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VCT KPopfication

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#1
idkbro

we need to start a conversation about how 90% of people attending events are 16yo egirls and u got kpop style fangirls simping for pro players on twitter

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danii1
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No conversation is gonna help with this topic I fear. Making this thread worthless and you're just looking for attention because you hate it so much

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Cryptic88
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hes not tho? its a real issue if they dont even know how to play the game or know the players at all.

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danii1
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A real issue? Sure. What do you want to do about this tho I'm very curious to hear

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idkbro
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Gotta join forces and force Rito into not pandering to these people by making them their target audience, its smart from a business perspective since women and even more so women who are into kpop and shit like that are materialistic and perfect consumers, they will just buy anything even if its useless but honestly the rest of us normal human being that just enjoy to play and watch valorant shouldnt need to suffer Riot pandering to such a minority because of capitalistic reasons, its fine if they wanna market the game to be more friendly to women but u gotta condemm these kpop style fanatics that start sending hate to players for stupid reasons and just bring a bad image to the sport ngl, I respect it because they only care about money but will valorant will be viewed as a serious esport long term if its main audience are beings like that?

#33
_MythoS
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Tf u want riot to do kick them out of the arena,
Like why tf u hate them so much what have they done to u
U need to calm down

#36
danii1
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What I'm saying

#37
z12
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this is just misogyny atp lmfao

#42
danii1
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It literally is yeah. At least from the op of this thread

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z12
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it is just that in general just a bunch of insecure men crying about women entering spaces traditionally for men

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idkbro
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brother this is not about women, this is about a very specific female audience, valorant used to be a woke esport that attracted mainly egirls with pronouns on bio and mental disorders but in the end thats fine, KPOP fangirls if u have never experienced it are not only toxic but incredibly dangerous individuals that arent much better than psycopaths who are obsessed over something

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idkbro
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https://x.com/chuuballing/status/1893673476889674226 I want Rito to not pander to them for capitalistic reasons, u cant force them not to watch valorant but its not like most of them even know what the agents are called so they might stop if they dont pander to them

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z12
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this is the funniest joke ever if zellsis is ok with mpreg fanart i dont see anyone talking about zellsis here and how he feels
this is all just an excuse for you to hate on women lmao get a life

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brother they are the ones doing making players pregnant on twitter, making video edits on players from a game they dont even play and literally drooling over players which is the only thing they care about because surprise surprise they dont play or give a fuck about the actual game and are just fangirls of specific players to the point they will start sending death threats and try to cancel other players if they talk shit, they are the ones that should get a life not us who literally just want to enjoy the game

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z12
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so you are just assuming shit and getting mad?

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idkbro
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brother, fangirls like that are literally the way I am describing them in every other shit they are fans of, what makes you think it will be different for valorant? I wont call you an idiot out of respect for you using that flag

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SleepingSnorlax
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I would say this similar stuff happened with Flashback as well when his matter arised and many of the prx fans on twitter went on a fucking outrage because they just got reverse swept by drx

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Bonkbonk201
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the fact zellsis replies to it is wild

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idkbro
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I swear to God most of these girls simping for players dont even play the game

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danii1
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That just seems like a you problem. Just mind your own business and stop caring what other people do if it doesn't concern you, especially something dumb like this.

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idkbro
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https://x.com/chuuballing/status/1893673476889674226 bruh, this is very concerning, having more women than in cs is fine but this is just very weird behaviour, do you really want these people to be everywhere in valorant esports? they will make this game insufferable eventually

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makoidk
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the audience is valorant esports' main distinction from cs. can't really do anything about it, although i do dislike the "Kpop-ification" of players/teams specifically

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Cryptic88
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half of these so-called fans dont even know whats going on most of the time. they just bandwagon the most popular teams

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IonlywatchvcjXD
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Sounds like vlr 😂

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Cryptic88
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at least vlr users know who are the pro players. those "k-pop" fans dont

#51
makoidk
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does @SmoggyUwuKitten65 know about ZETA barce and his Brimstone at Masters Berlin 2021 ? nope...

