Flexibility is so overrated.

It's mind blowing to me

In a world where aspas has been dominating for 3 years straight, there are still some people who call f0rsakeN the goat

In a world where RB was basically consistently bottom 2 (considering the IGL as well) in stats for his team every single event, he was one of the most appreciated players

How is this possible? Anybody can play every agent if they don't need to be good at it.

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Actually quite the opposite. Notice how basically every team who won a major had very structured roles? I rest my case.

Stop overrating flexibility merchants (f0rsakeN is still a top 10 player oat probably)

Edit to clarify: I'm not talking about aspas/chronicle/MaKo's level of flexibility, I'm talking about playing 7+ agents flexibility.

I think being able to play 3/4 agents + maybe learn a new one if the team needs it is straight up underrated

demon1 raze

main duelist cant main duelist

y0y

4/10 yap

being able to play any role at such a high level and get value all the time is pretty good imo, not everyone can do it

flair

stopped reading when I saw fnatic flair

"Notice how basically every team who won a major had very structured roles"

eg had 4 different players on smokes at different points in the champs grand final

y0y/y8y

TenZ can do it all, he can be a worldclass Jett, a world class Raze, a world class omen, a world class breach, a world class kayo, and a world class gecko.

He can do it all.

#SENCITY

mad cuz chr0nicle two tricks breach and viper and yet jason is better at both without even trying? while also igling and playing 20+ different agent?

f0rsaken clears no doubt, best flex player itw and its not close.

ask this question to semen1 and y0y

being flexible is not a big deal

ur literally saying that demonass jett 1 trick and y1y chamber 1 trick a good player?
all aim no brain i'd say

a great team need a good structures, a good structures need a great players

Tell me you're iron without telling me you're iron....

Funny how you mention Aspas because he’s been able to maintain his consistency because he was at a high level on Jett Raze and Chamber while most of the other superstars fell off for only being able to play 1 properly

allat

you guys are forgetting that forsakken use to be the main duelist role

people js be talking for the sake of talking

please take your silver takes out of here

We're in a year where there seems to be no structured meta at all. On different maps, we could have a double duelist comp, a double initiator comp, a double smokes comp or even a fucking double sentinel comp. At that point, it isn't really possible to have a structured role for everything- everyone has to be at least a bit flexible, and in this kind of scenario, someone like f0rsakeN, who can play basically any agent at a pro level, is very high valued.

The value of flexibility changes depending on the team you are on, it is important to either be able to be able to play your role entirely(ex - aspas who never has to be flexible cause he can ply raze and jett) or learn multiple agents from different roles

Some teams have concrete roles while others require liquid roles, imo having players that can learn new agents fast like f0rsaken or TenZ can never be bad, it allows you to experiment and helps set certain players up for success

No other flex player is close to Forsaken in terms of agent pool or the way he plays all of those agent at highest level.
Aspas is Goat no doubt.
but if i had to make argument i would call Forsaken Goat because thats the only way Prx can try their comps. if Forsaken cant flex like he does. no way Prx would be this good.
Their comps need someone to adjust roles and its Forsaken. Also he is IGL now.
Playing all agents in the game as per requirement, putting up numbers while being Main caller of the team. I think its fair to call him GOAT.
A game where meta changes with updates and patches map reworkds and all. Forsaken might be most valuable player for any team.

Also if I ever have to talk about flex players i wont give forsaken as example since he is realms above all other flex in every region. so remove forsaken name from post when you are putting RB and other flex in that.

