idk why i have to make this thread, but i have seen uncountable amounts of people asking "why use they/them if you're only 1 person?" or related "they is plural" comments in regards to nb people.
They can be plural, but its also singular.
take this sentence:
"someone dropped their wallet here. I should return it to them. They will want this back."
idc what pronouns you use in game. Most of the time people are referring to the player, not the agent. If someone called Astra 'he's on B'. nobody would care. and even then i don't mind if people get Clove's pronouns wrong as long as it's not intentional. They're probably the first nb person in a lot of these people's 'lives' so it takes practice to learn these things.
saying they are on A site or shes on A site or hes on A site is just bad comms lmao
when youre giving out a comm like this you should always specify the agent or the number of people
theres 2 on A site... (raze and fade)
or
Astras on A site
anytime someones uses pronouns in a round is just bad comms, always specific the agent
When I was kid
I learn they/them is about
I talk with one people to and pointing to another more than 1 people (which one group)
Ex :
"hey maria they said u pregnant"
"Who r they ??"
"Kimi and Alex".
It's also really weird when I said they/them to one person which when I was kid I already know they/them is more than one person
(Which also make me think is this bro schizo or what)
There's no about gender things till 2018 bro
How can be that incomplete
It's just western make more stuff to looks weird
I never see that backpack example
Even my friend Singaporean will be said
"Someone left their backpack here. I hope someone (or this guy or this girl) come back to take it"
This will be normal without u took they
because we already accepted they is more than 1 people.
It's will different if we see there's group take out "the someone" to the room
note : English is my 4nd language that I learn just because music
see this is a genuinely understandable reason. like i can guess how it would work in CN verbally since he she it all sound the exact same, but like in writing/text i get how it might be a bit confusing since unlike english mandarin doesnt have a singular they equivalent. but like, once they have been informed and had it explained but STILL decide to be bigoted or say bullshit like "it's not a real thing"? that's just them being shitty. like accidentally misgendering clove i get, hell i have done it and i have to double check to make sure im using them sometimes, but outright refusing is just not it
ur just confusing me now
ill make things clear
the original poster, the one u were replying to, said: "Don't you have to use are for plural?" indicating that are is plural.
U then gave an example stating: Are you going grocery shopping? then stating that there is NO plurality in the phrase.
However, in the phrase "Are you going grocery shopping?" the "you" in that case is in plural, not singular form. the word "you" has both singular and plural forms.
the word "you" has both singular and plural forms.
you reached the same conclusion that I was helping the original person I replied to figure out. Congrats.
The original person said: "don't you have to use "are" for plural?" -- which means that "are" can only be used in plural.
I'm not sure if your lack of english comprehension skills, or your lack of romanian knowledge, is what caused the confusion on your end, but I'm glad it is now solved.
Cheers
it's not an opinion.
if my name is James, I'd expect you to call me James. If you called me something else I'd get pretty annoyed, especially if you weren't my friend.
being named James isn't an opinion. you can't say "I'm not going to call you James because in my opinion James isn't a name" you're just being stubborn and ignorant.
It's a scientific fact that some people are non-binary. If you don't accept that, you are choosing to be wrong.
1-people who knows you would all you 'James' . but ppl who nvr meet you before they are no supposed to know your name, so they will just say 'bro' or 'hey you' or anything to drag your attention and start the conversation!
so if someone who is named 'James' and got a beard and looks pretty masculine would be automatically called 'bro (male)'.
and if James did identify as a 'she' or anything else its completely normal for ppl to miss gender James when meeting him for the first time!
2- some countries (aka some cultures) recognise only 2 genders
3- your example isn't valid! a name isn't the same as a gender.
bad exemple from u m8. this gender shit thingy is like someone is clearly human but he insist on you to call him a lion, why would I be degenerate like him and accept his madness while I should throw the truth ? same thing ssomeone clearly a fkn man but he insist to call and identify him as a her/she, so we throw our rational thinking and morals away and comply to his madness? you guys really lost it i swear
bs example
if my name is bigchairman12345, I'd expect you to call me that. If u cant, I will get annoyed. It's not an opinion, my name is bigchairman12345.
it's also a scientific fact that gender dysphoria is a mental illness, i can make a thread about it iyw
like if im a man and i want u to call me bigfoot, thats just complete bullshit lol
find a better example james
Gender dysphoria (previously gender identity disorder), according to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, is defined as a “marked incongruence between their experienced or expressed gender and the one they were assigned at birth.”
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
also u gotta realize ur not the only person in this world lmfao
some countries dont accept other genders, just as some countries dont recognize other countries
just accept not everyone is gonna buy ur bullshit and move on
theres a reason why LBGTQ in some countries is punished by death (not saying that it is right, just an example)
here you go idiot kiddo: https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/04/india/india-gang-rape-tourist-arrests-intl-hnk/index.html
what a scum of a human, having the guts to talk back, incredible
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/19/health/is-gender-dysphoria-mental-disorder-treatment-wellness/index.html#:~:text=Because%20gender%20dysphoria%20is%20included,a%20mental%20disorder%2C%20experts%20said.
i have many more proofs but im too lazy to argue with a brainwashed person
do some research first
Read the entire article LMFAO.
