Top 20 players of the year

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1.T3xture - after last season, even after showing promise, nobody would have seen this coming, but T3xture was able to put GENG on his back and get to work whenever it was needed
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2.Aspas - without a question the best player of this season if the international success didnt go into equation, the GOAT of Valorant still gets better and better with every match
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3.Meteor - an amazing player that could never reach the heights he was capable of, this season Meteor was finally able to show how dominant he can be on the international stage
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4.Alfajer - even with a lack of an International trophy, and with the unfortunate situations which hit FNATIC, Alfa still provided what was needed and showed up regularly
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5.Zmjjkk - a player which suprised very much, considering the appalling result at Madrid and Shanghai and with something to prove, he showed why he shouldnt be underwhelmed
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6.Benjyfishy - although he hasnt had the greatest of stats for the entire season, his ability to always provide stability and an exit from a bad situation is enough for him to be this high
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7.Zekken - finally his results managed to be backed up with a Trophy, after the struggles of being on a team which cant reach that heights, its interesting to see what his level will be in 2025
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8.Karon - undoubtedly the rookie of the year, the level Karon showed propelled GENG to the biggest highs available
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9.Derke - a guy that knows what it takes to break down a defence, after a somewhat slow start, he got right back into action after Madrid
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10.Riens - another rookie who maybe at first didnt catch everyones attention, he definetly made it hard to doubt him after an amazing year, which should only lead to a better 2025
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11.Chronicle - a consistency like no other, Chronicle has put himself up at a level which always be recognized long after his retirement
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12.Wo0t - after bursting onto the scene in Lebron James style, he quieted down after Miniboo returned to the lineup, but was still amazing at providing what he needed to provide
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13.Chichoo - an unexpected player to be featured here for the whole season, but after stepping up when it was needed the most he was able to help deliver China its first trophy
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14.TenZ - after an amazing start to the season, he showed a little regresion, which costed him a higher spot, but Tenz was still able to prove at Champs how solid and reliable he can be
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15.JonahP - a very consinstent played, that can be unkillable at certain times, next year could be even better for G2
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16.Tex - very underrated coming into this season, he proved that his role swap didnt lead to worse ability on the server
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17.Leaf - as he always does, Leaf provides ability to adapt to different systems and different roles for the success of the team which very much showed, after dissappointing C9 tenure
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18.F0rsaken - a very consinstent Flex played, who you can always rely on to give his all, looking forward to see how can PaperRex adapt after a dissappointing season
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19.Trexx - a player which always seems to be on underwhelming teams, yet delivers as much as he can, even with a miss of Kickoff this year
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20.Eeiu - a piece in success of 100 Thieves, he really stepped up and proved he deserves to be in Tier 1
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Honorable mentions:

D4v41
cNed
Smoggy
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Leo

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good list from what I can see by skimming through

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stopped reading at aspas 2

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I did write that he would be at number 1 if it wasnt for the lack of International success

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he means aspas should be lower. this guy legit held back his team at champs through his inability to op on attack and his baity playstyle

tex and mazino had similar FK attempts to him, that says it all

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He does have that trait. but if any other duelist was in his place i doubt they would have been as good as they have been, if they can solve their choking problem, i would be surprised if Aspas doesnt lead them to an international trophy next season
With his lack of OP i think its probably the lack of trust since the others have to be able to provide him the space to AWP and get picks, or its probably the team decision to not have him OP on attack

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lev were up like 11-7 vs edg or th cant remember

aspas started buying awp

they lost every round and were down 11-12

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so you are judging an entire year based on 4 rounds?

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Quanto mais alto você está, maior sera sua sombra.
E a coisa mais satisfatoria que certas pessoa tem, é ver alguem cair do ceu.

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Its not that deep, my guy

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Ado ado, se você leu, você chupa homen.

