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-Artorias [#3]1.Turkey: Birlik
2.France: Revolution
3.Spain: Rising
4.East: Surge
5.MENA: Resilience
6.Portugal: Tempest
7.North: Polaris
8.DACH: Evolution
9.italy
polaris above dach is criminal. also why is dach last?
Ballsamolee [#5]polaris above dach is criminal. also why is dach last?
i forget italiy league fixed it
-Artorias [#6]i forget italiy league fixed it
I heard Italians complain about 1 team in the new system but isn't dsyre the only team thats good anyway? The only reason why its bad is that Italy as a region won't develop anymore
Galactc [#7]I heard Italians complain about 1 team in the new system but isn't dsyre the only team thats good anyway? The only reason why its bad is that Italy as a region won't develop anymore
0 pc gaming culture in italy
0 relevant italian valorant players, 0 relevant cs players
ccccc_ [#9]Who will spend time watching these boring tier2 online games
idk, you watch your shit tier 2 region all year. It's probably similar to that.
reremus [#11]idk, you watch your shit tier 2 region all year. It's probably similar to that.
Still owns ur shit country
-Artorias [#3]1.Turkey: Birlik
2.France: Revolution
3.Spain: Rising
4.East: Surge
5.MENA: Resilience
6.Portugal: Tempest
7.North: Polaris
8.DACH: Evolution
9.italy
france is not second bro
StutterSt3p [#13]It's NA and it's not close. They produced a masters-winning IGL, and their ascension team made it to the top 3 in a masters.
my guy, turkish league produced: alfajer, woot, riens, yetujey, mrfallin, qraxx, atakaptan, elite, qutionerX, hiro and many more ready and waiting.
and fut is essentially the original ascension team and they made it nearly as far as G2 and mad champs playoffs last year.
reremus [#14]hahah tier 2 turkey shits on your region
https://www.vlr.gg/348061/funplus-phoenix-vs-fut-esports-champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai-r1
Turkish shit fr
Congo1 [#16]my guy, turkish league produced: alfajer, woot, riens, yetujey, mrfallin, qraxx, atakaptan, elite, qutionerX, hiro and many more ready and waiting.
and fut is essentially the original ascension team and they made it nearly as far as G2 and mad champs playoffs last year.
Ok and? NA has produced just as many if not more great players than Turkey and the best FUT ever placed was top 8.
StutterSt3p [#19]Ok and? NA has produced just as many if not more great players than Turkey and the best FUT ever placed was top 8.
can you name me those players then?
ccccc_ [#17]https://www.vlr.gg/348061/funplus-phoenix-vs-fut-esports-champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai-r1
Turkish shit fr
Its alright man I know it hurts. 99% of your region got grouped in swiss stage at Shanghai and the one saving grace your shit region had couldn't buy a map win. GG go next. Maybe in the next afterlife you won't be in such a dog region and can proudly rep your team.
reremus [#22]Its alright man I know it hurts. 99% of your region got grouped in swiss stage at Shanghai and the one saving grace your shit region had couldn't buy a map win. GG go next. Maybe in the next afterlife you won't be in such a dog region and can proudly rep your team.
Hahahaha dont be mad just bc you lost. 0 team country.
ccccc_ [#23]Hahahaha dont be mad just bc you lost. 0 team country.
Your region is quite literally a meme, and that's all they're known for. Just don't be mad after your region gets grouped again.
reremus [#24]Your region is quite literally a meme, and that's all they're known for. Just don't be mad after your region gets grouped again.
Ur shit, u can never change that
StutterSt3p [#19]Ok and? NA has produced just as many if not more great players than Turkey and the best FUT ever placed was top 8.
watch g2 not making champs playoffs lol. and oh right... fut has the opportunity to send them home! perfect setup!
Selfim [#21]can you name me those players then?
Couting Players from 2022 also:
johnqt, valyn, trent, jawgemo, boostio, tex, zekken, cryo, OXY, Runi, eeiu, Demon1, s0m, Ethan, sayaplayer
Good players but maybe not great: moose, supamen, nature, jakee, derrek, jonahp, apoth, Rossy
Congo1 [#26]watch g2 not making champs playoffs lol. and oh right... fut has the opportunity to send them home! perfect setup!
FUT is not sending home G2 lmao
Selfim [#21]can you name me those players then?
Some players that got into T1 are: johnqt, eeiu, valyn, trent, jonahp, tex, supamen, oxy, NaturE, N4RRATE, Rossy, Govenor, moose, vanity. (I will admit some of these players didn't perform the best but they still were contenders in T1).
I'm not saying that NA or turkey is better, and I will admit that Turkey has been outstanding, but NA has produced so much talent in T2 and you can't deny that so many of the current T2 NA players are outstanding and are going to get picked up for T1.
