TL New Roster | VLR.gg

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Kr1stal - initiator/IGL
kamyk - flex
nAts - senti
kamo - duelist
Keiko - controller

thoughts?

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better than fnatic and navi!

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valid team

2 pl 2 ru 1 uk 5 good players

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Sounds like a Brazilian mf laughing

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kanyefan4238173

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kkkkkk

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what the mid

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NAVI since it's inception has been mid

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Well if you use your brain Kamyk was GrandFinals EMEA won Challengers, Kr1stal won CN Ascension and Ange1 won a ticket to Russia.

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top 6-7 in EMEA imo

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can your opinion be wrong next year? would make me feel a lot better

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i dont want kamo he is very mid

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this roster is better than you fuckers deserve tbfh

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every other roster we have had on paper is better than this one lol

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laifu

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last years roster was the most lazily built team they had, just copy and pasted the core of Apeks and expected success

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on paper it was a good team

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G2 copied and pasted 3 The Guard players. Copying and Pasting aren't the problem. Are Copying and Pasting FNS S0m and Ethan bad?
You don't know what's going on behind the scenes kid.

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cloudberry

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I get what you're saying but G2 literally IS The Guard and NRG is practically FNS and s0m at its core so these comparisons don't make any sense

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laifu

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Liquid went from Sayf, soulcas and Redgar to that lackluster core of ex-fnatic players

2/3 had success when they left liquid (Sayf and soulcas)

Also you are comparing 2 way different scenarios, G2 bought guard so they could be part of franchising

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you had fucking enzo mistic and j0mpii last year rodent

kamo is better than all 3

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LMFAO bro ur last roster was so shit

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ntro

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i said on paper

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cmon bro as a fellow liquid fan that take is delusional lol

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ntro

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how is this roster better on paper when we had ascension grand finalists last year and every year before that we have had world class talent?

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Ryukzerr

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lol what? the only good roster we had was in 2021 other rosters were fucking shit this years was a disgrace like disgustingly shit level

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ntro

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we've made 3 champions and 3 masters we have had good rosters especially in 2023 after lock in? i dont see this roster being better than last years ON PAPER. anything could happen though

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The only rosters i consider good are 2021 and 2023 the rest is bullshit. Literally liquid just being happy to be there.

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ntro

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2022 roster was better than 2021 roster???

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not rly 2022 was being carried by scream and jamppi not anything spectacular i remember beating prx and thats it, we had dreamas and dimasick in the roster lmfao

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2023s roster looked like a super team?
sayf + nats + jamppi is a crazy combo

redgar and soulcas also had crazy peaks that you could see in a toptier roster at the time

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ntro

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exactly lmao the 2023 team was insane on paper

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but they shit the bed besides the first split overall bad season.

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I mean they made top 6 and one of the 2 teams that beat fnatic that year

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ntro

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overall bad season when they won emea and reached both events that year? some teams dream of reaching an event let alone winning the league

continue thread →

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kanyefan4238173

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ascension grand finalists okay

sign avova then and drop kamo/keiko

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Mortadelo

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He is by far the best available realistic duelist

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ntro

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id much rather have mistic smokes and keiko duelist but yeah apart form xeus and izzy there isnt much here

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gamergirl

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who tf wants to watch bigstic waddle onto stage lmfao

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ntro

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i beg u make a thread without being mad

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gamergirl

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ngl i repent that one was mean af lol

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Mortadelo

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Kamo was much better than Keiko last year tho. I don't think you remember how good kamo was

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ntro

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??? where has all this glaze for kamo come from?? keiko had better stats in kickoff and stage 1 lol ur just randomly making things up

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Mortadelo

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kamo was statistically the best duelist in EMEA the one split his team was half competent
And is not a me thing, many teams want him, NAVI, M8 KOI, TL have all been interested

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ntro

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kamo was not statistically the best duelist in emea in stage 2?? cned had higher rating qutioner had higher rating sayf had higher rating derke had higher rating. koi reached their peak at the end of the stage when they had already completely flopped the earlier part of the year and still finished bottom of the emea league?

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Mortadelo

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Vlr rating works funky let's say, but he had comfortably the highest ACS and tied for the highest FKPR the 2 most important duelist metrics imo

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its bc hes not getting traded by his shit team

VLR rating heavily favors mfs that get trades and get traded

its why Leo is such a statistical darling, he plays far back and is consistently getting trades

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Vlr rating is better than acs morti be real. But yes kamo is good when he is on.

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Mortadelo

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I'm being real tho, vlr quite literally admitted it was flawed when they released 2.0 and that hasn't been around for too long. Ik of a few coaches that always go off of ACS

But don't get me wrong I'm a fan of rating, I think it's good, but all those stats are flawed

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Bog

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Sorry but, Keiko >>> Kamo duelist

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Mortadelo

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Teams don't seem to agree, kamo is extremely sought after this off season

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IDK where the Kamo glaze is coming from after one good split of 4 games, 2 of them against genuine bottomfeeders. He was literally the second worst duelist in split 1.

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Mortadelo

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Is not glaze, regardless of what I think of him, he is genuinely the preferred option for most of the teams that are still looking for a duelist (TL KOI and M8) but maybe NAVI that has also seriously considered him. And that is for a reason

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i like it ngl, thought it was gonna be worse

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GambleNats

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I love the kr1stal pick up, and not lets make nats an igl take

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mxchelxz

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yeah and he fills the init role that we need, good frag igl + nAts 2nd calling

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GambleNats

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I hope we make an international next season at very least ^^

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mxchelxz

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its hard, emea is really stacked, but the talent is there

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Is it actually confirmed they signed kristal or is it just copium?

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Mortadelo

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just a try

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gold2peak

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Why are mfs talking like they just signed a 10 year contract with him

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Mortadelo

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Because they need him so they are the KKKK and not just the KKK

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GambleNats

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trials for now, but he is a likely candidate

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BLuko

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Interesting. Not sure how good keiko is on controller since he played mainly duelist his entire career.

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The plan has been for him to switch from the beginning of the off season, is not that he has been forced there or something. I suppose that makes me think he's comfortable

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Not1

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How much chance of tl kr1stal?

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Mortadelo

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It's just a tryout as of now so not much objectively. But I get the feeling they will like him and there aren't many better options on that position idk if that makes it any better

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Not1

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They are trying him out?

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Mortadelo

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yes

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BLuko

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that makes sense

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Bog

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Kamo is the only mistake

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GambleNats

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is this good? not really
is this better than last year? yes
is this gonna win anything? no
is this the best they could do with the currently available talent? eh probably

is liquid gonna make a deep run?
i hope the fuck so

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iplayval

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Liquid fans are the realest out there. No delusions. Never surprised. Never disappointed just pure hope that the team does something good

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ntro

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liquid and c9 are similar in that way

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Ryukzerr

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real recognizes real

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Will they force kamyk to shower tho?

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This is so shit

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Not bad but I feel like you sacrificed skill for the sake of the players names starting with k

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Mortadelo

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someone get nats off the team for the sake of the k's

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Would prefer a better player on smokes and keeping Keiko on Duelist for kamyk to hard bait