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EuropeanEater

okay which region is best ?

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turkey
USA

rest is harder to tell

maybe eastern or brazil? idk. difficult to asses

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Turkey is not first 💀

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Turkey that high even if they didn't dominate last year ascention ?

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Turkey over USA is pure brainrot. Turkey cant win shit even in vcl,franchise, and gamechangers. pick a struggle. most overrated country of all time?

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Praying you didn't say that last part unironically.

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1.Turkey: Birlik
2.France: Revolution
3.Spain: Rising
4.East: Surge
5.MENA: Resilience
6.Portugal: Tempest
7.North: Polaris
8.DACH: Evolution
9.italy

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polaris above dach is criminal. also why is dach last?

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i forget italiy league fixed it

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I heard Italians complain about 1 team in the new system but isn't dsyre the only team thats good anyway? The only reason why its bad is that Italy as a region won't develop anymore

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0 pc gaming culture in italy

0 relevant italian valorant players, 0 relevant cs players

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basically irrelevant but the only other esport i’m familiar with there is one singular italian t1 rocket league player and he’s never made a lan

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Do Italia should be with east or Iberia ? Not really sure about it

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Congo1

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france is not second bro

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this is trash

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Who will spend time watching these boring tier2 online games

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idk, you watch your shit tier 2 region all year. It's probably similar to that.

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Still owns ur shit country

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reremus

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hahah tier 2 turkey shits on your region

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https://www.vlr.gg/348061/funplus-phoenix-vs-fut-esports-champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai-r1

Turkish shit fr

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Its alright man I know it hurts. 99% of your region got grouped in swiss stage at Shanghai and the one saving grace your shit region had couldn't buy a map win. GG go next. Maybe in the next afterlife you won't be in such a dog region and can proudly rep your team.

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Hahahaha dont be mad just bc you lost. 0 team country.

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reremus

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Your region is quite literally a meme, and that's all they're known for. Just don't be mad after your region gets grouped again.

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Ur shit, u can never change that

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ngl he kinda owned you with the fut-fpx link bro

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reremus

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dont care, FUT made it farther than all the shitnese teams

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but in the head 2 head this year china is winning 1-0

also with context you will see that fpx tied on rounds with heretics and was a pistol round off of beating gen g

fpx went 1-2 but the losses were against the 1st and 2nd best teams in shanghai

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legit

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reremus

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No they are not, if anything they are tied. I just didn't post this earlier because it doesn't mean anything. This isn't a FUT esports vs FPX/DRG argument, its a Turkey vs China argument.

https://www.vlr.gg/348460/dragon-ranger-gaming-vs-fut-esports-champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai-r2

continue thread →

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A good tier 1 often comes from a good tier 2 .

You are the product of your environment, remember that.

I dont glaze and push for more development on vcj players for nothing man

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cloudberry

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NA
Japan
Türkiye: Birlik
Thailand
Spain: Rising

(in my opinion)

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japan lol

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Yeah, Japan

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just say im weeb and dont comment brother

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cloudberry

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???

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japanese players arent anything special (except for some specific cases) but jp league have the strongest imports itw tbh

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Brother I'm almost triggered and was abt to say 3 paragraphs of essays on why you are wrong , but you're right😭 , jp tier 1 is in tatters right now that some flashy plays in vcj clouds my judgement lol.

Also I would add concentrations of high quality imports itw in a single region would severely clouds judgement on its local players.

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fennel and other teams definitely have some huge jp talent but the issue rn is that there is also some huge imports they play against that might make them seem worse than they are

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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I've been saying that for some time now and people treated me like heretic lol

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They have money bro XD

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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Tbh sometimes I wish the orgs just be a tad bit poorer 😭

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japan is mid. they only look good because they have flashy players

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cloudberry

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I disagree, but I get why you'd think that

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you could make an argument for them being top 2 in apac, but ion think they are close to top 2 itw

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cloudberry

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Would you say Thailand is the other top 2 in Pacific? Or would it be Korea

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yeah thailand imo looks solid. korea idk they look around the same as japan. either way we would know at ascension. who knows maybe a japan team will win, and i also wont be surprised if the regions i mentioned rn dont win either.

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cloudberry

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That makes sense

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It's NA and it's not close. They produced a masters-winning IGL, and their ascension team made it to the top 3 in a masters.

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my guy, turkish league produced: alfajer, woot, riens, yetujey, mrfallin, qraxx, atakaptan, elite, qutionerX, hiro and many more ready and waiting.

and fut is essentially the original ascension team and they made it nearly as far as G2 and mad champs playoffs last year.

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StutterSt3p

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Ok and? NA has produced just as many if not more great players than Turkey and the best FUT ever placed was top 8.

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can you name me those players then?

