NRG is already out by this point for sure
f0rsakeN
PRX
|
mindfreak
PRX
|
cgrs
PRX
|
Jinggg
PRX
|
d4v41
PRX
|
|
crashies
NRG
|
12
14
-2
|
5
4
+1
|
6
9
-3
|
7
10
-3
|
7
11
-4
|
Victor
NRG
|
6
10
-4
|
10
7
+3
|
7
8
-1
|
11
13
-2
|
13
9
+4
|
FiNESSE
NRG
|
11
12
-1
|
11
7
+4
|
8
10
-2
|
10
10
+0
|
13
10
+3
|
s0m
NRG
|
13
9
+4
|
12
7
+5
|
11
13
-2
|
18
9
+9
|
8
10
-2
|
ardiis
NRG
|
12
13
-1
|
12
11
+1
|
15
8
+7
|
6
9
-3
|
7
3
+4
|
f0rsakeN
PRX
|
mindfreak
PRX
|
cgrs
PRX
|
Jinggg
PRX
|
d4v41
PRX
|
|
crashies
NRG
|
1
5
-4
|
|
|
1
3
-2
|
1
1
+0
|
Victor
NRG
|
2
4
-2
|
1
0
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
2
2
+0
|
1
1
+0
|
FiNESSE
NRG
|
4
1
+3
|
2
0
+2
|
0
1
-1
|
3
1
+2
|
|
s0m
NRG
|
2
4
-2
|
1
0
+1
|
1
0
+1
|
3
2
+1
|
|
ardiis
NRG
|
3
2
+1
|
4
2
+2
|
2
3
-1
|
1
2
-1
|
0
1
-1
|
f0rsakeN
PRX
|
mindfreak
PRX
|
cgrs
PRX
|
Jinggg
PRX
|
d4v41
PRX
|
|
crashies
NRG
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
|
Victor
NRG
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
|
FiNESSE
NRG
|
|
|
|
|
|
s0m
NRG
|
0
2
-2
|
|
|
|
|
ardiis
NRG
|
2
0
+2
|
|
2
0
+2
|
|
1
0
+1
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
crashies
NRG
|
|
7
|
2
|
|
|
1
|
1
|
|
|
|
35
|
8
|
1
|
ardiis
NRG
|
|
12
|
2
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
65
|
0
|
2
|
Victor
NRG
|
|
6
|
3
|
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
49
|
5
|
2
|
FiNESSE
NRG
|
|
9
|
4
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
56
|
3
|
0
|
s0m
NRG
|
|
12
|
4
|
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
67
|
14
|
1
|
Jinggg
PRX
|
|
9
|
3
|
1
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
56
|
0
|
1
|
mindfreak
PRX
|
|
5
|
2
|
1
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
40
|
4
|
1
|
f0rsakeN
PRX
|
|
14
|
1
|
|
2
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
61
|
1
|
0
|
d4v41
PRX
|
|
8
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
42
|
2
|
5
|
cgrs
PRX
|
|
5
|
4
|
|
|
1
|
1
|
|
|
|
50
|
15
|
0
|
f0rsakeN
PRX
|
mindfreak
PRX
|
cgrs
PRX
|
Jinggg
PRX
|
d4v41
PRX
|
|
crashies
NRG
|
6
4
+2
|
0
2
-2
|
5
4
+1
|
4
4
+0
|
2
8
-6
|
Victor
NRG
|
1
4
-3
|
4
3
+1
|
3
4
-1
|
3
6
-3
|
3
3
+0
|
FiNESSE
NRG
|
6
5
+1
|
3
1
+2
|
1
5
-4
|
5
4
+1
|
5
4
+1
|
s0m
NRG
|
5
4
+1
|
5
1
+4
|
2
7
-5
|
8
2
+6
|
4
5
-1
|
ardiis
NRG
|
5
5
+0
|
4
5
-1
|
7
3
+4
|
0
6
-6
|
4
2
+2
|
f0rsakeN
PRX
|
mindfreak
PRX
|
cgrs
PRX
