Why do people act like Potter is some god coach?

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She won once with EG but the rest of her rosters were failures

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won*

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Don’t get me wrong she’s a very good coach but not to the point you would have to replace her with coaches like itopata, kaplan, zikz who she’s worked with before when he was AC,

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potter has had more people who REALLY love her or REALLY hate her cause she is the only female coach in the t1 scene

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okay, how is this relevant though?

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wym how is it relevant, im sure australian schools teach you how to read

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How does this have anything to do with her coaching ability though? The title questions why she is considered a good or bad coach, but this has nothing to do with gender.

Your response is about how popular potter is and u explain her popularity is heavily based on her gender.

How does her popularity have anything to do with her coaching ability?

Also I doubt that people who love her as a coach would conclude that she is a good coach because of her gender.

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the original title of the forum is NOT how she is a good coach but rather why people ACT like she's a god coach. i suppose nooomy is trying to say that some people are capable of OVERRATING potter because they appreciate her REPRESENTATION in the scene and would like her to get more ATTENTION

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I acknowledge that some people may find that because potter is a woman then they love her but the question isn't about how much she is loved or attention but is rather about her coaching ability. Frooti is saying “god” coach as in how is she great at being a coach, this is also implied by Frooti's subheader. And so your point about attention is irrelevant to the question.

I understand that people may overrate potter's ability because they appreciate her representation but noomys response implies what you just said about people loving her because of her representation and they overrate her ability at coaching because of this. I find that Noomy thinks that practically all people who love her because of her representation will overrate her ability at coaching then. - I thought that this was not true at all and so nobody would actually believe this so I just assumed that Noomy thought the question was more about why she is loved or disliked.

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its not about her coaching ability, its about her reputation. I think potter is an above average coach, but because she is a woman, there are people who overrate her abilities, and act as though she is by far the best coach in vct history and nobody else comes close.

This is also true for haters, as when EG hasnt done well people have been more critical of her as they would a male coach (think the george geddes comments at the start of 2023).

The point of my comment was that because she is the only female coach, she cannot have a neutral reputation in the community, because there are groups of people who are desperate to see her succeed and uplift/ overrate her because she is a woman, and there are groups of people who desperately want her to fail and berate her because she is a woman.

Objectively, Potter is a good coach but doesnt come close to people like Mini or ENGHH in terms of achievements or impact on the scene. She has had 1 elite team that she has coached but hasnt done much outside of that

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i typed chet > potter and got like a million downvotes idk why

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Because that is wrong.

Even rawkus > chet

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rawkus > potter confirmed.

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Also kaplan >>>>> chet

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Also KOI's BARBARR = Chet
They can suck each other's dicks

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She coached a team that barely made it into regional playoffs to a masters, with a bunch of players who'd never made it to an international LAN before. Then followed it up with a champions win. Plus, her roster this year was a budget one and they were still not that bad.

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This is true. All she had to work with were the remains after all the other teams picked up their rosters, and she still brought them to the same record as NRG and LOUD to end the season

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Not sure why you’re catching downvotes for speaking the truth. It’s not really a slight against NRG or LOUD — it just speaks to how good Potter is.

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Mhm

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asides from ethan but yea she worked with scraps and molded them into champions

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i have the perfect response to this. Gonna search my post history . Brb

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She's won once so now she's immune from any bad results her teams get from now on. If EG does shit next year, people will just dogpile the players. If they do well, Potter will get treated like a god.

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Chet won once and gets shit on on the daily

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When NRG does well, it's all thanks to FNS and the players. When they do shit, it's because of Chet.

And this logic also gets applied to Termi (and a good amount to Kaplan towards the end of last season).

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Because he's never done the same ever again.

His team was mid 2023 and trash 2024.

Potter was trash 21' and 22' but was great in 23' and decent in 24'

Once potter finally figured out a good system for her players she's been on a uphill trajectory while chet remained the same core of his 22' run yet still was dogshit.

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bobwoblob

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"uphill trajectory". "Went from winning champs to never making it to a IL and getting smoked by MIBR". Lmao.

