SEN in 2023 but idk why he didn't follow through

trent turned him down iirc. man saw the train-wreck coming.

neither of us claimed that this was "stopping" racism/radicalisation together lmao, who's doing the misinterpreting?

"prevent those people from creating pipelines through which to influence their younger fans" https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/prevent

I hate to break it to ya but you aren't stopping radicalization by canceling someone

notice how you lie :)

look at who you're talking to. logic will not work.

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doesn't exist. just play who you enjoy.

yes, prevent people from creating pipelines through which to worsen racism. that doesn't mean stopping racism altogether

now what I said in my original point: "I hate to break it to ya but you aren't stopping radicalization by canceling someone"

This sums up why im done here. You dont care about having an actual conversation. You will intentionally misinterpret (or in this case lie) to "win" an argument. You aren't worth my energy

actually upon further reading of your last point do you even know what an ideology is?

being socially liberal can be selective towards certain groups

that is literally just an ideology. every ideology exists to define who you can use violence against. this isnt unique to Liberalism and is a really dumb point to try and make. I had assumed you just defined Liberalism after reading the first sentence but wow.

you literally told him that he should "attempt to dismantle the systems"....? suggesting that it's an action that an invidual (he) can carry out. 1 line in and you already contradict what you said ?XD

nah that's just your intentionally unfavorable misinterpretation of my words whatever though.

i don't think he ever said that activism is "limited" to making vlr posts, perhaps that is all he does but so what? as long as he is making some consequential positive change, where is the issue?

He isn't making any change hes whining on vlr. This does not push the needle even a fraction of a micro meter.

i never said he was "stopping", but increasing the amount of people who can be wary of racist influencers clearly has a positive impact on them

"prevent those people from creating pipelines through which to influence their younger fans" https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/prevent

Get a thesaurus. You misunderstood my point regardless.

what makes someone "susceptible" to racism? it's exposure to it. decreasing their exposure thereby means they will be less likely to be racist. pretty basic stuff man.

Overly simplistic reduction of a complex topic and my point to try and make your point more credible. If keznit doesn't exist those who you say are "radicalized" by him would still be racist. Are you gonna stop being disingenuous?

liberal also doesn't mean left wing lmao, political liberalism is an ideology founded by John Locke who supported slavery and prescribed property as a "natural right". being socially liberal can be selective towards certain groups, it doesn't make you automatically left wing.

yah no shit. I forgot to reply when i said right wing i mean to say alt right. regardless classical Liberalism and "liberal" dont exactly line up in terms of ideology nowadays (you can thank america for that) hence why i didnt capitalize the word. Right and left will always be relative terms regardless and are less useful than the actual beliefs espoused by those who are being discussed. Regardless this is just another distraction since you have no actual discussion on my words just disingenuous misinterpretations to attempt to skew the discussion.

This is why i dont fuck with talking politics online anymore. You write an incredibly detailed and clear sentence and fuckers like you will just say something completely different and act like its what you said. Good luck in life hope you grow out of this phase.

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hey man i think you just aren't cut out to watch sport if this has you so pressed this shit is minor asf compared to some of the shit that goes down in actual sport

it doesn't really matter because your point doesn't apply to this format. Comparing records between the groups in meaningless since they played different teams. Loud had objectively harder matches (kru sen c9) but an easier time qualifying since 1/3rd of their group went 0/5.

It makes sense LOUD had a worse record since the two free wins (MIBR and FUR) were in their group.

brother you're getting genuinely mad at a serial baiter you're so cooked rn

they aren't competing with kru and sen for a spot though

thats the point

thats not the argument you wanna make take a note from the two people above you they've got it right

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regional fans cheering for their region lord have mercy 😱😱😱

billi billi

Hes a rage poster on vlr talkin about 2 grown men going back and forth is cringe

its not a run tho thats my point. Itd be a miracle run if all the other teams self destructed and they made shang hai cause of it but no one remembers playoffs unless you make the event.

winning a miracle run

mf this is groups it aint even a run this isnt even to qual for shang hai its to qual for a chance to qual for shang hai.

