Kr1stal - initiator/IGL
kamyk - flex
nAts - senti
kamo - duelist
Keiko - controller
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gamergirl [#8]this roster is better than you fuckers deserve tbfh
every other roster we have had on paper is better than this one lol
Mortadelo [#10]He is by far the best available realistic duelist
id much rather have mistic smokes and keiko duelist but yeah apart form xeus and izzy there isnt much here
ntro [#13]id much rather have mistic smokes and keiko duelist but yeah apart form xeus and izzy there isnt much here
who tf wants to watch bigstic waddle onto stage lmfao
ntro [#13]id much rather have mistic smokes and keiko duelist but yeah apart form xeus and izzy there isnt much here
Kamo was much better than Keiko last year tho. I don't think you remember how good kamo was
gamergirl [#15]who tf wants to watch bigstic waddle onto stage lmfao
i beg u make a thread without being mad
BLuko [#17]Interesting. Not sure how good keiko is on controller since he played mainly duelist his entire career.
The plan has been for him to switch from the beginning of the off season, is not that he has been forced there or something. I suppose that makes me think he's comfortable
Mortadelo [#19]The plan has been for him to switch from the beginning of the off season, is not that he has been forced there or something. I suppose that makes me think he's comfortable
How much chance of tl kr1stal?
Mortadelo [#16]Kamo was much better than Keiko last year tho. I don't think you remember how good kamo was
??? where has all this glaze for kamo come from?? keiko had better stats in kickoff and stage 1 lol ur just randomly making things up
Not1 [#21]How much chance of tl kr1stal?
It's just a tryout as of now so not much objectively. But I get the feeling they will like him and there aren't many better options on that position idk if that makes it any better
Mortadelo [#19]The plan has been for him to switch from the beginning of the off season, is not that he has been forced there or something. I suppose that makes me think he's comfortable
that makes sense
Mortadelo [#23]It's just a tryout as of now so not much objectively. But I get the feeling they will like him and there aren't many better options on that position idk if that makes it any better
They are trying him out?
ntro [#22]??? where has all this glaze for kamo come from?? keiko had better stats in kickoff and stage 1 lol ur just randomly making things up
kamo was statistically the best duelist in EMEA the one split his team was half competent
And is not a me thing, many teams want him, NAVI, M8 KOI, TL have all been interested
ntro [#9]every other roster we have had on paper is better than this one lol
LMFAO bro ur last roster was so shit
Mortadelo [#27]kamo was statistically the best duelist in EMEA the one split his team was half competent
And is not a me thing, many teams want him, NAVI, M8 KOI, TL have all been interested
kamo was not statistically the best duelist in emea in stage 2?? cned had higher rating qutioner had higher rating sayf had higher rating derke had higher rating. koi reached their peak at the end of the stage when they had already completely flopped the earlier part of the year and still finished bottom of the emea league?
Ryukzerr [#32]cmon bro as a fellow liquid fan that take is delusional lol
how is this roster better on paper when we had ascension grand finalists last year and every year before that we have had world class talent?
Mortadelo [#16]Kamo was much better than Keiko last year tho. I don't think you remember how good kamo was
Sorry but, Keiko >>> Kamo duelist
ntro [#30]kamo was not statistically the best duelist in emea in stage 2?? cned had higher rating qutioner had higher rating sayf had higher rating derke had higher rating. koi reached their peak at the end of the stage when they had already completely flopped the earlier part of the year and still finished bottom of the emea league?
Vlr rating works funky let's say, but he had comfortably the highest ACS and tied for the highest FKPR the 2 most important duelist metrics imo
ntro [#34]how is this roster better on paper when we had ascension grand finalists last year and every year before that we have had world class talent?
lol what? the only good roster we had was in 2021 other rosters were fucking shit this years was a disgrace like disgustingly shit level
Ryukzerr [#37]lol what? the only good roster we had was in 2021 other rosters were fucking shit this years was a disgrace like disgustingly shit level
we've made 3 champions and 3 masters we have had good rosters especially in 2023 after lock in? i dont see this roster being better than last years ON PAPER. anything could happen though
Mortadelo [#36]Vlr rating works funky let's say, but he had comfortably the highest ACS and tied for the highest FKPR the 2 most important duelist metrics imo
its bc hes not getting traded by his shit team
VLR rating heavily favors mfs that get trades and get traded
its why Leo is such a statistical darling, he plays far back and is consistently getting trades
mxchelxz [#14]i like it ngl, thought it was gonna be worse
I love the kr1stal pick up, and not lets make nats an igl take
Mortadelo [#36]Vlr rating works funky let's say, but he had comfortably the highest ACS and tied for the highest FKPR the 2 most important duelist metrics imo
Vlr rating is better than acs morti be real. But yes kamo is good when he is on.
ntro [#34]how is this roster better on paper when we had ascension grand finalists last year and every year before that we have had world class talent?
ascension grand finalists okay
sign avova then and drop kamo/keiko
GambleNats [#43]I love the kr1stal pick up, and not lets make nats an igl take
yeah and he fills the init role that we need, good frag igl + nAts 2nd calling
Congo1 [#45]Vlr rating is better than acs morti be real. But yes kamo is good when he is on.