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Nice

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i said this when people first starting shit talking yay bro, eventually it will happen to everyone (aspas, demon1, whoever) the moment you slip

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If you look at the entire year aspas has similar fkpr to basically every good duelist (except zmjjkk who is the exception) and the only reason he has a lower fdpr is because he has a better rate of winning the first duel. This narrative started out as bait and the fact some mfers are dumb enough to actually take it seriously is funny af. I do think Aspas is number 3 and that Zmjjkk overall was better than him this year though.

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no he can not be top 5

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placements can be switched around but generally i agree

i would have smoggy in my top 20 though

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I just didnt think a couple of solid performances at Champs would be able to get him a spot considering the other players have been very consistent more or less, but i did put him at honorable mentions

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i suppose for the first half of the year i’d agree, but since his switch to smokes he has looked like the best controller in the world, it was a really good switch and his impact in stage 2 and champs was massive

i understand him not being on your list, though, he had a very slow start to the season

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Zekken 7th lol

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I think he was very consinstent and a top 4 at champs has solidified his position in the top half

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TOP 5 ATLEAST

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I expect it next year but for this one i think 7th is perfect for him

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Can you explain why Benjy and Alfa are above him?

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For Benjy i would say he stepped up when the team needed him to and managed to up the vibes + better achievement at internationals this season
For Alfa i would just say that he has been Mr. Consistent, and since he was the best player last season i wouldnt agree that he regressed to the point where he isnt top 5, even without much international success considering the circumstances Fnatic went through this season

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Massively overrating Benjy he’s a clutch player but in no world is he above zekken, he’s smart but he’s no star player(zekken was wayyyy better through Madrid, split 2 and champs, Benjy also had a meh champs and shanghai. Only time he looked better then even riens was during split 1)

Zekken is below Benjy cuz he had a worse year(he didn’t) but Alfa is on the list cus his team was struggling???? Alfa was pretty dangerous this year but tbh i think ur massively underrating zekken, Alfa should def be at the bottom of the list if he’s even on it(Derke clears, chronicle in the second half of the year clears)

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Alfa had a much better rating than Benjy and he was playing more or less like last year
Sen choked some matches really badly and werent that good until Champs (they beat all of the teams they should beat in stage 2, and lost pretty bad against g2 and 100t)
TH as a team exceded expectations and remain consistent throught the season even if they didnt lift a trophy, and reaching 2 international grand finals is not a little achievement - while Benjy wasnt the best player in terms of stats he was very clutch and played his role very good

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So alfas on the list cuz he was good last year
Sen became pretty mid BUT zekken kept farming the whole time
1 trophy and top 4 > 2 GF
Benjy was good but no way u can rationalise him being top 10, his impact was less then players like zekken, chichoo, smoggy, Derke, Tenz, chronicle etc…

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Other than Madrid and Stage 2 (3rd) Heretics reached all of the Grand Finals available to them, which i would call a pretty surreal achievement
Alfa was not playing as bad as people think bc of the lack of international trophies but they did win both of the splits which is still a good achievement
You are right that Benjy didnt have as high of impact when you just compare player by player, but i think that he was the reason his team was able to reach those heights when he was popping off at kickoff and he knows he cant continue to be the star player like Alfa because he is not at that level yet and that would not be good towards players like Miniboo and Wo0t who needed that space when they were on duelist

For Alfa it was different since you are playing with a setup gods in Leo and Chronicle, and Boaster is not all that, he knew he needed to carry in some moments which he did

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benjy won fuck all this season? alfa as well, benjy wasnt that good in champs either

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delusional

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you are so stupid you guys just wanna be different just say it zekken 7th tenz 14 i know you guys wanna show that you dont support popular players but it wont change the facts buddy

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take that mid duelist´s dick out of your mouth first

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its facts i dont need to be sucking someone off to know zekken is a top 5 in world but yeah maybe you are sucking your favourite player thats why you cant see the truth

