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my tierlist

abit too harsh on some teams but this shit isn't about emotion, if your shit your shit

loud A tier im sobbing

not mentioning the teams in S tier

EDG in D is just hating now fr

Vit not S yo

I thought you quit bro howd you relapse in under a day

I think vitality should be lower because, while they have a lot of potential, sayf’s igling isn’t proven yet. I’d be down to put them in S if they fry their first few games, but not yet ykwim.

Why RRQ on S tier ?

Is this bait? If not here are my arguments:

• Lev can't be S tier , demon1 has failed to play raze good and the plan there is to make him full duelist , even if he doesn't play raze and tex does , i am not sure how kingg would be on the senti role with tex on raze and demon1 on smokes, they have potential and so A tier high.
• RRQ shouldn't be S tier , they should be B, Kush is good but their throwing tendency still remains 6-0 up on heaven and threw the match, 10-6 up on split them again throw, also i don't put my trust in estreslla , he's not shown anything too great to make their team S.
• DFM is literally playing with a sub, tho some people may interpret that as this might be a degradation, there's no real proof to that, cause the real guy has played only abt 3 games , so this could be like a sentinels Zellesis /Pancada scenario yet they defeated an edg that was playing audaciously bad and wasn't on much practice. So they should be top B tier with A tier potential in future. Why cause they wouldn't win if put against a team like G2 or heretics in a real high stakes match.
• KC has too much role issue to sort out like suygetsu on smokes and avez on Initiator they gotta make sure both these are actually settled in well for them to play good plus marteen is an unhinged factor as sometimes he frags like crazy or other times can't do much shit. Plus they lost to BBL.
• Vitality- We saw the nrg shit show in 2024 cause they didn't have a proper igl , sayf is gonna igl here at the same time switch out to smokes as everyone is saying, adjusting to one thing in off season is hard enough that he gotta learn how to properly igl as well plus never seen them play yet so like bottom A at best rn but could be better in future.
• loud can't b A tier , idk firstly who's igling and the igl is either the new guy or Pancada i am guessing which is a big "if" factor ,plus I am not yet convinced by Vinny pick tho dgzin looks good enough, plus I am not sure abt Pancada or tuyz switching to senti as already seen Pancada doesn't do a whole lot well on that senti role seen in sen while tuyz looks best on that smokes role.
• mibr just cause they got aspas doesn't mean they become like good , only aspas and nzr are proven good here and artzin is decent not too good or too bad , tho other two are T2 prospects not sure abt plus again we haven't seen them play so bottom A or top B at current.
• Sentinels should be S tier if they switch back roles but if continue with the switch then A is alright as not sure abt how good John can do on that initiator role.
• NRG should be Bottom S or top A like the best A tier atleast, they have pretty stacked people and they have proven to be good and improve with each game in sen city classic plus if mada and Verno are looking madmen and Ethan and som are looking nice as well and fns seems to be fragging well.
• Fnatic the position u placed them in is good if Leo is back otherwise they shift to top batch of B.
• Geng should be top A atleast or bottom S as yoman can shoot back heavy and foxy9 is looking good tho not good enough as meteor on that kj and i believe meteor was the helm and rock of this team in order to win Shanghai.
• T1 roster is not only stacked they also have proven to be damn good by defeating G2 among others, they look a little bit slow tho so bottom S or top A again.
• Heretics how many times will u all doubt them , u said their Shanghai run was a miracle run and was fueled by patitek good form but they did it back in champs , if u r giving that position due to the focus match ,ur dumb cause boo literally said off-season we don't care abt and it's triple initiator with boo and Woot role switch and still they managed to win. They are top S.
• TEC isn't that good they weren't good this year as well just cause they took in hadong and rb doesn't mean they get B tier they are literally shit plus not to mention edg won like so much after hadong subbed out not a good sign bro... Top D or bottom C at best.
• Tyloo has literally shown nothing and is shit with no good pieces , C or D.
