- NRG
- G2
- SEN
- C9
- 100T
- EG
VinsmokeLaw [#7]What's the rationale on the only team to keep a real core likely being 5th ? lol
I don't trust Cryo in this meta
VinsmokeLaw [#7]What's the rationale on the only team to keep a real core likely being 5th ? lol
G2 Nrg Sen and c9 kept their core
saebr [#12]who's nrg 5th after verno? cause rn g2 jawgemo seems like enough to put them 1st ngl
its mada
CxsmicEntity [#20]Bro said "South NA"
I’m starting to realize that EU geography is just as bad as American geography
Jivko [#21]NRG stocks going down by getting Tier 2 players. G2 are gonna farm Freemerica
jonahp trent and valyn famous t1 players
Big_Pringle [#26]I’m starting to realize that EU geography is just as bad as American geography
🦧🦧🦧🦧
BLuko [#30]With the rumors wouldn't lev be considered somewhat NA if they have demon1, c0m, and tex
I hate to say so but yeah. tbh Idk how to rank them since we barely have any idea what their team is gonna look like
saebr [#25]i thought another thread had mada going to lev?
https://x.com/anonimotum/status/1840797551143837915 ig LEV or mada himself chose to go a different way
Jivko [#21]NRG stocks going down by getting Tier 2 players. G2 are gonna farm Freemerica
flag, does LULgaria even have a single decent player?
NebularCarina [#33]flag, does LULgaria even have a single decent player?
wolfen is the only one who was in franchise
Big_Pringle [#26]I’m starting to realize that EU geography is just as bad as American geography
He just flag bait he isn’t from eu
Big_Pringle [#26]I’m starting to realize that EU geography is just as bad as American geography
south na is a thing wym thats just texas oklahoma tennesee etc
your geography is bad buddy
flnnss [#32]https://x.com/anonimotum/status/1840797551143837915 ig LEV or mada himself chose to go a different way
damn. w for nrg but still wanted to see demon1 play with fns/som some more
cameran [#39]south na is a thing wym thats just texas oklahoma tennesee etc
your geography is bad buddy
that makes ZERO sense in this scenario
0/8
PersonHere [#42]100T keeping everyone except Bang and prob getting Zander and still 5th is diabolical
how do you rank Cryo and Asuna in all of americas rn
Nachtel [#31]I hate to say so but yeah. tbh Idk how to rank them since we barely have any idea what their team is gonna look like
That's fair. Not sure if its worth alienating their fanbase tho.
cameran [#39]south na is a thing wym thats just texas oklahoma tennesee etc
your geography is bad buddy
South NA would be Mexico through Panama and all of the countries in the Caribbean.
Ultia [#48]South NA would be Mexico through Panama and all of the countries in the Caribbean.
oh whoops but that proves my point that south na is a thing so WWWWW
Nachtel [#44]how do you rank Cryo and Asuna in all of americas rn
Cryo either plays like the best player in the server or a total ghost, no in between
Nachtel [#44]how do you rank Cryo and Asuna in all of americas rn
I’d rate Cryo as probably the best Jett in the region just for his Oping but he’s a step down on any other Agent — Just think cNed.
Asuna is a highly vocal Zyppan. He’s more consistent than Zellsis and Mazino on flashes but falls behind Ethan, JonahP, and Cauanzin. So top 5.
He plays Raze and Neon though which makes up for Cryo’s inflexibility. He’s probably 6th-8th in the region?
World Class
Jawgemo | Zekken | Oxy | Keznit | Aspas
Regional
Asuna | Mada | Tex | Mwzera | Silentzz | Dantedeus
T2 Bound
Icy | Victor | Palla
Nachtel [#44]how do you rank Cryo and Asuna in all of americas rn
Replied twice on accident cuz bad internet >:c
justo [#52]
- G2
- SEN
- 100T
- NRG
- C9
- EG
I like this ranking. C9 might be a dark horse with the Rossy pick up and if Xeppaa maintains his off-season form. v1c is also a great fragger — like an offbrand Skuba or Zander, same quality but lesser known.
3rd-5th should be close hopefully but I don’t see G2 and SEN not making at least 2/3 Internationals. I do think you should include LEV in the list though since they’re going to be majority NA it seems.
1: G2 (They kept their 4 and added jawgemo which is a huge upgrade for icy)
2: Sen , they have their core of 3 and solid new signs if rumors are true.
3: I would put 100T here coz they looked good in 2024 and now with enough time I believe they will cook up something good.
4: NRG , FNS last dance , best t2 duelist , best t2 initiator arguably and ethan and s0m . What else can be said.
5: Cloud9: C9 are weird , they are gonna start crazy hot then choke all the playoffs in existence.
6:EG , ong they are cooked but I wouldn’t be suprised if they make the first international via some crazy cooking if potter stays.
Honorable Mentions: LEV 💀 they are practically a NA team if demon1 signing rumors are true.
Ultia [#54]Replied twice on accident cuz bad internet >:c
no worries lol.
Well basically in my opinion, the current meta rewards:
-aggressive Neon players that can carry lobbies with mechanics and movement
-proficient raze players with top tier movement on bind and split.