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delulu take, keep coping

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aspas 2 aside, eeiu 20 is absolutely despicable

do you even watch the games or just see big rating number = good player

watch eeiu and youll see why his rating is so high. he is genuinely the lowest impact player in NA. when i say aspas is a baiter, im half joking. but this guy, is a real baiter. he baits so fucking hard, at least 50% of his kills per games are exits, and i wouldnt be surprised if he has the highest save%

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well eeiu gets a pass at being a baiter because he’s an initiator, he’s not supposed to take duels like duelists/sentis do

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yes but he takes it to another level and hes not even that outstanding in the clutch

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I would not agree, i think he won a lot of Rounds in clutches, and he is not the one who should be taking duels so he should be the last one alive most of the times

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I think its recency bias since he had some bad maps last 2 games, but he was 9/10 times the best player on the team and put up absurd numbers very consistently

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he was farming exits vs lev in regular season 💀 lev even called him out for being a stat padder

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swap benjy and riens honestly
jonahp and tex undeserved imho
add leo and add d4v41 or smoggy

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nah, benjy was their best player by far
they have a great team, but he really stepped up

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riens is easily their best player what?

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Leo would have been 100% on the list if it wasnt for so much missed time
D4v41 i dont think was on a level of the players that are above him consistent enough of times
Smoggy was very average the whole season and wasnt that much better at Champs so i dont think he was better than an honorable mention
JonahP was very good its just that with G2 bombing out everyone thinks they didnt do anything
Tex was stepping up massively and was the reason for Lev winning some important games
And for Benjy i think he has been able to step up in the situations when team needed it most, and he was able to keep up good vibes no matter the circumstances

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3 Fnatic players in the top 20 players of the year and nowhere near a trophy

Interesting take, some would almost say delusional

Derke and Chronicle bounced between washed and serviceable

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god your hate boner for this team is so boring, find another gimmick

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this was a decent take tbh, fnatic was mid throughout the year

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true but this guy acts like he’s physically repulsed by fnatic’s existence when their name is mentioned, it was funny at one point now it’s exhausting

as for the players i’d probably put derke in the top 20 and no one else, they did top their region twice with him being their best player

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It's not funny

its sad that every time there's one of these lists the same bums end up on it for no reason

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I think considering their circumstances they did okay, Derke was very solid, Chronicle is somehow always there, and Alfa didnt drop off that much compared to last year when he was unstoppable

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sure, but he gets downvoted for it so who cares. Derke maybe cracks top 20. I would take all of geng except lakia, all of heretics, tenz and zekken johnqt, kk chichoo smoggy, valyn leaf, aspas, n4rrate, flashback, forsaken davai

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I think they have been good enough even though they didnt have international success and they managed to always beat Heretics when it mattered so that would be enough for me considering that Leo was sick and Hiro was a rookie who didnt have the offseason to get to know his team and practise

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bad list, not a single fnatic player should be top 15

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Aspas 2 and kangkang 5
stop reading this list.

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player of the year, not player of champions

edg was ass the whole year until champions, got shitted masters madrid and shanghai

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I originally thought of putting KangKang at like 9, but he did really overperform and did what needed to be done, and capitalize on SEN and LEV choking

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Aspas got shitted masters shanghai and champions, even fail to attend in Madrid.
anyone who put aspas above kangkang for 2024 is braindead.

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edg also shat in shanghai and mibr can qualify to international tournaments if they play in china

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aspas wasn’t at madrid and got a lower placement than edg in shanghai lmao

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i really dont see how people genuinely rate tenz so low all the time

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He had an amazing beginning to the season, but was not always at the highest level when needed after that, so i think thats a good spot for him

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he puts up duelist numbers on omen, and literally carried sen this champs. He was 100% at the highest level when his team needed him. I think your mistaking him for sacy

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He was solid at Champs but i think the players above him did show more with less available

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FNATIC were in the shit situation the whole season and the others were in the 2 grand finals out of 3, and KK is the MVP of champs

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FNATIC being mid the whole year somehow gets 3 players in the top 20, but TenZ winning madrid and top 4 champs somehow places him lower. I think its the sen hate boner showing bro

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I meannn, only 1 FNATIC played is above Zekken on the list and he was the best player of last year so i dont think Alfa regressed to the point of not deserving to be less than top 5 for this season

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alfa was never at any point the best player itw

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In 2023 i would say he has been the best player on FNC, most consistent and the player with most acheved so that would make him the best player of that year

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KK was the MVP of the finals brother not champs.