|
Jinggg
PRX
|
d4v41
PRX
|
|
crashies
NRG
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
1
0
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
Victor
NRG
|
0
2
-2
|
|
|
1
1
+0
|
|
FiNESSE
NRG
|
3
0
+3
|
|
|
1
0
+1
|
|
s0m
NRG
|
0
4
-4
|
|
|
2
1
+1
|
|
ardiis
NRG
|
1
1
+0
|
3
1
+2
|
1
1
+0
|
0
1
-1
|
0
1
-1
|
f0rsakeN
PRX
|
mindfreak
PRX
|
cgrs
PRX
|
Jinggg
PRX
|
d4v41
PRX
|
|
crashies
NRG
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
|
Victor
NRG
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
|
FiNESSE
NRG
|
|
|
|
|
|
s0m
NRG
|
0
2
-2
|
|
|
|
|
ardiis
NRG
|
1
0
+1
|
|
2
0
+2
|
|
1
0
+1
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
crashies
NRG
|
|
5
Round 6
Jinggg
d4v41
Round 9
cgrs
d4v41
Round 13
f0rsakeN
cgrs
Round 16
Jinggg
cgrs
Round 18
Jinggg
f0rsakeN
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
43
|
1
|
0
|
ardiis
NRG
|
|
4
Round 5
d4v41
mindfreak
Round 6
f0rsakeN
cgrs
Round 12
cgrs
d4v41
Round 23
d4v41
f0rsakeN
|
1
Round 2
cgrs
f0rsakeN
d4v41
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
53
|
0
|
1
|
Victor
NRG
|
|
|
1
Round 1
mindfreak
cgrs
Jinggg
|
|
|
1
Round 12
mindfreak
|
|
|
|
|
37
|
0
|
1
|
FiNESSE
NRG
|
|
3
Round 12
f0rsakeN
Jinggg
Round 17
d4v41
cgrs
Round 26
d4v41
Jinggg
|
2
Round 14
f0rsakeN
Jinggg
mindfreak
Round 19
f0rsakeN
d4v41
mindfreak
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
54
|
3
|
0
|
s0m
NRG
|
|
5
Round 2
Jinggg
mindfreak
Round 4
d4v41
f0rsakeN
Round 5
f0rsakeN
cgrs
Round 7
Jinggg
d4v41
Round 10
mindfreak
Jinggg
|
1
Round 27
d4v41
Jinggg
mindfreak
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
57
|
5
|
0
|
Jinggg
PRX
|
|
4
Round 3
FiNESSE
Victor
Round 10
Victor
crashies
Round 11
FiNESSE
s0m
Round 27
ardiis
crashies
|
2
Round 1
FiNESSE
crashies
Victor
Round 22
FiNESSE
Victor
ardiis
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
53
|
0
|
1
|
mindfreak
PRX
|
|
2
Round 15
ardiis
Victor
Round 17
s0m
ardiis
|
|
|
|
1
Round 7
Victor
|
|
|
|
|
35
|
3
|
1
|
f0rsakeN
PRX
|
|
6
Round 5
crashies
Victor
Round 16
ardiis
FiNESSE
Round 18
Victor
ardiis
Round 21
s0m
crashies
Round 22
s0m
crashies
Round 26
crashies
ardiis
|
|
|
|
1
Round 17
FiNESSE
|
|
|
|
|
52
|
0
|
0
|
d4v41
PRX
|
|
5
Round 3
crashies
s0m
Round 10
FiNESSE
s0m
Round 17
crashies
Victor
Round 25
s0m
Victor
Round 28
crashies
s0m
|
|
1
Round 24
FiNESSE
Victor
s0m
crashies
