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Best init of all time?

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#1
Uncleben

Leo, sacy, or chronicle?
Personally I have Leo

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jawn
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it's leo purely because he has hit the highest peak, we haven't had a really consistent great ini

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Uncleben
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Tbf leo is very very consistent, especially in 2023, and he’s been amazing in 2024 individually as well

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jawn
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yeah but he was non existent the first two years, and the other ini players from that era are kinda washed now

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Uncleben
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He was actually amazing in 2022, if u watched vct Emea, his team was just mid, and he played amazing in Copenhagen

He played well in 2021 as well, that’s when people first heard of him, when he dominated in lcq 2021

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jawn
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he was, but not top of the ladder like we have had players in other roles, mako, aspas and less have been insane for 3 years now

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Uncleben
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Less’s claim to goat sentinel isn’t stronger than Leo’s considering he made one lan this year = (Leo’s performance in 2022), and Leo arguably played better than him in 2021

Mako and Aspas I agree with, but I think Leo is definitively the goat init

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jawn
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mako, aspas, less and leo are defo the goats of their roles

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Yuh_aye
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only Aspas and Less are undisputed GOAT of their role, you can't pretend it's someone else.

Pancada, Marved, Karon and Mako are competing for the controller throne.

as are Sacy, C0m and Leo for the Initiator throne.

#57
tomato211222
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Sacy made 2 events 21, all enevts 22 , 2 events 24 only 1 mid season so idk what y'all on sacy is the 🐐🐐

#58
jawn
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Pancada, Marved, Karon and Mako are competing for the controller throne.

wrong

#29
sentinelmain377
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non-existent???

bro didnt even watch Valorant

stfu dumass LMAO

#31
jawn
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he didn't do shit internationally, shao cleared him in his own region too

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Raevus
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Leo didn't have Suygetsu, or peak Ardis to support him either.
Bro had Bonkar and yacine.

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Yuh_aye
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damn didn't know Leo only played with Bonkar and Yacine and there was nobody else on the roster

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Raevus
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I mean, if you include old guild, then nah. The last roster, sure they had Trexx. that's where Leo started to shine as a star player.
Sayf and Trexx were the only player who could shoot on that team after yacines drop in performance.
However if you go back and rewatch their games, yacine would play worse than ange1, and ange1 was a walking ult orb for a solid few months.
Like bro would entry, get 0 entries and then Leo would have to entry after him because sayf was a chamber merchant.

Shao atleast had a consistent duelist who'd perform well. He had a awful smoker/igl who'd die in the first 30seconds. However atleast the other 3 would all play well, and support pushes.

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jawn
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i mean if we use that excuse for everyone then tenz is the goat

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Raevus
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Not really. Every roster Tenz has been on post c9, has had at least one star player.

Going by year, 21,22,23,etc
first sen team - Sick, Dapr - dapr is a bit iffy out of the two, but bro would hold it down on in 2021

second roster - Zellsis at this time was the star player of v1, and was on a heater. He just fell off hard compared to what he was in 2022.

third roster - Zekken, Sacy, Pancada This roster was great on paper, but just ended up being so ass.

The past 3 years, he's had at least one player other than himself, that had that factor about him

when we go by each year of rosters with Leo, Sayf is the only constant star player he had until Trexx. Yacine was a demon in 2021, but pro fell off harder than anyone i've seen. Dude went one week from dropping insane numbers, to being the worst player I've seen entry on Raze.

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jawn
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Not really. Every roster Tenz has been on post c9, has had at least one star player.

when we go by each year of rosters with Leo, Sayf is the only constant star player he had until Trexx.

good talk

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catNmouse
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lakia of valorant

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Hynix
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boaster: 9 kills and flamed
lakia: 9 kills but glazed for "good util"

#49
notnorte
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lakia played like that for ~3 series total this year

if you replace lakia with boaster on geng then they lose to DRG at shanghai

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Jsan
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lakia drops 9 and wins, boaster drops 9 and loses thats the difference, i dont agree boaster should be replaced, fnc is literally the team it is because of him but im just saying that that is the difference

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catNmouse
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lakia dropped 9 and lost but i get what you are saying

#4
geometrix
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Im gonna have to say OpenRC is the best linux init of all time. Dinit close second

#10
number2_cNed_fan
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ShahZ

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dort
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Crashies

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SquareMars
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fuck off

#14
Uncleben
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No chance sadly, his performances in 2023 and 2024 are too lackluster

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SquareMars
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2023 looked like an off year, 2024 was a train wreck

#16
Uncleben
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He started 2023 very strong but struggled during and after Tokyo
2024 his team was horrible and he struggled
He still a good player, but clearly not the goat

#17
azureblade101
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sacy

#18
Uncleben
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Why so? Please don’t bring up trophies considering that trophies don’t equal individual skill and chronicle has more trophies

#23
azureblade101
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been in the game longer, leo is the greatest initiator of right now, but he hasnt attended any lans in 2021, only 1 in 2022, he just found success last year internationally so theres still at least another year till he can be considered the best initiator of ALL TIME

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Uncleben
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Sacy attended no lans in 2023 tho

#26
CookieMania
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Kick-Off 2023 where FNC won their 1st international trophy isn’t a LAN?

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Uncleben
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They got first rounded in a lan they were guaranteed invitation too…

#30
CookieMania
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To Fnatic, who won the entire thing.

#19
icxtontop
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Reins

#44
OneTapDesign
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of all time? no.. WAAY too early to say that, but he has insane potential for sure.

#20
Hades_Loves_Rb
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Rb exists

#33
SquareMars
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im legit just gonna leave this here

https://www.vlr.gg/player/matches/488/rb

#35
PP12123213123
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CN in upper final : 1 team
NA in upper final : 0 team

#36
SquareMars
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when was this about NA lol?

fuck NA

#50
PooFaceCe
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CN trophies : 0

NA trophies : 3 majors and 1 champs

#21
TheAqif
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leo 100%

#22
destroylonely
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verno

#25
Shizzle
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when ur looking at initiator ur not looking at kills, but more on assists and util usage for their team. Only recognizable initiators for this title are Leo and Sacy

#27
ala
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ethan the greatest kayo skye ever no cap

#32
Punni
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Mazino is goat since 2021

#34
Mortadelo
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Boaster on Sova

#37
Veri
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Leo definetely. Sacy close 2nd (could become 1st if he wins champs). Peak EG Ethan was a fucking monster on some of his util timings so he's 3rd to me.

#38
kalayav_n
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are you guys idiots, how is sacy not #1

#39
kapteN
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sacy is not #1 because leo exists

#40
kalayav_n
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the hazard of valorant

#41
SquareMars
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why is leo greater than Sacy?

#43
Gutwi
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because you can call leo one of the best itw along with aspas, but you cannot call sacy one of the best itw

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SquareMars
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give me something related to their impact on the game and not "Titles"

Not because you can call Leo one thing and not sacy

#45
C0nfedant
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Jessievash

#47
Azzelastia
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Fraudnicle?
How many champs does he have?

#48
BuZzfan1
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cauanzin!?

#52
JMZxp
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Leo

Goat

#53
spicytuna
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Leo
Sacy and Ethan
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Shahz

#55
PuGGey
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C0M? hello?

#62
Hyssopus1
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The best initiator ever is C0M and he will prove it this weekend.

#63
Nheyah
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com if lev win. people love to shit on him but they dont really understand just how much he provides for his team. EG used him fkn perfectly last year, and lev is using him perfectly this year. Otherwise leo for now. dude really isnt matched yet.

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