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I mean he was top 5 in all of the Major categories for the players at Champs and won the tournament so i would say he is the MVP of the tournament

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i feel like he was pretty consistent the whole year along with zekken, in stage 1 when sentinels were at their worst he was the highest rated player on the team, in stage 2 he was the second highest rated player in the team. Despite sentinels playing bad, he was top 10 in terms of rating for both stages.

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He was more consistent compared to 2023, but i think players above him just showed something more for the team when it was on them to bail the team out of a difficult situation
I would say Tex wasnt that far from TenZ this year in terms of play, its just that SEN had an incledible first half of the season which gave him a lift

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im devastated that my goat flashback did not make the list... hes been phenomenal in almost every match DRX has played with him.

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I just think missing a part of the season and not achieving much until the end of the year, where they only did the upset against FNATIC and PaperRex

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JohnQT did well as well.

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He is very underrated but as an IGL its tough to be putting up the numbers for this kind of list

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Alfajer 4th what in the actual fuck LMAOOO HOW DID NO ONE NOTICE THAT

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He was just Mr. consistent this season, and considering he was the best player last season, i dont think he regressed to the point of being outside the top 5

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he was not even the 2nd best player or even 3rd on his own fucking team LOL. You put Chronicle 11th when he was better than Alfajer in every conceivable margin from start to finish this year, W shitpost though.

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yay 1st next year im from the future

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I hope so

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yes, y0y will be the 1st streamer in the future.

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Only if FNS is competing

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bro tried to sneak alfa at 4 💀💀💀not even the best player on his team this year

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no one spotted this shit out yet aint no waaaaaay this is funny as fuck

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7/8

Very well done bait that took alot of time, but a little too obvious

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actually pretty decent list, but eeiu being top 20 is weird af to me. He's avg imo.

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Originally i didnt have him on the list, but as i listed all the players i think he showed enough this year and really stepped up in stage 1, and remained somewhat consistent

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id argue derke had a better year than alfa

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Waayyyyy better

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I think i gave the edge to Alfa bc he has been more or less the same player as last year while Derke had a slow start to the year, which cost him a higher position imo

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i know derke had a rough start to the year but alfa did not have his usual insane year this year compared to others, after kickoff though derke was carrying fnatic to wins

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Ye he did not, but i still think he played good enough to be ahead of Derke, considering he was getting high praise for the similar play last season when Derke wasnt always on

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switch chronicle and alfa maybe, chronicle was the most consistent of fnc of all

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Not a bad shout, but considering i had Alfa as the best player last year and he has been playing more or less the same i dont think he regressed to the point where he isnt at least top 5 still

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could alfa have performed better than the others? Yes, but did he? No. And I think for a top20 list like this you have to take things as they are

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You are not wrong, but considering the circumstances FNATIC were in this season with Leo being sick and Hiro not having time to adapt completely (lack of an offseason to get to know the team and practise), to come out of that with victories at Stage 1 and 2 is not a bad achievement + they have always beaten Heretics when it mattered most in EMEA (At Champs it was unreasonable to think FNATIC could win the tournament, so it was an expected loss imo)

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Very good list

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nvm

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disrespect to zekken is crazy

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I mean top 7 is pretty good

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Aspas and Alfajer are not even top 5 genuinely. Wtf is this biased ass list?

