GE do the same? Isn’t it their responsibility to support the Indian scene? That’s the whole reason they got the slot in the first place.
Mortadelo [#29]Well yeah but VIT KC KOI GX TH don't have a single player of their nationality, they could very much have made a very competitive roster with at least 1 player from their country. BBL and M8 will both1 player of their region which Ig it's something but still
European dudes are less resistant to accepting sports teams with no or few homegrown players as your own.
(Nevertheless, in the case of LOL, rumor has it that In LEC, Teams has different sponsorship sizes when has French/Spanish players versus Eastern European/German players).
In Asia, on the other hand, nationality is much more important. No offense, This is not to say that they're all nationalists, but "Asia" is just a way of referring to a bunch of linguistically and culturally disconnected countries.
Mortadelo [#51]I totally believe it. Sometimes it just doesn't work out
Like it's a different case but imagine NRG keeps build super rosters like they are, but they fail a couple more years in a row. Riot will never have a problem with that because they're clearly trying to be good
Exactly just they havent played well on the big stage yet
Dybala21 [#48]KOI don't have spanish players : no one complain
TH don't have spanish players : no one complain
Vitatily don't have french players : no one complainBut somehow it's a problem when GE does not have indian players on their team? Sounds weird
Theres only one indian org.
Theres a bunch of spanish and french players in the emea leagues.
Cant really compare it that way.
Biostar [#53]European dudes are less resistant to accepting sports teams with no or few homegrown players as your own.
(Nevertheless, in the case of LOL, rumor has it that In LEC, Teams has different sponsorship sizes when has French/Spanish players versus Eastern European/German players).
In Asia, on the other hand, nationality is much more important. No offense, This is not to say that they're all nationalists, but "Asia" is just a way of referring to a bunch of linguistically and culturally disconnected countries.
Yeah no I understand, the exact same thing happens in LATAM for example, many LATAM fans wanna kill LEV for going international.
So I suppose it’s a European thing but I don’t think either of those are the reasons, like we are extremely patriotic in that sense too and it’s not like I have much in common with a Polish guy either
It’s a really interesting thought tho I wouldn’t really be able to explain it either. My best guess is we’ve gotten used to it through traditional sports. Real Madrid for example has barely any Spanish players at all, and it’s not like we’re not the current European champions, yet no one complains
All of that being said my original point stands, I think it’s the most beneficial for the scene in the long term aswell. GE actually doing good would also attract so many players and make the scene thrive
xO1xi [#52]The Spanish and French eSports scenes are already well developed but in India it’s just starting and we need support. India needs heroes of its own. If GE doesn’t give opportunities to Indian players how are we ever going to have that? Look at DFM they go 0-10 every year yet they still give chances to their own players that's how they got meiy. Why can’t GE do the same? Isn’t it their responsibility to support the Indian scene? That’s the whole reason they got the slot in the first place.
According to reports, some indian players that went to GE trials weren't playing well. So idk how GE can support if the players wasn't good enough
xO1xi [#52]The Spanish and French eSports scenes are already well developed but in India it’s just starting and we need support. India needs heroes of its own. If GE doesn’t give opportunities to Indian players how are we ever going to have that? Look at DFM they go 0-10 every year yet they still give chances to their own players that's how they got meiy. Why can’t GE do the same? Isn’t it their responsibility to support the Indian scene? That’s the whole reason they got the slot in the first place.
meh, we don't need another trash team
Mortadelo [#22]Well, as a Spanish fan I feel like I'm in that exact situation. At the very least me, I don't want Spanish orgs to force Spanish players into tier 1 for no reason.
If there is no talent they can't just invent it. I think GE with a winning roster would attract way more players and do better for the scene than 5 Indian players that place last. The problem obviously comes if they have no Indian players AND they lose, but that's something you can only relatively control and eventually will change.
Also in EMEA BBL and M8 have done the transition this year from full national to international, and even without seeing the results, for what I've read both fanbases love it. Might just be EMEA mentality Ig
Spanish and Indian are 2 different problem, Europe is kinda unified wish isnt the case for India, and in Europe all our country are too small to have a unique country team that will be good enough. However India is 30x most populated than Spain, and will be the next China in the next decade.