I'm just saying both regions have made talent and that it is really close
Selfim [#21]can you name me those players then?
This list is just from 2023 and most of them r better than the BBL players u mentioned
oxy, jonahp, valyn, trent, eeiu, johnqt, n4rrate, tex, zander, rossy, supamen, verno etc.
StutterSt3p [#29]Couting Players from 2022 also:
johnqt, valyn, trent, jawgemo, boostio, tex, zekken, cryo, OXY, Runi, eeiu, Demon1, s0m, Ethan, sayaplayerGood players but maybe not great: moose, supamen, nature, jakee, derrek, jonahp, apoth, Rossy
the players in vcl turkey in 2024 are better than the players in vcl usa in 2024. if we let the top 4 teams between regions compete against each other turkey wins more matches than they lose.
Congo1 [#33]the players in vcl turkey in 2024 are better than the players in vcl usa in 2024. if we let the top 4 teams between regions compete against each other turkey wins more matches than they lose.
This is just your opinion and a guess lol. Results prove it's NA, and you can't argue that.
cloudberry [#10]
- NA
- Japan
- Türkiye: Birlik
- Thailand
- Spain: Rising
(in my opinion)
japan is mid. they only look good because they have flashy players
Ballsamolee [#39]japan is mid. they only look good because they have flashy players
I disagree, but I get why you'd think that
cloudberry [#40]I disagree, but I get why you'd think that
you could make an argument for them being top 2 in apac, but ion think they are close to top 2 itw
Ballsamolee [#41]you could make an argument for them being top 2 in apac, but ion think they are close to top 2 itw
Would you say Thailand is the other top 2 in Pacific? Or would it be Korea
-Artorias [#3]1.Turkey: Birlik
2.France: Revolution
3.Spain: Rising
4.East: Surge
5.MENA: Resilience
6.Portugal: Tempest
7.North: Polaris
8.DACH: Evolution
9.italy
this is trash
cloudberry [#42]Would you say Thailand is the other top 2 in Pacific? Or would it be Korea
yeah thailand imo looks solid. korea idk they look around the same as japan. either way we would know at ascension. who knows maybe a japan team will win, and i also wont be surprised if the regions i mentioned rn dont win either.
Ballsamolee [#44]yeah thailand imo looks solid. korea idk they look around the same as japan. either way we would know at ascension. who knows maybe a japan team will win, and i also wont be surprised if the regions i mentioned rn dont win either.
That makes sense
reremus [#22]Its alright man I know it hurts. 99% of your region got grouped in swiss stage at Shanghai and the one saving grace your shit region had couldn't buy a map win. GG go next. Maybe in the next afterlife you won't be in such a dog region and can proudly rep your team.
ngl he kinda owned you with the fut-fpx link bro
kanyefan4238173 [#46]ngl he kinda owned you with the fut-fpx link bro
dont care, FUT made it farther than all the shitnese teams
reremus [#47]dont care, FUT made it farther than all the shitnese teams
but in the head 2 head this year china is winning 1-0
also with context you will see that fpx tied on rounds with heretics and was a pistol round off of beating gen g
fpx went 1-2 but the losses were against the 1st and 2nd best teams in shanghai
laeDLaer [#18]japan lol
japanese players arent anything special (except for some specific cases) but jp league have the strongest imports itw tbh
Congo1 [#2]
- turkey
- USA
rest is harder to tell
maybe eastern or brazil? idk. difficult to asses
Turkey is not first 💀
chrlxz [#8]0 pc gaming culture in italy
0 relevant italian valorant players, 0 relevant cs players
basically irrelevant but the only other esport i’m familiar with there is one singular italian t1 rocket league player and he’s never made a lan
ccccc_ [#9]Who will spend time watching these boring tier2 online games
A good tier 1 often comes from a good tier 2 .
You are the product of your environment, remember that.
I dont glaze and push for more development on vcj players for nothing man
koromast [#49]japanese players arent anything special (except for some specific cases) but jp league have the strongest imports itw tbh
Brother I'm almost triggered and was abt to say 3 paragraphs of essays on why you are wrong , but you're right😭 , jp tier 1 is in tatters right now that some flashy plays in vcj clouds my judgement lol.
Also I would add concentrations of high quality imports itw in a single region would severely clouds judgement on its local players.
Congo1 [#2]
- turkey
- USA
rest is harder to tell
maybe eastern or brazil? idk. difficult to asses
Turkey that high even if they didn't dominate last year ascention ?
APAC(only league quality)
- Japan - Top rank by far
.