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having any fnc player in the top 15 other than derke is actually criminal LOL

and why is someone like riens not even top 7???? no w0ot????

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I mean Riens at 10 is pretty reasonable and Wo0t at 12 also since he missed half the season
For the FNC guys they were solid enough for me to consider them still elite and in the upper echelon of players for this year

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if we're basing it on both regionally and internationally i guess you could make an argument for like 2 of them????
but if we're just judging it off tournaments then alfa is NOWHERE near the top, not even top 15. derke was much better than him this year, and even then he's max top like 10
team heretics was also just so much better than fnatic, to me it seems like you took last year and this year and combined them

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Nah its the players of the year, and while my they were better in terms of achievements 2 of them were rookies and Benjy was solid but not better overall than Alfa + im giving the pass to FNC since they had many problems and the 3 of them still played very good (Leo also)

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i mean i disagree completely but its whatever

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Hey, we can agree to disagree its all good, its just my list thats it

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Alfajer 4th is hilarous lmao. Clear bait post when bro wasnt even top 3 on his team this season

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I didnt think it would be that ridicilous to put Alfa in 4th considering he was playing in the team with constant problems whether it be Leo being sick or having a rookie with no offseason join the team and they still did pretty good, yea they didnt have international success, but considering the entire season i think Alfa has played well enough to be in the top 5

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trexx, aspas, zekken, tenz, leaf, eeiu, trexx underrated
alfajer, jonah, and tex shouldnt be on the list
less, kai, hiro, n4rrate, invy, and leo should be on the list (or at least hm)

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I did put Leo in honorable mentions and he would have been on the list if it wasnt for missed time
Less had a really underwhelming season after Madrid, compared to others on the list
Hiro played only like 14 matches, which is not enough
Kai was only at Champs and the competition in China wasnt that strong
N4rrate had a decline towards the end and wasnt able to play the way we first saw KC
Invy didnt make an international, but he was solid, just not enough considering the players in honorable mentions

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Narrate and Invy over JonahP is absolute delusion, JonahP was crucial to G2's success this year

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as a teammate jonah clears either of them but as a player, in terms of raw skill, narrate and invy clear.

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They have been better individually, but overall both KC and TS had a average season, compared to G2 where JonahP was very consistent against the best of the best

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tbf, if you watch Sideshows video on this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAwa7UVdRnQ&t=693s at 11:34, This is one reason why I don't think benjy should be that high on your list

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is it a hot take that i think yetujey is the best player on fut?

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I think its reasonable considering cNeds ups and downs, and he definetly had the highest highs on the team, so they could be scary next year

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to rank kangkang under meteor and alfa and aspas is INSANE

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why zekken is under benji come on?

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this is the ranking of players he likes in order

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come on man...zekken is the only duelist who can show his fucking muscle to KANGKANG in this champ.For the stats of all kangkang is the first and zekken is the second...come on man...

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well i suppose zekken in at least top3 comparing with t3xture and holy KANGKANG ,come on his stats is crazy and a master+a 4th of champ...The gap is not so obvious,not even to metion zekken got GEN shitted twice

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THAT WAS MY POINT

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nah bro the list is the most SHIT

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SEN had a solid slump in the middle part of the season and in Stage 2 beat teams everyone would expect them to beat and lost against 100T and G2 pretty badly, so even though there were some high highs from Zekken there were also some low lows, while Heretics only crumbled at Madrid, other than that they have shown unreal consistency

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but 1 champs>>>2 runner-up is just the truth.In this champ the top 4 could be almost the same rating.You see what aspas and miniboo behaved to KANGKANG and what zekken did

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Champs is the most important tournament, but its the ranking for the year and over the course of the entire season, Aspas produced more insane performances and was unplayable basically the entire season with their only bad loss being against C9 + we cant talk like that in terms of H2H duels since they only played once and you can say that a different player who had a one off series is someones ,,kryptonite"

