For china, it would’ve been slowly if his team wasn’t complete buns

Oh, of course, I completely agree with your points. It is interesting to see the juxtaposition of who is defending flor vs sinaatra/flashback (I wouldn't really count Mazino along with the other two because the initial accusation for Mazino was kinda goofy). I was just providing context for Gerogorum since I assume he didn't know the extent of the flashback story. Personally, I prefer not to comment/form an opinion about stuff like this when it's fresh, since I prefer to listen to both sides and get a more nuanced POV that simply isn't possible when what are essentially nukes are getting thrown around, so any comment/reply I make is going to be akin to expanding on situations that already have blown past with a generally accepted consensus instead on current drama :P

from what I remember, flashback (essentially) got accused of something WAY out of proportion compared to what he actually did. Basically, the allegations of rape turned out to be partially mistranslated (as in, rape was the wrong word to use, but one person translated it that way and it spread like wildfire), the sex was consensual (but the issue is flashback allegedly ejaculated inside when he promised to pull out), and flashback was a minor when it was happening so it wasn't like he was pulling a Diddy as people were claiming. Now, he shoulda used protection and/or pulled out, BUT the act of sex itself was consensual and it was between two minors of the around same age.

+slowly would be absolutely cooking. legit, would make edg a contender for #1 china again and probably like top 3-5 in the world

Is he getting replaced? He's actually pretty decent

he's from an eastern part of russia iirc, which looks less European for obvious reasons

tbf the issue with smurfs is you have no clue if they are smurfing or if they just came from another game. If donk decided to boot up val, he'd probably be in gold/plat lobbies initially (for his placements since that's just how placements work ig), but he's obviously mechanically better than everyone else, so he'd just dumpster on everyone. Alternatively, imagine one switches to a different tac shooter for like 2 years and then just came back to val recently... obviously mmr means that they'll be in bronze/silver lobbies initially :/

edit: smurfs are kind of just an unavoidable issue for f2p games like val. There's no way to moderate it because there will simply be too many false positives imo

prx is a very small org. They can't afford to splurge on fns and tenz like that (they can't even afford an assistant coach for alecks lmao)

top 3 player on bottom 3 team sadge

tbh I think putting primmie on duelist isn't the best way to utilize him (basically, my thought process is that he has a VERY strong clutch gene (he literally won 2 1v4s on his debut), so I would put him on agents with more longevity like sentinels instead of dive agents (but what do i know, I'm an armchair backseater xD). Anyway, I think he would lowkey be very good for the team since he would fit on senti on pretty much every map (and then just slap him on yoru/jett on some maps). Here are some comp ideas! (with some prx flair with jinggg on full time duelist)
Icebox: jinggg (jett), primmie (kj), davai (viper), forsaken (kayo), patmen (sova)
Pearl: jinggg (phoenix), primmie (jett), davai (astra), forsaken (vyse), patmen (fade)
Lotus: jinggg (raze), primmie (iso/clove/deadlock), davai (viper), forsaken (fade), patmen (breach)
Split: jinggg (raze), primmie (deadlock), davai (omen), forsaken (yoru), patmen (fade)
Fracture: jinggg (raze), primmie (deadlock/cypher), davai (brim), forsaken (vyse/chamber???), patmen (fade) <- imo just perma ban fracture
Ascent: jinggg (jett), primmie (kj), davai (omen), forsaken (yoru), patmen (sova)
Haven: jinggg (jett), primmie (iso), davai (astra/omen), forsaken (chamber/kj), patmen (sova)

edit: btw I do prefer something because vibes and primmie's english is eh? but this is quite fun in theory

damn I didn't know val had friendly fire

Prolly cypher

lowkey -wildoreo -2ge -jremy (maybe move jremy to academy roster? he's good but wildly inconcistent) +azys (duelist) +n1zzy (sentinel) +sultan (smokes would be very cooking imo)

If we're talking outside the mainstream talk and no trophy ever (forsaken and mako have regionals), probably invy. Since LCQ of 2023, he has been top 3 initiator in pacific on a bottom feeder team. I'm surprised no one has poached him yet. Very consistently good, even when he has... a questionable team.

Honorable mention is slowly. He's literally the only reason that Tyloo isn't the worst team in china im ngl. Even though he's relatively new, he's dragging Tyloo's team out of the depths. No joke, if EDG manage to destroy whatever blackmail Tyloo has on slowly (because there's no way he hasn't gotten a better offer from a better team), EDG will win champs paris.

I have a lot of faith in foxy9. 2-1 geng but primmie drops a nuke in quintuple overtime two maps in a row but talon get steam rolled last map.

2-0 for T1 because DRX is going through it with flashback leaving for the umpteenth time

Oh, then, I apologize. I was referencing the remarks that were screenshotted from like 2021, as that is what I thought we were talking about. I was unaware of that since I don't follow his streams :/

I feel like you missed what H3ENnZ and I said. Although, looking back on it, it is misleading that he didn't mention the r joke, but the racist stuff WAS from years ago. We're not acting like that specific joke was from years ago; he said something about the racist stuff, darkog__ asked for clarification about when that was, and I thus responded clarifying the racist stuff was from years ago (and gave a specific age range) but we didn't deny that the other stuff in the relationship was recent (in fact, I did clarify that, although I admit that I should've emphasized the severity of that and I do apologize for not emphasizing that). There is a lot more to the story besides that one joke now, so I, at least, was specifying the timeline for those.

From what I can tell, from immi's perspective, it's EG's first or second ban, meaning that there is a pretty decent chance that it is one of their weaker maps. Secondly, from what immi knows, the roles for icebox would be cooked for EG if they don't have at least one person off role.

edit: although i agree that it was a bad read considering c9's icebox is equally as bad...