If she's still with u after u said u got a 5 digit vlr post count you should leave thats a massive red flag shes desperate

and then they trounce DRX

that is such a worse format 💀

how do you attempt to "dismantle the systems" lmao? name me one political philosopher who considers that an action of an invididual

show me where the fuck i said it was the action of an individual? Spending your energy on fucking vlr trying to cancel a content creator isn't doing shit. If you think you're making a change by doing any of this you're lying to yourself. You're right dismantling systems of discrimination and racism is an incredibly complicated and massive task that a single individual cannot complete alone. However, posting a "keznit racism allegations" isn't even making an attempt at that. This MF literally said keznit is reproducing structural racism you sure this is the hill you wanna die on? If he's an activist as he claims why is his activism limited to make vlr posts? Why isn't he organizing? Why isn't he spending time contributing to communities harmed by systematic racism. Why is he wasting his energy on vlr?

the best way to fight online racism in content creators is to spread awareness, and to out those who are, to prevent those people from creating pipelines through which to influence their younger fans

You're feeding yourself a pipe-dream. I hate to break it to ya but you aren't stopping radicalization by canceling someone. Radicalization will happen to these people regardless of whether or not you make vlr thread about keznit. If someone is susceptible to radicalization by keznit making monkey noises then they're likely already being groomed into racist sentiments in their personal life. Radicalization is a systemic cultural issue with how we raise and teach our youth.

I said it before I'll say it again you just wanna be mad. No shit keznits a racist piece of shit but stop with this concern trolling bullshit acting like you're doing something. You're just whining online you aren't stopping racism you aren't preventing radicalization you're writing a self-masturbatory thread about how good of a person you are.

how do you know he's a liberal

I don't just an assumption based on his actions. I doubt a right-winger is calling keznit racist and I would be surprised if he's a leftist given the fact he said keznit is "reproducing structural racism."

his track record is awful. Hes consistently shown that his teams have an inability to adapt to both meta shifts and higher level competition. the guard fell apart the moment the meta shifted towards chamber. C9 fell apart the moment they were pressed by serious competition in a tournament setting. He can get as much group stage success as he wants and itll never mean shit.

+MCE (Coach)

what are you smoking. MCE has show time and time again that his teams dont have legs.

imma call that cap. whatever though. you're concern trolling not raising awareness.

oh come the fuck on dude you're paying lip service to the idea of structural racism on a Valorant forum to seem reasonable. If you actually gave a fuck you'd be attempting to dismantle the systems that actively enforce and protect racist people instead of sitting inside complaining about an esports player. This is why i dont fuck with liberals fuckin fake activist mf all you do is performative.

Don't get me wrong him implying that Keznit is causing murders by making monkey noises is wild. Its like saying that WW2 was caused by some random racist dude in Germany.

At a certain point post hoc doesn't exactly apply. I can say "If I let go of this rock it will fall because that's what I saw it do the other 100 times" and while that is indeed a post hoc fallacy its a little disingenuous to imply that it completely discredits the statement.

TLDR implying that the normalization of racism increases racist violence and hate crimes isn't exactly the most wild thing in the world.

it is very far-fetched to make people believe that it is a monkey sound

only if you dont have ears LOL

Is that all? So mad you gotta act like you're baiting now huh? Farewell coward :)

Imma just leave this here while im at it

.t does not require line of site

Lie #1

It will not be ww3 to create a lineup like you are implying

Lie #2

That alone is a situation where their kit exceeds other smoke agents.

Lie #3

okay so your argument is ignore what I said, call me stupid, then continue ignoring what I said. Typical 0 star baiter throwaway account.

and the temper-tantrum that follows.

no you didn't. again you can't read you picked out piece by piece out of context.

MF you literally intentionally misinterpreted 3 of my points in that comment and are coming in here talking about "you cant read." I didn't take shit out of context. You're just mad and have nothing to reply with. Notice how the only response you've had to any of my points this entire thread is either 1 misinterpreting/lying about my points or 2 not knowing the basic mechanics of clove's abilities.

even when you did "reply" you didn't actually say anything. Your comebacks are literally, "you're delusional", "you're scrambling", "you're stupid".

I think that's warranted when you loudly and proudly say straight up lies about the agent we're discussing. To be clear "you're scrambling" and "you're delusional" were responses to you lying. But oh well I'm happy knowing anyone with a brain can read this thread to see how idiotic you are.

I already told you that you're wrong

? all you did was lie about how clove's abilities work. Not my fault you lack basic knowledge of her kit. I'm starting to think you've never played her.

Oh well. Keep it up this just makes me look better ! You're calling me a baiter now so you have a way of running away while saving face keep it up!