• Trace should be Top B like best B tier team or bottom A , they have problems but they maintained the team this year and have a high ceiling to reach plus if kai starts to shoot he doesn't stop, ludoking is a beast as well and heybey is awesome plus biank is the literal clutch guy.
• 100T - that ranking may be rough but i fw it heavy like I am done with this shit show of a team.
• koi isn't that good bro put them in C, they have randomly taken pieces out from different teams and haven't shown anything yet so that's why plus the players they have taken except for 1-2 aren't all like beasts.
• Navi is again C/D , except for Hiro , ange1, shao idk who's there here plus suygetsu and zyappan were their best players plus this org is dumb to kick doombros.
• Well u saw liquid play and they don't look good okay
  Nats, keiko and pati are good ones but kamo and kamyk are unhinged factors either good or bad. Put them in C
• DRX should be Bottom A bro like prolly last A tier team , the team will grow over time to be good with all the young firepower and if u say this cause of tenn invitational then let me tell u their team at that time had 1 week practice and as for rn they got defeated by trace but termi is literally on vacation so no real head coach.
• Talon is like top B or mid B , cause they maintained the core and crws seems to be hitting shots now and everything looks way fucking better than how it was looking in champs where it was a primmie only shooting.
• apeks are like bottom or midC , not so sure since they lost Their best player overall kaajak and other pivotal player soulcas.
• Fut should be Bottom B they do look convincing obviously they threw heavy against T1 but yeah thr good signs are there plus Xeus is way better than cned rn.
• Giantx should be top C , they look good enough man with cloud purpo runner Westside and tomaszy , it was proved when their core deafted the G2 core.
• BBl is top C or bottom B their T2 prospects are promising and will improve over time as seen rn.
• Zeta has playen less matches but look promising in all honesty top C or mid C especially with clz.
• GM8 should be D bro they have literally goked who coached the koi last year and made lev look like shit in their start year and in Shanghai not too good players in them as well.
• GE mid C I am gonna say , Again Tier 2 prospects exist and can improve over time.
• Furia is like bottom D, one of the worst teams in the world okay.
• BLG are actually looking hot so mid C seems good enough as seen in china off season events
• Wolves look good enough in china off season events and again mid C especially with the juicy addition ( obv he's not like goated but he's good)
• Edg are S bro the fuck is wrong with you, they literally had practiced only for 1-2 weeks at max after their vacations before this tourney , they were enjoying their entire off season , just cause they lost to dfm doesn't mean u put them in D.
• JDG roster looks not that bad to put them in D , keep in bottom C.
• Boom is not that bad bro ur dumb as fuck to put them there obviously they aren't too good as well put them in like mid or bottom C.
• spg are literally demon looking , they are A tier I am convinced u haven't watched pacific ascension all the players on it are beasts with great mechanics and mental.
• XLG looks promising prolly like mid or bottom C.
• 2G ain't that good to be placed in top C bro , they are more like bottom C or top D.

Prx at S please be serious

Ok 1st of all, who allowed prx into S tier. They good, no doubt. But them leading towards a more patient meta playstyle ain't it. Prx are a team where you think about them pulling out pretty buff neon and yoru into breeze with solo astra. Not playing default-y comps. Let them go full Joker arc and maybe S.

Loud and MIBR in A is outrageous. Loud is gonna be a worse team then before with a missing igl and a team of bunch of rough edges that need a aspas. Mibr have aspas, but what else. They'll be good considering they have the best player in the world but cmon.

I also think NRG could deserve S. The locked in newbies and a shooting FNS are too powerful.

Drx deserves better. They've beaten out the best of the best consistently and their only adding more to their star roster with former Korean superstars. Your not giving them enough credit.

BLG and EDG in D is honestly just rage bait

Give Nongshim red force a chance- I think they can actually upset.

saw lev and prx in s tier and i instantly remember ur a plat shitcan, all good tho

I do not know where the FUT being ass agenda has come from

Deadass i cant tell if this is bias or not

Also why EDG for D

i agree on the tier you put SEN but other than that there are some clear biases here. Some teams are way way off

Highest Chinese team in b is criminal

Loud a, 2g top of c, edg d(Ragebait), s and a are fucked