#98
uwukitten
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yo what did I do 🗿

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z12
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trve

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idkbro
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not wrong tbf

#59
Srathens1
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Yeah this, its always the same teams: SEN and PRX mostly but also FNC and EDG

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idkbro
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Boaster my little baby POOKIE DOOKIE YADAYAYAYADA 💫💘🌙🤲🏻😭🪄👶🏻✨🤏🏻🎀💖🌈 AM I THE ONLY ONE ✨ WHO HAS THOUGHT 🤲🏻 ABOUT BEING IMPREGNATED BY BOASTIIIIES 👶🏻 THE CUTIE PATOOTIE 🎀 ??? 💫💘🌙🤲🏻😭🪄👶🏻✨🤏🏻🎀💖🌈💫💘🌙🤲🏻😭🪄👶🏻✨🤏🏻🎀💖🌈

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MalMallam
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woah didnt know you felt that way man

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HIMNOTHER
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Im so nervous .. so I said yes, for me 😭 btw my baby is so good in the matches and super adorable after match 💖 rest well, have a good night my kangbao 💫💘🌙🤲🏻😭🪄👶🏻✨🤏🏻🎀💖🌈

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danii1
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It's honestly funny to me 😭

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idkbro
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tbf its funny unless they become the majority and they start sending death threats/harassing players they dont like like switfties/kpop fans

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IonlywatchvcjXD
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It's as simple as somewhere along the line, riot's marketing strategy intentional or not started to attract those kinds of people instead of the intended ones.

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Cryptic88
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it looks intentional to me. their league and val fanbase and playerbase are filled with cringe and toxic people

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IonlywatchvcjXD
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Idk about intentional tho, Riot are doing their activity in East Asian countries and countries like Thailand. Those countries even without Riot intentional marketing will attracts fangirls sooner or later, that's just how they are.

At the end of the day, it's the orgs themselves that choose how to market themselves. Riot only cares about the skins.

Idk abt cringe, but it would be either naive or you're just new to esports to think that other games don't attract toxic people. It's a competitive game.

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Cryptic88
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no like league players specifically are the worst human beings on earth. val players dont even touch the level of toxic yet because their insults are like weak af

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HIMNOTHER
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💫💘🌙🤲🏻😭And many of you denied my point when I bring it up✨🤏🏻🎀💖🌈
https://www.vlr.gg/post/4603856/vlr-vs-cs-esports
💫💘🌙🤲🏻😭We know this situation is crazy✨🤏🏻🎀💖🌈
Their fan art are making players pregnant 😭😭😭 Who can take that? not me

#14
IonlywatchvcjXD
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you could've just said Valo attracts more female fans than male fans, but you had to say man are associated with smoking gambling and shittalking..

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Cryptic88
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val attracts more incels too. im lucky that apac have very few cringe e couples. im sorry for emea and na tho yall suffer every game bcz of those ppl

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idkbro
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only if u are low elo u suffer those fucks, thankfully the higher elo u are it becomes less common, u might see girls getting carried by their duo but not in a cringe way

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HIMNOTHER
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We know the fact not every men do gamble, alcohol, support shit talk or wild thing.
But...
If some sport let their audeince freedom to enjoy all these thing. Who are they attract?
the answer is Grow up male or in another word = "MAN"

It's just simple marketing bro you don't have to tweak the word it's the fact all these thing build for man and keep another group out such as you sissy cute boy. ✨🤏🏻🎀💖🌈

#97
bE
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you're so sigma bro 🥶🥶 owned these beta males 💯💯

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fanofzmjjkk
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You are crazy.

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Cryptic88
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Im so nervous .. so I said yes, for me 😭 btw my baby is so good in the matches and super adorable after match 💖 rest well, have a good night my kangbao 💫💘🌙🤲🏻😭🪄👶🏻✨🤏🏻🎀💖🌈

#18
Marc_
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he isn't,
looking at your username i get it why are you calling him crazy

#20
z12
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when did vlr start becoming so soft

#124
SAMPV6
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always has been

#21
Cacachocolat
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I'm going back to CS, real chads game.