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
47
|
2
|
1
|
cgrs
PRX
|
|
2
Round 15
crashies
FiNESSE
Round 18
s0m
FiNESSE
|
3
Round 4
FiNESSE
crashies
s0m
Round 7
s0m
crashies
FiNESSE
Round 27
Victor
FiNESSE
s0m
|
|
|
1
Round 27
s0m
|
|
|
|
|
60
|
3
|
0
|
f0rsakeN
PRX
|
mindfreak
PRX
|
cgrs
PRX
|
Jinggg
PRX
|
d4v41
PRX
|
|
crashies
NRG
|
1
4
-3
|
|
0
2
-2
|
1
1
+0
|
3
1
+2
|
Victor
NRG
|
4
3
+1
|
5
1
+4
|
1
3
-2
|
3
3
+0
|
4
3
+1
|
FiNESSE
NRG
|
4
2
+2
|
5
2
+3
|
4
1
+3
|
3
4
-1
|
3
3
+0
|
s0m
NRG
|
5
1
+4
|
4
0
+4
|
4
4
+0
|
3
4
-1
|
2
1
+1
|
ardiis
NRG
|
3
2
+1
|
3
2
+1
|
6
2
+4
|
3
1
+2
|
3
1
+2
|
f0rsakeN
PRX
|
mindfreak
PRX
|
cgrs
PRX
|
Jinggg
PRX
|
d4v41
PRX
|
|
crashies
NRG
|
0
2
-2
|
|
|
|
|
Victor
NRG
|
2
2
+0
|
1
0
+1
|
|
|
|
FiNESSE
NRG
|
1
1
+0
|
2
0
+2
|
|
0
1
-1
|
|
s0m
NRG
|
1
0
+1
|
1
0
+1
|
1
0
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
|
ardiis
NRG
|
1
0
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
|
1
0
+1
|
|
f0rsakeN
PRX
|
mindfreak
PRX
|
cgrs
PRX
|
Jinggg
PRX
|
d4v41
PRX
|
|
crashies
NRG
|
|
|
|
|
|
Victor
NRG
|
|
|
|
|
|
FiNESSE
NRG
|
|
|
|
|
|
s0m
NRG
|
|
|
|
|
|
ardiis
NRG
|
|
|
|
|
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
crashies
NRG
|
|
1
Round 13
f0rsakeN
Jinggg
|
|
|
|
1
Round 2
d4v41
|
|
|
|
|
18
|
3
|
0
|
ardiis
NRG
|
|
4
Round 3
cgrs
mindfreak
Round 12
cgrs
d4v41
Round 15
f0rsakeN
cgrs
Round 18
cgrs
Jinggg
|
1
Round 1
Jinggg
d4v41
cgrs
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
85
|
0
|
1
|
Victor
NRG
|
|
3
Round 1
mindfreak
f0rsakeN
Round 8
f0rsakeN
Jinggg
Round 17
d4v41
cgrs
Victor
|
1
Round 19
f0rsakeN
Jinggg
mindfreak
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
63
|
4
|
0
|
FiNESSE
NRG
|
|
5
Round 2
cgrs
mindfreak
Round 4
Jinggg
d4v41
Round 8
mindfreak
d4v41
Round 10
mindfreak
f0rsakeN
Round 13
d4v41
cgrs
|
1
Round 12
mindfreak
f0rsakeN
Jinggg
|
1
Round 7
mindfreak
cgrs
Jinggg
f0rsakeN
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
66
|
0
|
0
|
s0m
NRG
|
|
4
Round 6
mindfreak
Jinggg
Round 10
cgrs
Jinggg
Round 14
d4v41
cgrs
Round 18
f0rsakeN
d4v41
|
2
Round 9
cgrs
f0rsakeN
mindfreak
Round 17
Jinggg
f0rsakeN
mindfreak
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
82
|
5
|
0
|
Jinggg
PRX
|
|
3
Round 11
s0m
Victor
Round 12
s0m
Victor
Round 16
crashies
s0m
|
1
Round 14
ardiis
FiNESSE
s0m
|
|
|
1
Round 14
s0m
|
|
|
|
|
62
|
0
|
0
|
mindfreak
PRX
|
|
|