Yeah, I would typically agree, but (at least in America) the stuff that cane said is tamer than stuff I've heard around middle school students (this is not hyperbole) in the modern day (source: I had to unfortunately go to my cousin's elementary). Unfortunately, the accumulation of lazy parenting (of parents just slapping an unregulated device onto children) and the misogynist sphere that rooted itself in the younger generation has led to kids like this. It's sort of an echo chamber that is hard to fix, since no matter what good parents do, the unregulated children will influence the others. I think, that given the political/social climate of America and how impressionable the younger generation are, we have to give cane some slack. I don't think he is right at all, but we have to be more nuanced about this than "cane good" or "cane bad."

Yeah, imo, it's two teens that don't know how to be mature about their situation but are given a platform. This is lowkey exactly the type of stuff that happens in high schools (as in people breaking up going scorched earth with each other because that's how teens handle relationships I suppose), which is not that shocking since both of them are high school students, but because the people involved have a platform, everyone is giving their two cents about it and thus are dividing people on the issue.

He's 16 now, so he was a preteen when he said all that and it was before he joined nv

edit: the racist stuff. The other stuff within his relationship was when he was 14-16(?).

I'm beyond cooked, but here's my attempt:

duelist: udotan
senti: udotan
smoke: udotan
flash initiator/flex: unstable
scan: udotan

imo cryo's yoru definitely could use some work, and he's only played two games on yoru and the one he did well on is against a lower end team. His iso, on the other hand, looks more polished (and is WAY easier to learn). Asuna's yoru is also pretty decent, so here's what I would personally run:

[Perma ban fracture]
cryo - iso (haven, split), chamber (lotus OR run iso on lotus), Jett (ascent, pearl (or run chamber pearl), icebox)
Asuna - yoru (haven, pearl), raze (lotus, split), kayo (ascent, icebox)
Boostio - kj (haven, icebox), vyse (lotus, ascent, pearl), viper (split)
Zander - omen (haven, lotus, split, ascent), astra (pearl), viper (icebox)
Eeiu - sova (haven, ascent, icebox), fade (lotus, split, pearl)

Basically, the idea is to keep boostio on his comfort pick of senti, cryo on mainly iso chamber and Jett as those seem to be his best agents (since yoru has proved to be inconsistent), asuna on either raze or flash agents (no gekko since gekko proves to be a bit of a challenge). Zander and eeiu have good picks as it is, so no major changes to comps there. Fracture is perma ban because, ideally, you want to run double initiator and raze/neon, but Asuna can only be one of those at a time.

#2 in rating, #4 in acs, #1 in KD, #1 in KAST, #2 in adr, #5 in KPR in stage 1. Bro is literally top 5 player in china only to be on arguably bottom three team in China ._.

slowly

governor had a good debut series tbh

2v2s. v1nny and fns on team, raafa and art on the other. Truly cinema.

Spitfires is inconsistent, but he has a high ceiling. Legit, if they put this guy back in, they will get at least one win

oh wait, I thought you said why do people attack governor and not patrickwho. My fault, you're absolutely right

governor has been in this form for like a year. Patrickwho has played exactly 3 games

I just realized AG still has spitfires but he's benched... literally get this hanche guy out and bring spitfires back in ._.

He's not terrible (some bias im ngl), but udotan is probably the better duelist

S0m has gotta be up there no? Ignoring the cove incident, he has been consistently top 3 controller in stats in NA

ideally convince som to stay imo. He's the second highest rated smokes player in all of Americas, second only to vic. He was the highest rated player for two weeks, only falling in the third week (still was the highest rated smokes player) and then falling off a bit more in week 4. wedid senti is pretty good too, so it would work out if we leave out moose

:o I knew this would happen

slowly has a very good yoru but I'm lowkey convinced that tyloo is trying to sabotage slowly's career

T1 won masters Bangkok using double duelist nearly every map lol

he went double negative for his first two series and only went slightly positive in his last series on 2g. He did cook in t2 tho so he has a high ceiling, but I wouldn't bet on it, especially for a mid season signing

I mean, I would assume that it is more than once if they kicked him with no hesitation this time around. Also, wouldn't this just be replacing an igl with bad mental/bad mechanics with an igl with possibly bad mental/eh mechanics? Surely there are better options out there.

In China, I think it's gotta be like rb or slowly. They're so good but stuck in lower end teams, so they never get talked about outside of VCT China conversations. I genuinely thought slowly was going to be the next Chinese goat with how hard he was carrying

zap got booted from 2g for having bad mental. I think it'd be a coin flip so I can see why BeraJr is a bit iffy on it.

yeah, it might be time for desperate measures. I know the plan was to replace tuyz with lukxo, but it might be better to replace v1nny with lukxo and move tuyz to initiator (his gekko wasn't too bad) and put someone else on igl.

Idk, he has a good astra. His range smokes are actually really good discounting omen. Surely it isn’t that hard to put him on full time smokes without omen right?

emea has an igl shortage so most of the imports are igls except koalanoob and less

But asuna can play yoru. Wouldn’t the better comp be asuna yoru and cryo jett?

I think that was one of the reasons he left SG

he was 16 or 17 I don't remember. She was also around the same age iirc.

zeta after signing new up-and-coming prospects just to off role them and ruin their career be like

I hate that Jessievash frags out. Every time he gets spectated I swear his aim is the most mediocre thing of all time. And then the game ends and he’s top or second frag on his team. How is this even possible? How can someone be good and bad at the same time? I don’t understand :(((

allegedly replacing mindfreak, which I think is stupid imo