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why a duelist without trophy is TOP2
Madrid Shanghai Where is him before the second stage
if KANGKANG lower than TOP5
he should move to TOP15 or anywhere

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I think for Madrid i can give him a pass since they lost to the Winners of the tournament and against the best LOUD we have seen this season, when everyone thought they were still gonna be dominant
For Shanghai it was underwhelming for the whole team, but if it wasnt for Aspas they dont even make Shanghai
It has been unreal to see the level of play from Aspas this season considering the lack of consistency from LEV

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The biggest difference between Kangkang and Aspas
Aspas doesn't rely on team performance because he bring the team, either hardcarry his mediocre teammates or stay on top. Well, 20% sh*t moment can happen but usually he is GOAT.
If other EDG players are perform, then Kangkang will perform even better than anyone in the team, and outclass all duelist players including Aspas. Only team like EDG who can release Kangkang's true value

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If i did more than 5 hm i definetly would have put him there, its unfortunate that DRX didnt do more this season

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This season ASPAS can't be no. 2
Masters madrid - Dnq
Masters Shangai - 10th
Champs Seoul - 3rd but not that good of performance by aspas

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If it was just by achievements he would not be in the upper echelon of the list, but just by his incredible level of consistency i think he deserved that spot and even though he had like 2 bad maps when it mattered most, than doesnt mean he wasnt stellar for the whole season

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Okk, within region Life, kai had a consistent performance too.

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Yes they did, but its very different playing in China vs Americas, where Aspas was the best ranked for both Stage 1 and 2

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My only problem is Alfa’s high ranking, compared to someone like Benjy or Zekken, he was really bad during Kickoff unlike those 2 who were consistently good for the whole year, and especially Benjy who legit got them to the Shanghai’s grand finals with Wo0t, this list seems very unbalanced to Alfa, ofc Benjy had a lackluster champs performance tho. But Zekken was also consistently the best player in Sentinels, which propelled them to win a trophy, barely miss Shanghai, and get top 4, which I think both deserve higher than Alfa in that regard

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The problem is Alfa only played 2 games at Kickoff, where he was only underwhelming against KC as did the whole of FNC, other than that he has been pretty consistent
For Zekken it was mainly SENs slump in middle part of the season where they lost to EG and LOUD who werent that good, and only beat the teams they should have beaten in STAGE 2, while losing to G2 and 100T pretty badly, but still 7th is a very good position for him

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Loud who weren’t that good? Maybe EG yes but that was a choke from 10-2, that’s just. Mental boom at that point. Loud denied 100T to win in Spilt 2, and in Spilt 1 Loud crushed G2 which went on to get 2nd place (100T 1st). Also the fact that G2 and 100T loss were because of a shitty ahh comp, you can tell Zekken wasn’t comfortable. What I’m saying there isn’t enough to justify Alfa being 4th over Zekken, and Benjy as well, which you did not reply to
Edit: I would also like to mention the fact that KRU which SEN crushed was 3rd seed overall in AMER. And beat games over BLG, and had close games over FNC and DRX.

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Yes KRU was overall solid this season, but SEN should beat them 9/10 times, especially since KRU was lackluster in Stage 2
LOUD wasnt bad, but they were on the decline and i think that that game against G2 wasnt that tryhard from G2 considering they were going into playoffs and only needed a certain amount of rounds, so they probably saved some strats
And the whole problem for SEN since Madrid was the choking, against EG and against EDG, which is a game they should have won after getting 6 defense rounds on Lotus

Even with the terrible comps, they didnt play them to troll, they thought they were good and got read and humiliated, and had to hope that LEV would win in order to go to Champs, where they did show better play

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KRU was lackluster enough to qualify for Chanpions though 💀. Still you reinforce this idea of SEN choking and having these problems with comps. Which is the teams fault not Zekkens fault. So it shouldn’t count against him, he can’t always 1v5. Still why does this justify Alfa being above Zekken and why aren’t we talking about Benjy? Also results may not show it, but Zekken was consistently the best player for most of this year when they lost expect for like 3 games or around that number for Sentinels.
And looking back at games SEN won, Zekken was almost guaranteed to be at the very top. Compared to Alfa where it could be Derke or Chronicle etc.