#23
Marc_
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valarante child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike counter strike with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism so need child game to relax

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danii1
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No one is holding you back

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MalMallam
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"chad" LOSER SPOTTED LOSER SPOTTED LOSER SPOTTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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FiredSkull-
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IDK wdy mean by chads game when I play CS I see bunch of N-word Ak and I am too sacred to open mic in CS bcuz I don't want hear Racial slur in 3 different language (SEA)

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Cacachocolat
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I was obviously ironic I don't even play the game lmao

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aburnie
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This is just a common theme with RIOT game franchises no? League is very much the same and VALORANT is basically the FPS equivalent or supposedly tries to be. It has always been this way as well in Asia especially hence why VALORANT is big on casual gamers and playerbase. Better to target an opening in the market than try to get CS fans to shift over which they know they won't since the remaining playerbase is either die hard fans or gamblers and skin merchants.

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IonlywatchvcjXD
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Riot isn't even the problem imo, you're doing business in Asian countries where these kinds of behavior are common, that's just the "risk" of doing business here.

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idkbro
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interesting that this behaviour is common over there in Asia, I guess normal fans who genuily enjoy the game will have to suffer these people but honestly if I have to see another edit of a player PREGNANT I will lose it, I can tolerate fangirls doing video edits on players and drooling over them but pregnant edits is lowkey sexual harrasment or something like that no? lmfao

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FiredSkull-
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We need to start racist, transphobic, toxic chants like English football chants that Riot will never let that happen.

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Himari
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If theres ever a master of champs in the UK you get those types of chants

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saebr
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You sir are a true sigma!

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FiredSkull-
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First, why tf is your english is so fucking bad. Second watch some English footballs chants my fellow English men agrees with me that it will England and it is better even in Europe where u can hear slurs in 3 different language at same time and no Football enjoyer has ever complained about it bcuz it is big fucking joke in football community and your type of people will call something racist and u do not even belong to that race like we Indians gets called out many different time but we do no care we will laugh instead but u guys get offended for some god damn reason.
I will take racist, transphobic, toxic community that cares about the game rather than fangirls that are creepy af and have 0 knowledge about Valorant and pro Valorant and also does not gave af about current state the game, watch some platchat increase about games understanding they NA bias and cursing teams left and right but u still are gaining something and ngl they are funny af I want unhinged casting in vct and u Throw rex fans might have to vod review PRX playstyle ( They are still grouping up to take fights in defense to get number advantage in heavy retake meta, they are playing like its 2023 your deathball ain't working anymore and spatial DFM pearl 13-1 loss, there macro is so shit makes me question if they should bring a dedicated igl instead Forsaken doing everything) .
I doubt you are Chinese ( u can make it clear, whenever I interact with Chinese they have been very respectful) I will apologies in advance but LOL fangirls start coming into VCT to glaze pros that will ruin the competitive image of VCT ( Valorant is image pretty shit bcuz of schrodingerLee ) Use your brain instead of typing 🤓"You sir are a true sigma!" What do you want to achieve is your life so meaning less u can't even argue , U are living in this beautiful blue bubble trap where u can be alive and you are living a miserable life that u can fix but u are just retarded that have 0 prepose in life not everything is racist, sexist ,misogyny , homophobic. People have a stereotype but most the racist statement are just sarcastic and u can't even take that. We Indians take racism left and right but we do not care, we just move on with our problems in our life. There was one girl in masters Bangkok who made the sign "TMV GLUE UP" this is a joke take it as joke requesting TMV to oil up doesn't makes us P.Diddy we make request to make fun of him and that's the HUGE HUMOR OF VCT nothing else is fun that is all we got so I want to make racist, transphobic, toxic chants (sarcastic) it could be even more simple just as making chants of teams throwing 4v2,falling into abyss, losing so badly it makes question are they really getting paid. That's it but u are stuck at 🤓"You sir are a true sigma!"
rethink your life, how are u gonna live it ? Is my future stable ? Am I gonna enjoy my profession ? I have left playing Valo long time ago I just check new agent or new map u should quit too. I just want enjoy Sports and Esports so I just want crowd that are actually hyped for the game like the cs:go blast Paris major crowd it is pinnacle of esports crowd very hard to replicate if u want that in Champs Paris but it is what I wish for.
I hope your future is bright, mine is soo bright that even I can't that shit.