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To be fair the MIBR game didn’t mean shit considering they were unable to make playoffs at that point 😂

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She made apoth, Derek, and nature look good. They literally beat SEN after they win Madrid.

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Pretty much everyone ran a train on SEN after madrid lmao. SEN in actual madrid/champs form would've smacked EG easily.

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meanwhile chet: "I woke up to so many supportive messages"

https://x.com/chetsingh/status/1846369884755972523

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bobwoblob

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Because Chet revealed his mom tried to commit self harm and he was dealing with other personal stuff. (https://youtu.be/APHiO95zbDg?si=LVDSA_FYLLre-ni2 )That doesn't change how much he got dogpiled on for the disaster that was NRG last year.

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Frooti

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You gorilla

Just because he gets supportive messages doesn’t mean he isn’t getting shit on

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I do agree she’s a little overrated. But she still is a great coach. 2023 EG should not have been a champions winning team, and without potter they wouldn’t have been. That team was very unique and took every player into account and put them in roles and positions to succeed. Literally every player was way worse the year after (boostio and jawgemo aren’t great examples tho so disregard them)

Demon1 put onto raze, potter would never have done that
C0m is a very unique player and potter made the most of him
and nrg built a team with ethan as igl, spending insane amounts to do so. Potter wouldn’t do that with Ethan

this isnt all because of potter compared to other coaches but she managed that eg team perfectly, whereas coaches like chet have been criticized for their man management (by fns)

and she also makes cool set plays so those will add to it

At the end of the day tho, speculating on how good a coach is will be pretty useless, because there’s only so much you can know. Only people who are in those team discussions and scrims and timeouts will rlly know

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Potter specializes in players with untapped potential i think that’s what most people don’t realize. Boostio wasn’t even that bad in 2024 tbh especially with zikz by his side, he had stinker performances here and there but i do not think it costed them a lot. His attack side calling seemed lackluster vs loud and kru imo and they were alot better in eg

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cuz she's a moneyball type of coach. doesn't need big names to make things work. however, coaches can only do so much to make up for the difference in skill. the departure of Jawg will be felt no doubt

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i honestly thought she was staying with EG because of Jawg, losing him is basically losing the core of the roster she likes to build around.
After losing Jawg i feel like that's when She will decide to leave, their is a 0% chance that she doesn't have offers from other teams.
The only problem is, theirs a huge chance that She wouldn't want to be anything but head coach.

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it was very evident

americas 2023

LOUD was playing split every match
EG Came as complety underdogs and destroyed loud
next 2 maps that loud werent playing alot they got destroyed

fast foward to playoffs

unexpected Fracture pick
eg got cooked
ASCENT usual map for LOUD
EG cooked them
BIND new comp for loud with saadhak chamber
EG gets cooked

masters tokyo

loud goes ascent and fracture
fracture same comp as before
eg destroys them
loud same comp as before
eg destroys them

champs

Ascent same comp for loud
EG cooks them
Lotus
same comp vs drx, prx, fnc
eg cooks them
eg for some reason got destroyed in split
prx and fnc did aswell, idk what was going on with loud's split
and Pearl, loud changed their comp from the match vs prx
resulting in another map win for loud
and in the final map
SAME ASS
Brimstone Omen Viper Skye Raze played vs navi and EDG
result: Eg owns them

americas 2024

Loud surprises everyone with phoenix comp
EG destroys them
other 2 maps without vods, gets destroyed

potter is diff
probs the greatest anti strat coach

posted 5 months ago ⋅ edited 5 months ago

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this only using loud as an example of course

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loud was just garbage in tokyo, using the maps they lost is meaningless

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With the chicken nugget budget shes able to make a decent roster eg should have qualified in 2024 but they threw some crucial games

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while i do think she's a bit overrated, all her rosters are pretty budgeted and do way better than expected, even if they don't suceed very much. her teams have very good collective teamplay and generally fall short on individual firepower

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"Fall short on individual firepower" is crazy especially because the only reason why these teams were any good was because they had someone with extremely good firepower. EG in 2023 would have never qualified to any LAN without demon1 and EG in 2024 would have never won half the games they won without jawg.