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Im not saying KRU was shit, but they were underwhelming and if it wasnt for combining both stages results they wouldnt have been in playoffs, and werent good enough overall this season to be considered in the upper echelon of teams for 2024
Comps of course are the teams problem, but since VAL isnt a single player game, everything matters, LEV also had team issues, but Aspas was mostly unplayable, while Zekken had some signs of burnout, which also counts

As i already said Alfa was really solid considering the fact that his team was falling apart, and while Zekken had higher highs than Alfa this season he did experience some lows - still Zekken at 7th is amazing considering the lack of results last season was the reason for me excluding him from the list in 2023
With Benjy, the team showed unreal consistency, which he was a major part of, so that cannot be excluded, and apart from Madrid and Stage 2 (3rd) reached every single grand final available to them

Zekken was also the one who was set up for success and with his play it would have been weird if he couldnt have capitalized off that, while Alfa isnt the one who should get all of the kills

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I think I am just very confused how you are setting this up, because if there is 2023 mixed in to this I can understand some of it. But still you would think in a 2024 ranking, people who had MORE impact to more successful team would be ranked higher than a guy who is on and off in a less successful team in the year of 2024 . That’s why I think Benjy And Zekken should be over Alfa personally ofc

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Alfa did not have the international success expected from FNC, but they were still very good at EMEA and that still counts, he played at a level high enough that you can consider him in that position, since consistency is rare in VAL and playing at a top 10 level more or less for the entire season despite the problems is FNC is for me bigger achievement than the players under him have achieved either having only 1 stellar tournament or playing good, but not insane

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But that’s the problem he was very on or off to a top 10 level performance, and at the start of the year he was incredibly inconsistent regionally and internationals especially in the beginning of the year and Spilt 1, and still has these inconsistencies, but struggling against teams like M8 and KOI is a big problem . I think your putting to much emphasize in his role and 2023 play where he was def top 3 ITW or even the best. Unfortunately he was not as consistent as you think

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Struggling is a big word considering he was +4 and +7 against the worst teams of the season basically so he didnt need to do much and his worst rating was 1.08 in stage 1 which is still very solid
He didnt have the highs he reached last year, but it was unreal to see that this year considering the situation in FNC, and yet they managed to with both Stages of EMEA which is still a solid achievement considering its not terrible in terms of competition
And at the end of the day its only 2 players beetwen Alfa and Zekken which is okay, its not like i put Zekken 15th

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Lots of debate around Aspas vs Zmjjkk recently, I'll add my thoughts. I think Kk was the better duelist this year for his team only because of the Champs run. They're quite close otherwise.

Both players dominated regionally.
Aspas didn't make Madrid. Kk did and had a very high ACS despite his team underperforming.
LEV underperformed in Shanghai but Aspas played very well aside from the FUT match. Kk tried to shoot back but his team completely flopped.
Champs made the choice clear in my mind. Kk put his life on the line every game. He was almost never the last person alive. He tried every map to get opening kills. Kk had 52 opening attempts in the Grand Final and Aspas had 22 opening attempts in the Lower Final. Aspas's passive playstyle was exposed at Champs.