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except you're picking pieces out of context to only support what you're saying hmmmm

I quoted every single word and replied directly to the points you made. You wanna run and say I'm baiting now cause you know you fucked up. How come you didn't even know the cooldown of Clove's smokes? How come you didn't know her decay requires LOS?

You're very loud and very wrong. Oh well. Keep running :)

both shit sayf mildly less shit

dont go broke over a valorant team

there is no point in franchising history where navi has been a top 3 team

that would be a downgrade tho

lost to fut and drx to champs using the same strats

they lost to fut in the regular season... they lost to fut... to fut... It wasn't because of recycling strats either this was before tokyo.

Regardless even when they were at their peak (tokyo) it was still their weakest map. They almost lost to EG on it. Also you don't just get 13-1ed because of recycling stats. Especially by 2023 DRX. Recycling strats on a map that wasn't weak would've been like a 13-6 or 13-7 or at worst a 13-4 (look at their loud games) you dont just get 13-1ed on a good part of your map pool. Also literally just watch the post loud rematch interview from last year. Mini literally agreed that bind was weak for them.

whats this revisionist history? Bind was objectively a weak map for fnc last year.

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cry is free

I guess a direct point-by-point response is now ignoring what someone said 🤷‍♂️. Oh well we both know you're just running away because I exposed the fact you don't know basic mechanics about how clove's kit works which completely negates your argument. Not surprising I'd be embarrassed too if I were you.

are shit were shit will be shit nothing changed

if you're gonna type this much why not read what I actually typed? No shit im not saying agents are only picked based on how long they've been in the game??? There is a reason you didn't quote me saying that and it's cause I never said it. I literally went on to write it takes teams extra time they do not have to create strats and comps including new agents.

Are you daft? Do you understand the English language? Replying to a comment saying that clove isn't going to get picked with "well shes a new agent so teams aren't picking her" clearly implies that the only reason clove isn't being played is because shes new. I literally even agreed and said the fact that she is newer may be a slight factor. Ironically you're doing exactly what you say I'm doing. You look desperate dude.

.t does not require line of site

It literally does. How do you not even know the mechanics of an agent you like? You're an idiot.

Go look it up on youtube random people have already made util lineups

All of which have the q explode within line of sight of the target. This is embarrassing dude you should stop.

Clove's decay has a large splash zone

*if the opponent is within line of sight :)

It will not be ww3 to create a lineup like you are implying

Never said it was you're attempting to exaggerate my point (that clove has objectively the worst decay ability in the game) in order to make yourself look less delusional.

If she is dead she can't heal

No shit Sherlock. If you're picking her for her heal then you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far gone to be reasoned with.

Clove can do more alive then when they are dead

While objectively true, this misses the entire point I was making. She is balanced around having impact after death. Because she can still smoke after death the abilities she can use while still alive are weaker. If you gave omen her smoke after death ability he would be busted. She isn't busted because her other util (heal and decay) are absolute horseshit compared to every other controller in the game.

Again with you not reading, as I said before, being able to use clove's abilities after death is a perk

This is ironic because I literally said this. You're scrambling son. Keep intentionally misinterpreting my words.

On top of all this Clove's smokes regenerate. She can throw out more smokes a round than any other agent.

Her smokes have the same cooldown as Omen's... They also don't last as long. How stupid can you be? You literally need to invent another agent entirely for them to even be ok.

That alone is a situation where their kit exceeds other smoke agents

No. Unless the other smoke agent dies before using any of their util (not something any team on the planet plans for) this does not put her above the other smokers. She sucks at taking space compared to viper and omen. She sucks at holding space compared to viper and omen. Hell, she's even worse at taking fights than omen since none of her util actually helps her take the fight. Her ability to smoke after death is the aspect of her kit that makes up for her dogshit util. Unfortunately, since this is pro-play no team is going to sacrifice the ability to take space for the potential to maybe trade a kill and then maybe take the site and then maybe stall the post plant long enough for a second round of smokes. Any team would just pick omen and use the blind to take site an option that is simultaneously SAFER AND MORE EFFECTIVE.

Ironic you kept saying I don't know how to read while not know basic mechanics of your agent and intentionally misinterpreting what I was saying 🤭

suuuuuuuuuuure buddy :)

sure u did that's why you responded by accepting the provocation 🤣

how dumb do you have to be to fall for this type of bait...