I'm being real tho, vlr quite literally admitted it was flawed when they released 2.0 and that hasn't been around for too long. Ik of a few coaches that always go off of ACS
But don't get me wrong I'm a fan of rating, I think it's good, but all those stats are flawed
Ryukzerr [#37]lol what? the only good roster we had was in 2021 other rosters were fucking shit this years was a disgrace like disgustingly shit level
2023s roster looked like a super team?
sayf + nats + jamppi is a crazy combo
redgar and soulcas also had crazy peaks that you could see in a toptier roster at the time
mxchelxz [#47]yeah and he fills the init role that we need, good frag igl + nAts 2nd calling
I hope we make an international next season at very least ^^
ntro [#39]we've made 3 champions and 3 masters we have had good rosters especially in 2023 after lock in? i dont see this roster being better than last years ON PAPER. anything could happen though
The only rosters i consider good are 2021 and 2023 the rest is bullshit. Literally liquid just being happy to be there.
Ryukzerr [#51]The only rosters i consider good are 2021 and 2023 the rest is bullshit. Literally liquid just being happy to be there.
2022 roster was better than 2021 roster???
GambleNats [#49]2023s roster looked like a super team?
sayf + nats + jamppi is a crazy comboredgar and soulcas also had crazy peaks that you could see in a toptier roster at the time
exactly lmao the 2023 team was insane on paper
ntro [#52]2022 roster was better than 2021 roster???
not rly 2022 was being carried by scream and jamppi not anything spectacular i remember beating prx and thats it, we had dreamas and dimasick in the roster lmfao
ntro [#53]exactly lmao the 2023 team was insane on paper
but they shit the bed besides the first split overall bad season.
Mortadelo [#16]Kamo was much better than Keiko last year tho. I don't think you remember how good kamo was
IDK where the Kamo glaze is coming from after one good split of 4 games, 2 of them against genuine bottomfeeders. He was literally the second worst duelist in split 1.
Ryukzerr [#55]but they shit the bed besides the first split overall bad season.
I mean they made top 6 and one of the 2 teams that beat fnatic that year
GambleNats [#43]I love the kr1stal pick up, and not lets make nats an igl take
Is it actually confirmed they signed kristal or is it just copium?
Yuniee44 [#56]IDK where the Kamo glaze is coming from after one good split of 4 games, 2 of them against genuine bottomfeeders. He was literally the second worst duelist in split 1.
Is not glaze, regardless of what I think of him, he is genuinely the preferred option for most of the teams that are still looking for a duelist (TL KOI and M8) but maybe NAVI that has also seriously considered him. And that is for a reason
gold2peak [#58]Is it actually confirmed they signed kristal or is it just copium?
trials for now, but he is a likely candidate
Ryukzerr [#55]but they shit the bed besides the first split overall bad season.
overall bad season when they won emea and reached both events that year? some teams dream of reaching an event let alone winning the league
GambleNats [#50]I hope we make an international next season at very least ^^
its hard, emea is really stacked, but the talent is there
gold2peak [#62]Why are mfs talking like they just signed a 10 year contract with him
Because they need him so they are the KKKK and not just the KKK
laifu [#11]last years roster was the most lazily built team they had, just copy and pasted the core of Apeks and expected success
on paper it was a good team
GambleNats [#40]is this good? not really
is this better than last year? yes
is this gonna win anything? no
is this the best they could do with the currently available talent? eh probablyis liquid gonna make a deep run?
i hope the fuck so
Liquid fans are the realest out there. No delusions. Never surprised. Never disappointed just pure hope that the team does something good
ntro [#63]overall bad season when they won emea and reached both events that year? some teams dream of reaching an event let alone winning the league
you know a team like Liquid wants to win trophies if they havent won a trophy that year its considered a fail.
iplayval [#68]Liquid fans are the realest out there. No delusions. Never surprised. Never disappointed just pure hope that the team does something good
liquid and c9 are similar in that way
iplayval [#68]Liquid fans are the realest out there. No delusions. Never surprised. Never disappointed just pure hope that the team does something good
real recognizes real
laifu [#11]last years roster was the most lazily built team they had, just copy and pasted the core of Apeks and expected success
G2 copied and pasted 3 The Guard players. Copying and Pasting aren't the problem. Are Copying and Pasting FNS S0m and Ethan bad?
You don't know what's going on behind the scenes kid.
chrlxz [#5]what the mid
Well if you use your brain Kamyk was GrandFinals EMEA won Challengers, Kr1stal won CN Ascension and Ange1 won a ticket to Russia.
Tadpole3 [#73]G2 copied and pasted 3 The Guard players. Copying and Pasting aren't the problem. Are Copying and Pasting FNS S0m and Ethan bad?
You don't know what's going on behind the scenes kid.
I get what you're saying but G2 literally IS The Guard and NRG is practically FNS and s0m at its core so these comparisons don't make any sense
Tadpole3 [#73]G2 copied and pasted 3 The Guard players. Copying and Pasting aren't the problem. Are Copying and Pasting FNS S0m and Ethan bad?
You don't know what's going on behind the scenes kid.
Liquid went from Sayf, soulcas and Redgar to that lackluster core of ex-fnatic players
2/3 had success when they left liquid (Sayf and soulcas)
Also you are comparing 2 way different scenarios, G2 bought guard so they could be part of franchising
Blue_Iced_Tea [#77]Not bad but I feel like you sacrificed skill for the sake of the players names starting with k
someone get nats off the team for the sake of the k's
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