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I would say the main reason for having Aspas above KangKang is the difference in competitiveness at their regions
Aspas was basically flawless in Americas after Kickoff, and its unfortunate that LEV had a problem with choking in some crucial situations, so i hope that wont be the case in 2025

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Last year nobody thought i made a good list so its very funny that theres actually some people that agree with the list this year

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not bad list, not the worst

keznit. idc, this guy is the best duelist itw. criminal he hasn't been picked up by a better team yet.
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4/5. aspas/kangkang - coinflip, aspas more self sufficient, kangkang better in a super aggressive team like edg

alfajer
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beyond top 10 no point really ordering

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Keznit is very good but, he has the same problem Zekken had in the past - his team is not good enough to follow him
Chichoo is not top 10, since he only had 1 solid tournament, the rest was average

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I mean you probably know much more about Chinese Season than me, but with seeing that they bombed out of Madrid and Shanghai and with the Chinese region not having that many good teams i would say that anything other than Champs doesnt really move the needle for me when it comes to EDG
KangKang always gets the stats and was in top 5 in terms of statistics for the ENTIRE Champs so i would say he deserves his spot, while Chichoo stepped up where it was needed so they would be able to overcome some tough matches, but other than that there isnt anything else i would seriously but into the conversation

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One thing that I was happy about was how consistantly good Tenz was. He only got better throughout the entire season.

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He was much better, considering he finally had a consistent role, which helped him abnormally
Excited to see what can they do next year to level up

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He did experience a slight regression, but i think considering the problems FNC had gone through this season, he played good enough to still be this high up the list

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When did TenZ fall off exactly? LMAO He had 1.12 rating for the regular season, that's like the 3rd best among all Americas players lol. Even when they lost, TenZ was holding down his end of the bargain and everyone knows how hard it is to perform on flex role when your team is shitting the bed. You basically have to retake all the time cz SEN had horrible defense which tanks stats even further. This is one example.
I have problems with many other rankings too tbh. The names on the list seem fine but the ranking is ludicrous and the justification for them are just plain lies at times.

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I genuinely think MiniBoo deserves to be on this list ATLEAST as a honorable mention. He was soo vital for heretics in the start of the year and had top 5 stats in madrid despite bombing out. His slump is understandable due to mental health issues but he was so much better than eeiu, f0rsaken, d4v4i, cned IMO

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He was definetly in consideration to honorable mentions, but with him missing Shanghai, and having clear downs in performance and with TH already having 3 players in Top 20 i thought it would be better to mentions players on other teams and players who had better performances more consistently

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Smoggy was important do doubt, but i dont believe he could have stepped up the way chichoo did in those situations which netted him a spot on the list in the first since he was somewhat average for the whole season, so i was very suprised to see that performance from him

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A list id make if i was brain dead

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Yes he didnt win a trophy, but over the course of the year he showed unreal consistency and produced insane ratings

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If you value all 2024 games equally then maybe it’s a reasonable list. But imo some games just matter a lot more and the weights are higher. For example aspas did all good consistently throughout the year but underperformed at the 2 maps where matters most, this should drag his rating by a ton. And when kk did not do so good(still above average) in masters, he dominates the most important finals of the year which should not be valued equally to a, say regional loser’s finals.

Just my 2 cents, again if you value all games equally and negelect the mental pressure/big stage stellar performance on important games, then it’s a valid list.

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Its true Aspas had 2 bad maps against EDG and Heretics, but those are only 2 maps i can remember where he hasnt turned up, otherwise he was unplayable, you can say the same for a lot of other players, so i wouldnt really value that argument in that way
These kind of lists are about consistency and highs, so since Aspas had boths basically for all of the season i think he deserves his spot even with a lack of an international trophy

Last year i put Less 2nd and nobody disagreed against that even though he didnt win an international trophy

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This year is filled with really good players tbh
Its really hard to accurately rank them all so i wont even bother
But nobody, c0m should be at the very least in the honorable mention

Nobody suddenly becoming igl just before champs is an insane task
c0m flank often be lev winning con even if they down in numbers

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I mean thats the point to try and caluculate over the entire year the smallest gaps for players in order to have them in higher position, nobody said its gonna be 100% agrreable with

C0m and Nodoby are not even close to be considered top 20 of the year, since its not just success of the team that helps every single player to get in these kinds of rankings