I actually agree wholeheartedly, but I do think f0rsaken is a real exception. Him being so good on practically any agent lets their team experiment with so much because if they need to fill any hole in their composition or playstyle they just have f0rsaken fill in a role. Him being so flexible allows his team in turn to also be insanely flexible, but he's really the only one in the scene who can do so. Every other flex is only really considered a flex because their roles are map dependent

flexibility is good because you can change stuff up and don't have to run the same thing over and over. take prx for example. their previous comp on lotus had cypher instead of breach. but because f0rsaken is a really good flex, he switched from sentinel to initiator and prx lotus has been insane since the change. or take tenz for example. not a conventional flex because he mainly plays omen, but he got off of yoru on bind to play gekko, and their bind has been better since. or victor for example. nrg been pretty mid recently, but in 2023, his ability to play both neon and raze in addition to kayo or killjoy helped nrg out a lot, given that ardiis could only play jett. additionally, having flexibility allows you to take other teams off guard with off-meta comps. also, I do want to point out: optic had victor, fnc had chronicle, so major winners do have flex players.

0 trophy region

iron take

Sen and EG did not have set roles and they’ve won the most recent trophies

most teams have a sentinel, controller, duelist and flex. the flex is considered the hardest role since most people are unsuccessful on flex therefore even if you're putting up average numbers on flex relative to all the other roles, you're considered a great player since others can't do the same. as for general player flexibility on a team, I think 2023 EG is a great example of how important it is since all their players (except maybe boostio who was consistently sentinel) were flexing between different roles and were still playing comfort agents that they were great at

also just look at what NRG was doing this season, demon1 can pretty much only play jett/brim great and it hurt the team

in conclusion: you yapped

this is why PRX have been doing well since 2022 where all the dominating teams have fallen off significantly (optic loud fnc) this allows them to keep up with metas these set roles only work for 2 tournaments lololol yapperrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

who is saying forsaken is the goat that one got me 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

ur argument that f0rsaken isn’t the GOAT is absolute facts

your whole spiel about flexibility being overrated is just absolutely absurd. using the mediocre statistics of the traditionally best flexes doesn’t account for all the reasons why having a good flex player boosts a team in so many ways other than the KD count

1. Allows for originality in compositions and map pools that elevates your team’s ability to remain competitive across metas
2. Allows the rest of your team to play roles they are comfortable on so that they can keep putting up good statistical numbers
3. Being able to flex across roles shows a deep macro understanding of the game that extends beyond your portion of the map or execute that is usually reserved only for IGLs

All in all the argument that flexibility is overrated is silly

silver

Yapping about the pros while being silver is crazy, vlr people just yap without knowing the game it's so funny.

flexibilty allows your teammates to play on there best play styles on there best roles it cannot be overrated imo making your entire team instantly better via your agent pool can never be a bad thing and having a player who can perform in any meta on any agent cannot be overrated
forsaken and prx in general proved that look at there placements across YEARS look at there placements 2nd-4th place avg is INSANE
look at how many teams have fallen off optic fpx loud to a certain degree and there still placing saying a player is overrated because they can play EVERY ROLE IN THE GAME on any agent is crazy
i do agree that teams who win have mostly stable roles but you need a good flex to win and good flex cannot be a bad thing because riot loves to make random changes before major tourneys

Less people have mentioned this benefit of flexibility, but it allows a team to have so many more options during a roster re-build.
There could be great players available to be picked up, but the team already has a player for that role.

I think the benefit to f0rsaken being able to play any agent has to do with his team. PRX tries weird stuff, and having a player who can play literally anything is incredibly useful.

I will add that I think the argument about it is completely pointless as I can't think of another player besides RB and f0rsaken that has this kind of flexibility.

all of this depends on the team, no?

if you're looking at most of the emea and america teams, Flexibility isn't a big deal because every player is trained for their own roles whatsoever. Take fnatic for example, where every player has their own respective roles that they play every single game and master.

But if youre looking at most of the apac and cn scenes, flexibility does matter, a lot even. Valued highly by the teams because the way teams play is not locked by roles and/or classes. they play whatever suits. Also, the teams on this region liked to switch meta and comps often so.

Saying flexibility of agents doesn't matter is not a wrong statement, it's just doesn't apply to every team and everybody.

the only flex player playing 7+ agent in every week of their games is f0rsaken