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he’s talking about players like apoth

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And at the time those players were still mostly undiscovered and didn't hold the champion status they do now, so you'd also have to credit her for picking them up and getting them to that level to some degree.

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Yes, she exceeds by being a great squad manager and potentializing every player individually through the collective. But that is always limited by the squad she chooses to play. Sometimes the ceilling isn't too high and we got just competent enough players.

2023 EG was a squad with good players that became great with her + the addition of a generational talent like Demon1 that truly changed the mindset of the team. 2024 lacked the individual greatness of the team, was a more budgeted version that always got limited by having less talented players (and Jawgemo alone can't carry a team)

My point is: i think shes overtated because sometimes people treat her like she's the main cause for EG success, but she's only one factor. That 2023 run was insane for a number of equally important reasons. But she's still great and will win another major trophy as soon as she has a better squad (if she even wants one)

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I mean yeah theres always someone who pops off specially because potter works a lot with potentializing otherwise hidden talents but im talking more on general terms. EG 2023 was an exception because most of them were very good shooters

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ProfessionalLurker

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And look at what happened to demon1 in nrg

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You will never have a coach who can mine talent our of raw talent players as good as Potter does.

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When has she done it besides with 2023 EG?

She also had Jawgemo c0m and Boostio long before that roster and they didn’t do shit until Demon1 joined

So was it really Potter?

This team was utter garbage before D1 joined. For YEARS

What was Potter doing then?

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Ethan himself literally admitted they were mid before demon1 aswell

Demon1s inclusion and individual talent helped the team and potter solve their issues and finally unlock their potential

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She is definitely better than Chet and Bonker combined.

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Bokar, sure, for now

But no way she is better than chet

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who

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overrated for sure, she isnt gonna be able to fix any roster you present to her but the is def one of the best coaches in valorant to ever coach.

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"She isn't gonna be able to fix any roster you present to her so she's overrated" If the standard of "the best coach in VCT" is to be able to help any premier win worlds then no one would ever be given that title for the rest of the history of Valorant.

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that wasnt the question, people hold her in the regard that if you give her the bottom tier 1 players then she could make them into a winning team.
because thats what it looked like she did in EG 2023 which means she is overrated.

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EG 2024 shouldnt be compared with EG 2023 but i get ur point there

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ok chet fanboy pissuna_yuuki

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Frooti

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Why do you think I am that guy

#MVGA

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Which rosters of hers were "failures"? Mind you Champ winnning coach Bzka went to MIBR and the team was still winless.
In Open Bracket 2022 Potter helped a 12th place EG place 5th place in stage 2.
"She won once" No shit Sherlock there have been like 3 coaches who won Champs. There's 1 Champ a year and 2021 was open bracket Lock-In how many times do you want her to win?
Chet also only "won once" while playing with Prime Optic Prime Yay and they were already good when the team were formed.

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Well my point is that she has only ever won once/come close to winning with one team

Over multiple other iterations of EG she wasn’t even close

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I think for potter the best thing is the scouting. There's a good video on how they scout their players

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She turned around the worst team in NA to win a world championship and then got placed with an even worse roster and still managed to get them big wins on teams like SEN

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How was it her who turned it around?

See what I don’t understand is why you give so much credit to her and not enough to Demon1

EG was literally the worst team before D1 joined

What was Potter doing then?

Multiple years with EG and nothing is down

Demon1 joins and saves the team and potter gets the credit

I really don’t understand

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you do realise potter was the one to scout demon1 an unknown ranked grinder that no one thought was good enough to be on t1, also demon1 was on the team when they got 13-0ed by loud so its not like the plugged him for bcj and started dominating, potter still took the worse team on na (with demon1) and turned them into grand finals winners

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Ok

Nice scouting

I just don’t understand why people think she is so insane as an actual coach. She has had mediocre results her whole career except for that one roster

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i get what your saying but your forgetting that "one roster" came second then first in internationals and everyone on that team was praised as the best in their role after champs due to their insane performances

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i think people forget about the 10 man roster thing
Potter is amazing because she understands how to strat and she was smart enough to use a great system for it, the 10man scrims
the problem is that her org went bankrupt
if she was allowed to continue her system trainning she would be a top dog