"gender incongruence — having a gender identity that’s not the one assigned at birth — isn’t what makes gender dysphoria a mental disorder. Having clinically significant dysphoria around the incongruence is what makes it a disorder"
"Gender dysphoria’s inclusion in the DSM is also necessary for access to gender-affirming care — so for The Trevor Project’s DeChants, whether gender dysphoria is in the DSM is partly a pragmatic issue."
Even then linking a fking CNN article of all things is abysmal
ironic because CNN is a wonderful representation of what the western society as a whole is like
Having clinically significant dysphoria around the incongruence is what makes it a disorder"
so in other words i feel trapped in the wrong body
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK532313/
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/symptoms-causes/syc-20475255
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-48448804
some agree that it is a mental disorder, while some does not.
apparantly all the WESTERN media tends to be more on the side that it isnt because im searching in english and im assuming u dont want to read russian articles or any articles outside of english language
EMEA and pacific regions seem to lean on the other side
Even then, classifying it as a mental disorder isnt bad. Depression is a mental disorder, anxiety is a mental disorder, anorexia is a mental disorder. So just because they are disorders, does that mean that those people who suffer from it are to be ignored or not considered for?
What do you think the treatment for gender dysmorphia is?
also you act like this isn't an actual issueIk discrimination is real but doing that for a video game char is far too much for me.
sorry for not having to worry about poverty, war and famineIts there in ur country too but you have greater "ACTUAL ISSUES" to worry about ig 🤷♂️.
And yes I am also sorry for not having to worry about a non-living things "PRONOUNS" & misgendering them.
This shouldn't even be a conversation, it's a video game character in a tactical FPS game. People will call it whatever it's easier and comfortable in the midst of the round/play.
Either way, it's also astounding how many people fail basic English grammar or basic science knowledge, yet somehow found the means to obtain a device and post retarded takes on the internet.
Alr so here is my take on this. You can call clove whatever you want, and it is fine to call clove whatever you want as they are just a fictional character. However, you should not be making hate comments against nb people and people part of the lgbtq community or the idea itself. Also, you should not be giving hate to people who have deferring opinions as they were raised differently, and different countries have different social norms. Instead argue without making xenophobic/racist comments (this can go both sides) .
people who use the excuse of "its not in my native language so i dont care and i'll keep calling them she" or whatever are stupid as hell
a lot of languages have genders for objects and just because that isnt a thing in english doesnt mean im just going to ignore it and gender objects incorrectly because thats just wrong lmaoo
i dont live in russia but at least they are doing SOME things right
having a non great track record for human rights does not coorolate, though it can be used for refrence
"human rights" is a thing that is defined.
A lot of countries dont agree that trans rights are human rights
it is human rights in america but not necessairly human rights in other countries
ur right. the UN is STATING what rights a human has
well who decides these people have rights? how do u know what rights a human has ingerently??? for example, Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of
working hours and periodic holidays with pay. How do I know that I inherently have that right from the moment which I was conceived???
There is a REASON why on the UN it says sex and not gender
well who decides these people have rights? how do u know what rights a human has ingerently
i think you meant inherently
no one decides if a human has rights or notHow do I know that I inherently have that right from the moment which I was conceived???
you know this because it is fundamental to the identity of a human
if you are a human, you have human rightsFurthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs
rights aren't unique to each country
Russia ain't doing anything right buddy, even in the modern, post cold war era.
it does correlate. They've imprisoned so many foreign nationals on no basis whatsoever (https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/evan-gershkovichs-stolen-year-in-a-russian-jail-61234ec9?mod=evan_gershkovich_lead_pos2)
Fact: humans have rights
Assumption: trans = humans
therefore trans rights are human rights
if you don't agree that trans people are humans then that's uhh. literal definition of bigoted.
think back to the 1800s, where slaves were considered humans, and were treated and classified as sub human species.
countries do not determine human rights. They are there to guard them, and prevent them from being infringed upon. the people are always responsible for giving themselves rights.
define different thing
Murderers had rights, but they lost them because they infringed upon other people's right to life
in addition, murders have certain rights as well. they have freedom to not be tortured, yeah in extenuating circumstances they ought to face the death penalty but that's different
trans people have not harmed anyone.
therefore they have equal human rights.
this is incorrect, gender dysphoria has existed since mankind
and i quote
Among the sexual depictions in Neolithic and Bronze Age drawings and figurines from the Mediterranean are, as one author describes it, a "third sex" human figure having female breasts and male genitals or without distinguishing sex characteristics
Talalay, Lauren E. (2005). "The Gendered Sea: Iconography, Gender, and Mediterranean Prehistory". The Archaeology of Mediterranean Prehistory. Blackwell. pp. 130–148, especially p. 136. ISBN 978-0-631-23267-4.
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