. - Thailand - They sell streaming right to shit platform, but I really like their stadium (better than the one used for the actual Ascension, which was also held in Thailand)
. - Korea - There's no crowd at their LAN events, but the streaming quality and team quality are still better than the rest(There is final today, maybe change)
- Indonesia - I rate them very close to Korea because of the crowd at LAN events
. - MY/SG - should be lower, but bleed bring them this far
- Vietnam - Even though they don't have a great talent pool, their teams and league production are great. (I watched their final last year, they had a nice crowd)
- Philipines - The talent pool carries this region
. - India - I watched some games, most players have contracts, and there are a lot of imported players
. - TWHK/OCE - Their league doesn't look as strong as the top 8.
kanyefan4238173 [#48]but in the head 2 head this year china is winning 1-0
also with context you will see that fpx tied on rounds with heretics and was a pistol round off of beating gen g
fpx went 1-2 but the losses were against the 1st and 2nd best teams in shanghai
legit
PP12123213123 [#59]APAC(only league quality)
- Japan - Top rank by far
.
.- Thailand - They sell streaming right to shit platform, but I really like their stadium (better than the one used for the actual Ascension, which was also held in Thailand)
.- Korea - There's no crowd at their LAN events, but the streaming quality and team quality are still better than the rest(There is final today, maybe change)
- Indonesia - I rate them very close to Korea because of the crowd at LAN events
.- MY/SG - should be lower, but bleed bring them this far
- Vietnam - Even though they don't have a great talent pool, their teams and league production are great. (I watched their final last year, they had a nice crowd)
- Philipines - The talent pool carries this region
.- India - I watched some games, most players have contracts, and there are a lot of imported players
.- TWHK/OCE - Their league doesn't look as strong as the top 8.
bro said japan toprank 💀, why? cuz they get 2nd with trash Acension format with no lower bracket ? lol
Dattadri_sai [#61]bro said japan toprank 💀, why? cuz they get 2nd with trash Acension format with no lower bracket ? lol
Who do you think is better than Japan? Bleed qualified, not because of the league's quality, but because of money. MY/SG still has UI problem and no offline event (I watched every DSG game)
PP12123213123 [#62]Who do you think is better than Japan? Bleed qualified, not because of the league's quality, but because of money. MY/SG still has UI problem and no offline event (I watched every DSG game)
Brother, don't bother man, he just has a hateboner for japan
PP12123213123 [#62]Who do you think is better than Japan? Bleed qualified, not because of the league's quality, but because of money. MY/SG still has UI problem and no offline event (I watched every DSG game)
thai indo clears in terms of player quality
and what the fuck are u talking about bleed win cuz of money💀
Dattadri_sai [#64]thai indo clears in terms of player quality
and what the fuck are u talking about bleed win cuz of money💀
Sscary would have joined talon if it wasn't for bleed offering huge contracts to sscary
PP12123213123 [#59]APAC(only league quality)
- Japan - Top rank by far
.
.- Thailand - They sell streaming right to shit platform, but I really like their stadium (better than the one used for the actual Ascension, which was also held in Thailand)
.- Korea - There's no crowd at their LAN events, but the streaming quality and team quality are still better than the rest(There is final today, maybe change)
- Indonesia - I rate them very close to Korea because of the crowd at LAN events
.- MY/SG - should be lower, but bleed bring them this far
- Vietnam - Even though they don't have a great talent pool, their teams and league production are great. (I watched their final last year, they had a nice crowd)
- Philipines - The talent pool carries this region
.- India - I watched some games, most players have contracts, and there are a lot of imported players
.- TWHK/OCE - Their league doesn't look as strong as the top 8.
BONK got close against BLD last year, but im worry for JFT this year after iso nerf
IonlywatchvcjXD [#63]Brother, don't bother man, he just has a hateboner for japan
ur name say it all lmao fcking cringe myself bcuz if it 😂
IonlywatchvcjXD [#65]Sscary would have joined talon if it wasn't for bleed offering huge contracts to sscary
so u just prove what i said ? he’s thai ? lmao sg/my also have a lot of solid player they still clears jp
Dattadri_sai [#64]thai indo clears in terms of player quality
and what the fuck are u talking about bleed win cuz of money💀
They fking paid million to sScary while most of the team in the scene doesn't have contract and i said at the first line that only league quality
chrlxz [#8]0 pc gaming culture in italy
0 relevant italian valorant players, 0 relevant cs players
Do Italia should be with east or Iberia ? Not really sure about it
Dattadri_sai [#68]so u just prove what i said ? he’s thai ? lmao sg/my also have a lot of solid player they still clears jp
What are you on bro? You asked why sscary joined bleed instead of talon and I gave you the reason.
Why are you so fixated on japan staying shit as if there was never an improvement on its tier 2?
PP12123213123 [#69]They fking paid million to sScary while most of the team in the scene doesn't have contract and i said at the first line that only league quality
bro is mad and agreed with what i said in the same time 💀
IonlywatchvcjXD [#71]What are you on bro? You asked why sscary joined bleed instead of talon and I gave you the reason.