-S tier awpers only on Ascent and Icebox
If we look at the map pool:
Sunset: Raze/Neon/Yoru
Split: Raze
Bind: Raze
Abyss: Jett/Yoru
Haven: Jett/Neon/Yoru
Ascent: Jett
Icebox: Jett/No Duelist
If we're to base Cryo purely off the fact that Jett can be played in 4 of the 7 maps in the pool (ignoring that Neon is arguably better in some of them), if he's a step down on any map where Asuna has to fill Raze in his stead then the team's average quality goes down on those maps--especially since we both agree Asuna isn't realistically going to hard-diff his competition on that role either.
To put it another way, what I'm saying is that on 3/7 maps in the pool, the duelist slot that Asuna fills is downgraded and the flex spot that cryo then has to fill is also downgraded. This will at best cost 100T the advantage in map vetoes against most teams and at worst nerf them severely on at least 1 (potentially 2) maps of any Bo3 they play next year.
Nachtel [#59]no worries lol.
Well basically in my opinion, the current meta rewards:
-aggressive Neon players that can carry lobbies with mechanics and movement
-proficient raze players with top tier movement on bind and split.
-S tier awpers only on Ascent and IceboxIf we look at the map pool:
Sunset: Raze/Neon/Yoru
Split: Raze
Bind: Raze
Abyss: Jett/Yoru
Haven: Jett/Neon/Yoru
Ascent: Jett
Icebox: Jett/No DuelistIf we're to base Cryo purely off the fact that Jett can be played in 4 of the 7 maps in the pool (ignoring that Neon is arguably better in some of them), if he's a step down on any map where Asuna has to fill Raze in his stead then the team's average quality goes down on those maps--especially since we both agree Asuna isn't realistically going to hard-diff his competition on that role either.
To put it another way, what I'm saying is that on 3/7 maps in the pool, the duelist slot that Asuna fills is downgraded and the flex spot that cryo then has to fill is also downgraded. This will at best cost 100T the advantage in map vetoes against most teams and at worst nerf them severely on at least 1 (potentially 2) maps of any Bo3 they play next year.
That’s a pretty accurate assessment.
Icebox and Ascent became their primary maps in Split 2. Bind was heavily anti’d while Asuna’s Raze and Cryo’s Omen were poor on Lotus. Cryo also dropped stinkers on Astra for Split and Jett on Haven — to the point they switched to the FNC comp with him on Iso and Asuna in Yoru for their playoff match against Sen and looked decent.
Here’s how the map pool favors them:
Ascent | Pearl | Abyss
Bind | Split | Sunset
Haven?
Ultia [#55]I like this ranking. C9 might be a dark horse with the Rossy pick up and if Xeppaa maintains his off-season form. v1c is also a great fragger — like an offbrand Skuba or Zander, same quality but lesser known.
3rd-5th should be close hopefully but I don’t see G2 and SEN not making at least 2/3 Internationals. I do think you should include LEV in the list though since they’re going to be majority NA it seems.
ig LEV to start the season would probably be 5-7. Expectations should start low with Demon1. If he gets back to form they would probably be top 3. At his peak he could win maps on his own
I think the top 2 are quite close and pretty interchangeable, with NRG their closest competitor. 100T should be improved with Zander but I'm still not convinced they weren't just on a hot streak tbh. C9 is mid and EG I haven't heard any roster rumors other than losing Jawgemo so they're last just by default.
Nachtel [#44]how do you rank Cryo and Asuna in all of americas rn
The question I'm asking is who tf is cloud9 getting that puts them above 100T? 100t made LAN and got 4th for qualifying for Champs (Kinda got scammed by format but whatever), and all Ik rn is C9 is getting Rossy and that one pick up alone doesn't change anything
cameran [#39]south na is a thing wym thats just texas oklahoma tennesee etc
your geography is bad buddy
He's meaning South America "SA", not "Southern Noth America"
Nachtel [#28]jonahp trent and valyn famous t1 players
Yes? Are you new to Valorant. Before being sent down to Challengers when it was Open Bracket not franchising they were tier 1 Players who beat Masters winning SEN with dapr Tenz Shazam and Optic and qualified for Masters Playoffs. Mada in open bracket was only beating random teams. Tenz literally said on stream they were winning only 3 games each map against The Guard in scrims. They "returned" to tier 1 in September 2023 not "joined".
Are also you equating Verno's first year to JohnQT joining Tier 1 in September 2023. Activate our brain a bit here.
Tadpole3 [#68]Yes? Are you new to Valorant. Before being sent down to Challengers when it was Open Bracket not franchising they were tier 1 Players who beat Masters winning SEN with dapr Tenz Shazam and Optic and qualified for Masters Playoffs. Mada in open bracket was only beating random teams. Tenz literally said on stream they were winning only 3 games each map against The Guard in scrims. They "returned" to tier 1 in September 2023 not "joined".
Are also you equating Verno's first year to JohnQT joining Tier 1 in September 2023. Activate our brain a bit here.
Lol. 90% of T2 is full of pre-2023 T1 players
Whether they've been in franchising for the past one or a million years does nothing to change the point that T2 players aren't some inherently worse pool to pick from like the guy I replied to thinks they are