Leo, sacy, or chronicle?
Personally I have Leo
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Best init of all time?
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Uncleben [#5]Tbf leo is very very consistent, especially in 2023, and he’s been amazing in 2024 individually as well
yeah but he was non existent the first two years, and the other ini players from that era are kinda washed now
jawn [#6]yeah but he was non existent the first two years, and the other ini players from that era are kinda washed now
He was actually amazing in 2022, if u watched vct Emea, his team was just mid, and he played amazing in Copenhagen
He played well in 2021 as well, that’s when people first heard of him, when he dominated in lcq 2021
Uncleben [#7]He was actually amazing in 2022, if u watched vct Emea, his team was just mid, and he played amazing in Copenhagen
He played well in 2021 as well, that’s when people first heard of him, when he dominated in lcq 2021
he was, but not top of the ladder like we have had players in other roles, mako, aspas and less have been insane for 3 years now
jawn [#8]he was, but not top of the ladder like we have had players in other roles, mako, aspas and less have been insane for 3 years now
Less’s claim to goat sentinel isn’t stronger than Leo’s considering he made one lan this year = (Leo’s performance in 2022), and Leo arguably played better than him in 2021
Mako and Aspas I agree with, but I think Leo is definitively the goat init
Uncleben [#9]Less’s claim to goat sentinel isn’t stronger than Leo’s considering he made one lan this year = (Leo’s performance in 2022), and Leo arguably played better than him in 2021
Mako and Aspas I agree with, but I think Leo is definitively the goat init
mako, aspas, less and leo are defo the goats of their roles
Uncleben [#14]No chance sadly, his performances in 2023 and 2024 are too lackluster
2023 looked like an off year, 2024 was a train wreck
SquareMars [#15]2023 looked like an off year, 2024 was a train wreck
He started 2023 very strong but struggled during and after Tokyo
2024 his team was horrible and he struggled
He still a good player, but clearly not the goat
azureblade101 [#17]sacy
Why so? Please don’t bring up trophies considering that trophies don’t equal individual skill and chronicle has more trophies
Uncleben [#18]Why so? Please don’t bring up trophies considering that trophies don’t equal individual skill and chronicle has more trophies
been in the game longer, leo is the greatest initiator of right now, but he hasnt attended any lans in 2021, only 1 in 2022, he just found success last year internationally so theres still at least another year till he can be considered the best initiator of ALL TIME
azureblade101 [#23]been in the game longer, leo is the greatest initiator of right now, but he hasnt attended any lans in 2021, only 1 in 2022, he just found success last year internationally so theres still at least another year till he can be considered the best initiator of ALL TIME
Sacy attended no lans in 2023 tho
Uncleben [#24]Sacy attended no lans in 2023 tho
Kick-Off 2023 where FNC won their 1st international trophy isn’t a LAN?
CookieMania [#26]Kick-Off 2023 where FNC won their 1st international trophy isn’t a LAN?
They got first rounded in a lan they were guaranteed invitation too…
jawn [#6]yeah but he was non existent the first two years, and the other ini players from that era are kinda washed now
non-existent???
bro didnt even watch Valorant
stfu dumass LMAO
Uncleben [#28]They got first rounded in a lan they were guaranteed invitation too…
To Fnatic, who won the entire thing.
sentinelmain377 [#29]non-existent???
bro didnt even watch Valorant
stfu dumass LMAO
he didn't do shit internationally, shao cleared him in his own region too
SquareMars [#33]im legit just gonna leave this here
CN in upper final : 1 team
NA in upper final : 0 team
PP12123213123 [#35]CN in upper final : 1 team
NA in upper final : 0 team
when was this about NA lol?
fuck NA
catNmouse [#3]lakia of valorant
boaster: 9 kills and flamed
lakia: 9 kills but glazed for "good util"
SquareMars [#41]why is leo greater than Sacy?
because you can call leo one of the best itw along with aspas, but you cannot call sacy one of the best itw
icxtontop [#19]Reins
of all time? no.. WAAY too early to say that, but he has insane potential for sure.
2 clips to answer your question
https://youtu.be/P7_yBoNZ6M0?si=_8CRSy42yMW7dAqR&t=176
https://youtu.be/AUJe0V4r3Fo?si=1maDKItpuULvaLGi&t=2033
Hynix [#42]boaster: 9 kills and flamed
lakia: 9 kills but glazed for "good util"
lakia played like that for ~3 series total this year
if you replace lakia with boaster on geng then they lose to DRG at shanghai
PP12123213123 [#35]CN in upper final : 1 team
NA in upper final : 0 team
CN trophies : 0
NA trophies : 3 majors and 1 champs
jawn [#31]he didn't do shit internationally, shao cleared him in his own region too
Leo didn't have Suygetsu, or peak Ardis to support him either.