Why are you so fixated on japan staying shit as if there was never an improvement on its tier 2?
why are u so mad about lol i just sayinf fact, thai/indo/my/sg clears
go cry if u not agree lmao
lielahh [#66]BONK got close against BLD last year, but im worry for JFT this year after iso nerf
India is still better in terms of league quality, with imported coaches and players, and most teams having a camp. However, I placed India low because they haven't won any games in tier 2
PP12123213123 [#74]India is still better in terms of league quality, with imported coaches and players, and most teams having a camp. However, I placed India low because they haven't won any games in tier 2
India definitely has higher league quality but the actual player team quality isnt really there
Dattadri_sai [#72]bro is mad and agreed with what i said in the same time 💀
What am i agreed with you? Japan still the best league, and bleed won because of money not the league structure
PP12123213123 [#76]What am i agreed with you? Japan still the best league, and bleed won because of money not the league structure
maybe learn how to read, i said thai/indo/my/sg clears jp
and u said scarry ? he’s thai ? the fuck
Juicy alone clears japan, lets see where’s japan team endup this year ancension with huge advantage 😂, lets see where they end up
IonlywatchvcjXD [#55]Brother I'm almost triggered and was abt to say 3 paragraphs of essays on why you are wrong , but you're right😭 , jp tier 1 is in tatters right now that some flashy plays in vcj clouds my judgement lol.
Also I would add concentrations of high quality imports itw in a single region would severely clouds judgement on its local players.
fennel and other teams definitely have some huge jp talent but the issue rn is that there is also some huge imports they play against that might make them seem worse than they are
koromast [#78]fennel and other teams definitely have some huge jp talent but the issue rn is that there is also some huge imports they play against that might make them seem worse than they are
I've been saying that for some time now and people treated me like heretic lol
kanyefan4238173 [#48]but in the head 2 head this year china is winning 1-0
also with context you will see that fpx tied on rounds with heretics and was a pistol round off of beating gen g
fpx went 1-2 but the losses were against the 1st and 2nd best teams in shanghai
No they are not, if anything they are tied. I just didn't post this earlier because it doesn't mean anything. This isn't a FUT esports vs FPX/DRG argument, its a Turkey vs China argument.
reremus [#80]No they are not, if anything they are tied. I just didn't post this earlier because it doesn't mean anything. This isn't a FUT esports vs FPX/DRG argument, its a Turkey vs China argument.
Oh okay, who cares you’re 1-1. The argument is that tier 2 turkey is better than tier 1 china. Why are they tied then? Also don’t disrespect fpx, they beat your team (who isn’t bad) and nearly beat the 2 best in the world at the time
kanyefan4238173 [#81]Oh okay, who cares you’re 1-1. The argument is that tier 2 turkey is better than tier 1 china. Why are they tied then? Also don’t disrespect fpx, they beat your team (who isn’t bad) and nearly beat the 2 best in the world at the time
"Oh okay, who care you're 1-1." Yet you started off your last message with "but in the head 2 head this year china is winning 1-0"
It's ok though, I'll come back here after FUT clears EDG.
reremus [#83]"Oh okay, who care you're 1-1." Yet you started off your last message with "but in the head 2 head this year china is winning 1-0"
It's ok though, I'll come back here after FUT clears EDG.
ur just ignoring everything to shit on china. no point replying tbh
Congo1 [#2]
- turkey
- USA
rest is harder to tell
maybe eastern or brazil? idk. difficult to asses
Turkey over USA is pure brainrot. Turkey cant win shit even in vcl,franchise, and gamechangers. pick a struggle. most overrated country of all time?
kanyefan4238173 [#84]ur just ignoring everything to shit on china. no point replying tbh
bro hop off my meat, my original beef isn't even with you
OkOkay [#85]Turkey over USA is pure brainrot. Turkey cant win shit even in vcl,franchise, and gamechangers. pick a struggle. most overrated country of all time?
Praying you didn't say that last part unironically.
StutterSt3p [#29]Couting Players from 2022 also:
johnqt, valyn, trent, jawgemo, boostio, tex, zekken, cryo, OXY, Runi, eeiu, Demon1, s0m, Ethan, sayaplayerGood players but maybe not great: moose, supamen, nature, jakee, derrek, jonahp, apoth, Rossy
Semantics ik but I'm pretty sure Jakee came up thru collegiate, not Challengers. This is his first season on a Challengers team.
Shuaaaa [#88]Semantics ik but I'm pretty sure Jakee came up thru collegiate, not Challengers. This is his first season on a Challengers team.
He was on NSIC for challengers qualifiers but didn't make it. Idk if that counts, but I feel like was definitely considered a T2 player at the time.
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