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Couting Players from 2022 also:
johnqt, valyn, trent, jawgemo, boostio, tex, zekken, cryo, OXY, Runi, eeiu, Demon1, s0m, Ethan, sayaplayer

Good players but maybe not great: moose, supamen, nature, jakee, derrek, jonahp, apoth, Rossy

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the players in vcl turkey in 2024 are better than the players in vcl usa in 2024. if we let the top 4 teams between regions compete against each other turkey wins more matches than they lose.

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StutterSt3p

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This is just your opinion and a guess lol. Results prove it's NA, and you can't argue that.

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Shuaaaa

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Semantics ik but I'm pretty sure Jakee came up thru collegiate, not Challengers. This is his first season on a Challengers team.

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StutterSt3p

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He was on NSIC for challengers qualifiers but didn't make it. Idk if that counts, but I feel like was definitely considered a T2 player at the time.

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Some players that got into T1 are: johnqt, eeiu, valyn, trent, jonahp, tex, supamen, oxy, NaturE, N4RRATE, Rossy, Govenor, moose, vanity. (I will admit some of these players didn't perform the best but they still were contenders in T1).
I'm not saying that NA or turkey is better, and I will admit that Turkey has been outstanding, but NA has produced so much talent in T2 and you can't deny that so many of the current T2 NA players are outstanding and are going to get picked up for T1.

I'm just saying both regions have made talent and that it is really close

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This list is just from 2023 and most of them r better than the BBL players u mentioned

oxy, jonahp, valyn, trent, eeiu, johnqt, n4rrate, tex, zander, rossy, supamen, verno etc.

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watch g2 not making champs playoffs lol. and oh right... fut has the opportunity to send them home! perfect setup!

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StutterSt3p

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FUT is not sending home G2 lmao

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Congo1

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oh im gonna enjoy this event

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StutterSt3p

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I will too, lots of good matchups.

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NA
Türkiye
France
Brazil
Japan
Philippines
Spain
MY & SG
DACH
LATAM

(I recon I haven't watched much APAC tier 2)

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NA by far then Türkiye

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kpi

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destroylonely

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NA

large gap

turkiye

another gap

rest

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APAC(only league quality)

Japan - Top rank by far
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Thailand - They sell streaming right to shit platform, but I really like their stadium (better than the one used for the actual Ascension, which was also held in Thailand)
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Korea - There's no crowd at their LAN events, but the streaming quality and team quality are still better than the rest(There is final today, maybe change)
Indonesia - I rate them very close to Korea because of the crowd at LAN events
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MY/SG - should be lower, but bleed bring them this far
Vietnam - Even though they don't have a great talent pool, their teams and league production are great. (I watched their final last year, they had a nice crowd)
Philipines - The talent pool carries this region
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India - I watched some games, most players have contracts, and there are a lot of imported players
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TWHK/OCE - Their league doesn't look as strong as the top 8.

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Dattadri_sai

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bro said japan toprank 💀, why? cuz they get 2nd with trash Acension format with no lower bracket ? lol

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PP12123213123

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Who do you think is better than Japan? Bleed qualified, not because of the league's quality, but because of money. MY/SG still has UI problem and no offline event (I watched every DSG game)

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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Brother, don't bother man, he just has a hateboner for japan

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Dattadri_sai

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ur name say it all lmao fcking cringe myself bcuz if it 😂

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Dattadri_sai

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thai indo clears in terms of player quality

and what the fuck are u talking about bleed win cuz of money💀

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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Sscary would have joined talon if it wasn't for bleed offering huge contracts to sscary

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Dattadri_sai

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so u just prove what i said ? he’s thai ? lmao sg/my also have a lot of solid player they still clears jp

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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What are you on bro? You asked why sscary joined bleed instead of talon and I gave you the reason.

Why are you so fixated on japan staying shit as if there was never an improvement on its tier 2?

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Dattadri_sai

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why are u so mad about lol i just sayinf fact, thai/indo/my/sg clears

go cry if u not agree lmao

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PP12123213123

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They fking paid million to sScary while most of the team in the scene doesn't have contract and i said at the first line that only league quality

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Dattadri_sai

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bro is mad and agreed with what i said in the same time 💀

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PP12123213123

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What am i agreed with you? Japan still the best league, and bleed won because of money not the league structure

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Dattadri_sai

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maybe learn how to read, i said thai/indo/my/sg clears jp

and u said scarry ? he’s thai ? the fuck

Juicy alone clears japan, lets see where’s japan team endup this year ancension with huge advantage 😂, lets see where they end up

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BONK got close against BLD last year, but im worry for JFT this year after iso nerf

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PP12123213123

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India is still better in terms of league quality, with imported coaches and players, and most teams having a camp. However, I placed India low because they haven't won any games in tier 2

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India definitely has higher league quality but the actual player team quality isnt really there

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