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Himari
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But these twitter accounts will be calling players "my baby" like there 20+ years old LMFAO its just werid behaviour

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HIMNOTHER
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and funny thing is they are 16 yr calling 21 yr a baby... man I can't

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Marc_
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league is filled with these creeps, i'm afraid val dosent have much time left before it gets fully plagued by these disgusting creepy mfs.
like how do you see shit like this and ignore like its NORMAL BEHAVIOUR???

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idkbro
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5k likes LMFAOOO

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Marc_
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i'm telling you man these mfs are not fucking real.

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HIMNOTHER
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so cute 👶🏻✨🤏🏻🎀💖🌈

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FiredSkull-
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Sen fans are do much freaky that they want Zellsis pregnant more than the SEN win and also artist also have been inspired by Hatsune Miku to draw people pergnant. The inspiration :- https://youtu.be/Ag3ziHnwHT0?si=SeX8s2BdOlqW8jEj

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TheOnion
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Tiktok created these weird people, shout-out to women though.

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idkbro
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I thought valorant being full of woke idiots (both men and women) detached from reality was bad but honestly we had it good back then ngl, nowadays I just see video edits about players like its kpop tiktok and in a couple months I am sure we will see 16yo fangirls writing erotica involving players lol

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TheOnion
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Only player edits I support are Leo ones, that’s my goat

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idkbro
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facts, as long as they are funny its fine for me but the asian fangirls are big in numbers and are now supporting heretics because of their performances last year and them being friends with the geng players, edits in a vacuum arent bad but the people doing them nowadays are serious about it and arent better than men who sexualize women who do sports and behave in obsessive and psychopathic ways like fangirls from other sports/music, this could eventually put the security of players in risk if they say something they dont like so its not something I would fuck around with if I am Riot, u cant really stop them but at least dont pander to them and make sure players receive the right security if they go to events in Asia

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Tiktok is banned in India (Thank God) is Tiktok audience this much mentally ill ? And Instagram have become racism and corn app ( like people are begging for the racist feed bcuz of the amount of the corn videos ON IG is insane)

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thankfully I only use twitter and tbf its not perfect and u can feel the political/phylosophical divide between western men/women nowadays but its not as much brainrot and u can always mute but yeah there is a lot of mentally ill people in both sides of it, common sense is something that is not common in this day and age on social media specially, its bad in real life too but social media makes u lose hope in humanity ngl

#66
GambleNats
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bro who actually cares? it makes money for esport, they enjoy themselves, the pros arent feeling pressure by them and they dont affect u or me... so who cares?

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idkbro
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it does affect us and even if its fine rn u gotta look into the shitshow it could become in the future if valorant becomes BIG, also idrc if it makes Riot/Tencent money because they are already billion dollar multinational corporations and dont even bother getting good PCs for players to play on

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GambleNats
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it does affect us and even if its fine rn u gotta look into the shitshow it could become in the future if valorant becomes BIG

how

#69
SleepingSnorlax
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I find it this shit creepy to some extent but I have very less knowledge so I’d pass

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Bl1th
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It's inevitable at this point, but I couldn't care less.

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MalMallam
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old man yells at cloud

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idkbro
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kinda I guess, just gotta accept defeat and pray that they dont do too much damage at this point

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MalMallam
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brother what damage. you arent forced to consume the content they make, you arent forced to go on twitter and look at zellsis mpreg art. go outside and enjoy the world and you will discover how meaningless your worries about this are.

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tserc
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This happens in real life sports as well.

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lila2123
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Is that really something u care about to an extent that u need to discuss it??? Think about real issues like class oppression or smth bro

#78
tserc
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if vlr tries to start discussions like that all of the users will get a time out (that's the minimum punishment)

#81
lila2123
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Then he should not be addressing politics in su h a manner. Instead, he can discuss how teams he doesnt like suck or smth idk

#82
tserc
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not sure if vlr keeps going in that rate without something interesting happening

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lila2123
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Wym

#89
tserc
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most of the time when a match is not happening, vlr doesn't have that much to talk about

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lila2123
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You can talk abt stuff, that isnt hateful politics man. Most of us manage to do that

#91
tserc
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I'm going to need to ask the mods for some clarification

#92
lila2123
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Clarification on what?