Bro had Bonkar and yacine.
jawn [#11]mako, aspas, less and leo are defo the goats of their roles
only Aspas and Less are undisputed GOAT of their role, you can't pretend it's someone else.
Pancada, Marved, Karon and Mako are competing for the controller throne.
as are Sacy, C0m and Leo for the Initiator throne.
Raevus [#51]Leo didn't have Suygetsu, or peak Ardis to support him either.
Bro had Bonkar and yacine.
damn didn't know Leo only played with Bonkar and Yacine and there was nobody else on the roster
Yuh_aye [#54]only Aspas and Less are undisputed GOAT of their role, you can't pretend it's someone else.
Pancada, Marved, Karon and Mako are competing for the controller throne.
as are Sacy, C0m and Leo for the Initiator throne.
Sacy made 2 events 21, all enevts 22 , 2 events 24 only 1 mid season so idk what y'all on sacy is the 🐐🐐
Yuh_aye [#54]only Aspas and Less are undisputed GOAT of their role, you can't pretend it's someone else.
Pancada, Marved, Karon and Mako are competing for the controller throne.
as are Sacy, C0m and Leo for the Initiator throne.
Pancada, Marved, Karon and Mako are competing for the controller throne.
wrong
Raevus [#51]Leo didn't have Suygetsu, or peak Ardis to support him either.
Bro had Bonkar and yacine.
i mean if we use that excuse for everyone then tenz is the goat
Hynix [#42]boaster: 9 kills and flamed
lakia: 9 kills but glazed for "good util"
lakia drops 9 and wins, boaster drops 9 and loses thats the difference, i dont agree boaster should be replaced, fnc is literally the team it is because of him but im just saying that that is the difference
Yuh_aye [#56]damn didn't know Leo only played with Bonkar and Yacine and there was nobody else on the roster
I mean, if you include old guild, then nah. The last roster, sure they had Trexx. that's where Leo started to shine as a star player.
Sayf and Trexx were the only player who could shoot on that team after yacines drop in performance.
However if you go back and rewatch their games, yacine would play worse than ange1, and ange1 was a walking ult orb for a solid few months.
Like bro would entry, get 0 entries and then Leo would have to entry after him because sayf was a chamber merchant.
Shao atleast had a consistent duelist who'd perform well. He had a awful smoker/igl who'd die in the first 30seconds. However atleast the other 3 would all play well, and support pushes.
jawn [#59]i mean if we use that excuse for everyone then tenz is the goat
Not really. Every roster Tenz has been on post c9, has had at least one star player.
Going by year, 21,22,23,etc
first sen team - Sick, Dapr - dapr is a bit iffy out of the two, but bro would hold it down on in 2021
second roster - Zellsis at this time was the star player of v1, and was on a heater. He just fell off hard compared to what he was in 2022.
third roster - Zekken, Sacy, Pancada This roster was great on paper, but just ended up being so ass.
The past 3 years, he's had at least one player other than himself, that had that factor about him
when we go by each year of rosters with Leo, Sayf is the only constant star player he had until Trexx. Yacine was a demon in 2021, but pro fell off harder than anyone i've seen. Dude went one week from dropping insane numbers, to being the worst player I've seen entry on Raze.
Raevus [#64]Not really. Every roster Tenz has been on post c9, has had at least one star player.
Going by year, 21,22,23,etc
first sen team - Sick, Dapr - dapr is a bit iffy out of the two, but bro would hold it down on in 2021second roster - Zellsis at this time was the star player of v1, and was on a heater. He just fell off hard compared to what he was in 2022.
third roster - Zekken, Sacy, Pancada This roster was great on paper, but just ended up being so ass.
The past 3 years, he's had at least one player other than himself, that had that factor about him
when we go by each year of rosters with Leo, Sayf is the only constant star player he had until Trexx. Yacine was a demon in 2021, but pro fell off harder than anyone i've seen. Dude went one week from dropping insane numbers, to being the worst player I've seen entry on Raze.
Not really. Every roster Tenz has been on post c9, has had at least one star player.
when we go by each year of rosters with Leo, Sayf is the only constant star player he had until Trexx.
good talk
Gutwi [#43]because you can call leo one of the best itw along with aspas, but you cannot call sacy one of the best itw
give me something related to their impact on the game and not "Titles"
Not because you can call Leo one thing and not sacy
Jsan [#60]lakia drops 9 and wins, boaster drops 9 and loses thats the difference, i dont agree boaster should be replaced, fnc is literally the team it is because of him but im just saying that that is the difference
lakia dropped 9 and lost but i get what you are saying
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