Keep in mind that you better compare India with European union (Wish is 3 times populated), and Spain with Indian state, if Spain was a Indian state they would not even be in the top 10 (And Uttar pradesh is basically 5 times more populated than Spain. Sure, India is less developed, but they are develop fast
Mikeyvlr [#36]Bro thats what u think Ik many people who do care and still will watch GE matches without Indians playing in it!
yes D Plus was but there were already 3 good korean orgs T1 GENG AND DRX
You dont care when the team got 1 win before going out bracket, but in a round robin where they are virtually top 12 isnt the same
Demon1_The_GOAT [#58]Are Indians even disciplined in ESports games?
Most Indian players are only in it for the money; they lack both the desire and the intention to win anything significant
Anguibok [#60]Spanish and Indian are 2 different problem, Europe is kinda unified wish isnt the case for India, and in Europe all our country are too small to have a unique country team that will be good enough. However India is 30x most populated than Spain, and will be the next China in the next decade.
Keep in mind that you better compare India with European union (Wish is 3 times populated), and Spain with Indian state, if Spain was a Indian state they would not even be in the top 10 (And Uttar pradesh is basically 5 times more populated than Spain. Sure, India is less developed, but they are develop fast
I'm sorry but comparing countries based on population makes absolutely no sense, that's just not how it works, by that rule you might aswell give an spot to Nigeria or Bangladesh .What actually matters is the player base and in that case I imagine it is quite similar if the Spanish one isn't bigger.
Obviously there is a potential in India which must be taken into account which is why they're not completely ignored in the first place
Mortadelo [#63]I'm sorry but comparing countries based on population makes absolutely no sense, that's just not how it works, by that rule you might aswell give an spot to Nigeria or Bangladesh .What actually matters is the player base and in that case I imagine it is quite similar if the Spanish one isn't bigger.
Obviously there is a potential in India which must be taken into account which is why they're not completely ignored in the first place
NIgeria and Bengladesh are, as India not developped yet, even if you want to count in GDP India is 3 tiemes bigger than Spain, (And will be 4 times bigger in 10 year, etc, etc)
What count is the size of market you wnat to conquere, not the market youhave already conquer :P
Anguibok [#64]NIgeria and Bengladesh are, as India not developped yet, even if you want to count in GDP India is 3 tiemes bigger than Spain, (And will be 4 times bigger in 10 year, etc, etc)
What count is the size of market you wnat to conquere, not the market youhave already conquer :P
As I said I don't wanna count if GDP, I wanna count in player base xD
And no, I do not just count the size of the market I want to conquer. If I'm a toy company I'm not targeting elderly people just because there's more than kids. That's just not how it works. There is a target audience and that is the people that care about your product, and how many people cares about you product is seen in the player base
If you wanna give the slot from Indonesia to Australia because they have a bigger GDP, go ahead but the game isn't gonna make it very far
Dybala21 [#57]According to reports, some indian players that went to GE trials weren't playing well. So idk how GE can support if the players wasn't good enough
Only 11 players from all over India applied for the GE open tryouts that's because everyone in the scene knows the GE owner has a bad reputation. He tends to favor foreign players and overlook Indian talent. Many believe the open tryouts were just for show allowing him to claim he gave everyone a fair chance though his intentions were never genuine.why People think indian talent=Rossi,lf ..they both has been with GE for the past five years and washed long back the org never gives opportunities to outsiders. and how can they conduct fair tryouts when players are competing with 10 ping vs 80?
HenBabyH [#3]it’s one of the largest countries in the world, you are delusional if you think they don’t have good players
Not everyone in India plays Valorant its not at all famous in India if we talk in terms of esports.
Our esports scene is still developing and in its early stages. This is the first PC esports game where we're at least able to compete against teams from regions with a strong esports background.
Mortadelo [#65]As I said I don't wanna count if GDP, I wanna count in player base xD
And no, I do not just count the size of the market I want to conquer. If I'm a toy company I'm not targeting elderly people just because there's more than kids. That's just not how it works. There is a target audience and that is the people that care about your product, and how many people cares about you product is seen in the player base
If you wanna give the slot from Indonesia to Australia because they have a bigger GDP, go ahead but the game isn't gonna make it very far
Count player base is not a good plan, esport is here to attire people not only to keep people you already have. If the player base in India is low, then you need to invest more. if you don't you fall in Survivorship bias x)
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