#93
tserc
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well, on what scope is politics/religion bannable or not

#84
deranker
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correction: 100%

#85
welikefortniteandvalorant
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it boosts viewership and fills riots pockets

who cars

#86
Eyck
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Idkbro is such an incel xD

#87
Warlordwibz
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If the events held in asia, u would get stuff like this. This ain't a thing in western culture.

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dobaridoyo
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get a job idk

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Loomer
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if this was about issues of racism sexism or any real form of hate crime within the community i would agree, but im convinced anyone who complains about the “kpopification” of vct doesn’t actually care about those types of things and is just angry that the vct community doesn’t fit the alpha male sports stadium type of crowd that you’ve come to expect from sports events

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STFU Its eSPORTS learn something from outdoor sports and also from CS look at the crowd, we all are hating fangirls who don't know jackshit about the game going in tourny like "Im so nervous .. so I said yes, for me 😭 btw my baby is so good in the matches and super adorable after match 💖 rest well, have a good night my kangbao 💫💘🌙🤲🏻😭🪄👶🏻✨🤏🏻🎀💖🌈".We don't know need that shit we need Buzz trash talking to DRX, we need Johnqt going "NUH UH", we need ZmjjKK giving inspirational quote, we need nAts giving call to his team "Just send it how? send it together!".
THIS WHAT MAKES VALORANT ESPORTS. Thai crowd is pretty good screaming top of their lungs and also WDYM by "alpha male sports stadium type " I have seen female crowd supporting their team. YOU and YOU alone are the calling it sexist , why don't u ask the fangirls coming to support
EDG? not every EDG fan is like that but we are pointing out THE FANGIRLS who are treating ZmjjKK as a idol and this shit only happens on Korea and China where idol culture is popular. Have ever seen TenZ fan doing shit like this? Respectfully try to understand the SPORTS CULTURE. Its not your fav Idol group, IT IS FUCKING SPORT.

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Wolfed
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see this is a REAL MAN
RAAAAAAHHH 🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺💪💪💪💪💪💪✊✊👹👹👹👹👹👹

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FiredSkull-
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Try to use your 1% of your brain to argue instead u are going "see this is a REAL MAN
RAAAAAAHHH 🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺💪💪💪💪💪💪✊✊👹👹👹👹👹👹" and I am expecting this from Paris Crowd :-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uQYeXjkKMg

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Wolfed
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i do use my brain by not trying to engage you using logic! we just have different opinions and views on tradition, which is fine. i was trolling, trying to offend you, which is my bad. i try to be open-minded to other views, and i just dont agree with this one in particular... i think there is not only 1 way a sport/crowd is 'supposed to be'. culture is always changing and always diverse, which is a beautiful and good thing, in my opinion.
i do agree with you that death threats to players are a bad thing. however, making harmless fan art and engaging with an imagination of an idol isnt the end of the world. in the end, more fans are good for the esports industry, which means we can continue to watch the game and players we both love.
sorry for messing with you, i just dont think a productive conversation is realistic on a platform as this :) have a nice day

#109
Wolfed
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there is no winning in an argument where neither party is listening to the other.

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FiredSkull-
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I am listening! And I hate the idea of IDOLZING Pro players bcuz these fans never vod review heck even there are many analyst
u can watch for free giving u complete breackdown of pro valorant and u know why you should watch analysis ? bcuz valorant have more tactical depth than u think but this type of fans will never take time to watch Sliggy ,Sideshow, TMV, Mimi , Chobra and many more u don't even need to watch there stream there is something called PLATCHAT™ u can watch that but guess what? they will never to do that, they have time for fan account/ glazing the pros but never for actual hardwork pros do for only to play like 3 matches a month, if u love your pros stop Idolizing them, keep that shit in the LOL and this type of incident is happening in 2025 this shit never occurred in 2024,2023,2022,2021 so fans who have been following VCT for long time can tell they are nothing but frauds and this loomer person is kpop fan that's why this loomer find it normal but any other pop industry does not have this type of culture. So I have to call it out cuz these so called fans are nothing but FRAUDS so I will them call out bcuz they were nowhere to be find when DRX was Vision Striker APAC's only hope before PRX and where are XERXIA fans (now Talon) aren't they Thai u have god of valorant rank god primmie and u still galze EDG where are primmie fangirls ohh wait they do not exist but boys where very respectful towards him cuz we know how hard it is to reach immo 3 (bcuz hackers,boosted player, trolls and if u criticize them for bad play u will hear rain of racial slurs) let alone hitting rank #1 for 8 acts straight.
I WILL RESPOND TO IS WHETHER IT IS TROLL OR NOT I DO NO GIVE AF ABOUT IT

#102
ninjaturtle
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They expect VCT crowds to be like CSGO crowds where there are only shirtless middle aged men

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FiredSkull-
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YES !

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Anzaldinho
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this is just not true 💔💔💔

#101
humble_y0y_10k
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last 3 events have been in Asia

#104
Wolfed
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there are so many worse things in the world, let people enjoy what they want

#110
HIMNOTHER
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but nothing worst than K-pop stans that pressure someone to -off- their life

#111
Wolfed
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dawg what

#115
gordonramsay
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the crazy thing is, they are actually 2 different fan bases. Kpop stans and korean netizens are completely different. Some would say they are on the opposite sides often. The ones that are making idols depressed are the korean netizens aka retard koreans in korea.

#112
gordonramsay
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Bigger things to worry about. Its kinda obv yall dont talk to bitches if this is what is bothering you so much. This is genuinely just teens fangirling over their favorite pros. Sure I would like cs type of crowd more but whatever who cares. Dont get me wrong, I dislike the way the community is going, but you cant do anything, when the valorant community is full of teens and young people lol. That parasocial shit, with pregnant pictures gotta stop tho, its a weird direction to be heading towards.

#113
Wolfed
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not every kpop stan is like this, by the way, the most extreme ones are the one we notice

#116
SAMPV6
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Sadly, this is the demographic Riot targets, so this is absolutely expected and intended behavior, and there really isn't shit we can do about it

#117
gordonramsay
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true shit my brother

#119
ark2
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so we’re complaining about this and not the weird comments on vlr made toward a lot of the female analysts/translators?

#123
SAMPV6
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we do criticize those, but don't expect people to call Mimi a good caster if she's not a good caster

#126
Wolfed
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that is NOT what they were talking about 💀

#122
n1cf
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nt bang pls dont blame urself u did well we proud of u kub🫂🫂 rest well after this see u kub
nt jj~ 🥺🥺 get lots of rest for now and we'll wait for u guys in stage 1~!! you come back stronger. we believe!!! 💪🏻❤️
ggnt kub 🥺🫳🏻🐹 no worries naa, ask p'kla to buy ticket for u nong jing and im always proud of you ♥♥♥
NT KUB NONG JING , take care of yourself , thanks for your hard-working for all the times and comeback stronger kub see ya in split 1 ♡♡♡ we lose today but didn't mean we lose forever and always be by your side until you get the trophy kub ♡♡♡
ggnt jj, we are always here to support you so don't be too hard on yourself okay ❤️
ggnt nong, you’re doing good so far, rest well and comeback stornger nong 🫂

#125
Mkael_J_Kabo0s3
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idk being a fan of kpop is fine and its often like a small percentage of actual fans. you shouldn't exclude a group because they like something but even then there's not much you can really do

#127
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riot has a pretty close relationship with kpop so there's not much they can do. The literal GOAT of league(Faker) is Korean, the best teams are often in East Asia, so its natural that there's been some overlap between the two. That plus their collabs with literal kpop groups(G-IDLE, KIOF, etc.) mean that its kind of inevitable that fans of both will like them. I don't really see the problem since as something grows problems with the fan base arise

#128
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?? na what?? your asking people to be excluded js because you dont like them???? like what?? i get that you dont like the 'k-popification' of valo but kicking out a specific group of harmless people(99% of them are) is straight up segregation.
if you dont like it js ignore.
valo will never be CS . they are fundamentally different games.

shit where personalizing players with pregnant drawings and like weird drawings like that should stop though. and ofc death threats and shit that the insane Kpop fans pull, that should be stopped

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