1
Round 9
ardiis
FiNESSE
Victor
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
27
|
0
|
0
|
f0rsakeN
PRX
|
|
2
Round 6
crashies
Victor
Round 17
crashies
ardiis
|
|
|
1
Round 3
Victor
s0m
FiNESSE
crashies
ardiis
|
|
|
|
|
|
54
|
0
|
0
|
d4v41
PRX
|
|
2
Round 2
FiNESSE
Victor
Round 18
FiNESSE
crashies
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
32
|
0
|
2
|
cgrs
PRX
|
|
2
Round 6
ardiis
s0m
Round 19
Victor
s0m
|
1
Round 16
FiNESSE
ardiis
Victor
|
|
|
|
1
Round 17
s0m
Victor
|
|
|
|
50
|
5
|
0
|
f0rsakeN
PRX
|
mindfreak
PRX
|
cgrs
PRX
|
Jinggg
PRX
|
d4v41
PRX
|
|
crashies
NRG
|
5
6
-1
|
5
2
+3
|
1
3
-2
|
2
5
-3
|
2
2
+0
|
Victor
NRG
|
1
3
-2
|
1
3
-2
|
3
1
+2
|
5
4
+1
|
6
3
+3
|
FiNESSE
NRG
|
1
5
-4
|
3
4
-1
|
3
4
-1
|
2
2
+0
|
5
3
+2
|
s0m
NRG
|
3
4
-1
|
3
6
-3
|
5
2
+3
|
7
3
+4
|
2
4
-2
|
ardiis
NRG
|
4
6
-2
|
5
4
+1
|
2
3
-1
|
3
2
+1
|
0
0
|
f0rsakeN
PRX
|
mindfreak
PRX
|
cgrs
PRX
|
Jinggg
PRX
|
d4v41
PRX
|
|
crashies
NRG
|
1
2
-1
|
|
|
0
3
-3
|
1
0
+1
|
Victor
NRG
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
1
1
+0
|
1
1
+0
|
FiNESSE
NRG
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
2
0
+2
|
|
s0m
NRG
|
1
0
+1
|
|
|
1
0
+1
|
|
ardiis
NRG
|
1
1
+0
|
1
0
+1
|
1
2
-1
|
0
1
-1
|
0
0
|
f0rsakeN
PRX
|
mindfreak
PRX
|
cgrs
PRX
|
Jinggg
PRX
|
d4v41
PRX
|
|
crashies
NRG
|
|
|
|
|
|
Victor
NRG
|
|
|
|
|
|
FiNESSE
NRG
|
|
|
|
|
|
s0m
NRG
|
|
|
|
|
|
ardiis
NRG
|
1
0
+1
|
|
|
|
0
0
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
crashies
NRG
|
|
1
Round 1
f0rsakeN
cgrs
|
2
Round 2
d4v41
f0rsakeN
mindfreak
Round 11
d4v41
mindfreak
f0rsakeN
|
|
|
|
1
Round 11
f0rsakeN
mindfreak
|
|
|
|
43
|
4
|
1
|
ardiis
NRG
|
|
4
Round 4
cgrs
mindfreak
Round 5
mindfreak
f0rsakeN
Round 12
Jinggg
f0rsakeN
Round 23
mindfreak
Jinggg
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
57
|
0
|
0
|
Victor
NRG
|
|
3
Round 3
d4v41
f0rsakeN
Round 13
d4v41
mindfreak
Round 21
d4v41
cgrs
|
1
Round 8
Jinggg
cgrs
d4v41
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
47
|
1
|
1
|
FiNESSE
NRG
|
|
1
Round 5
d4v41
cgrs
|
1
Round 23
cgrs
d4v41
f0rsakeN
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47
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0
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0
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s0m
NRG
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3
Round 2
cgrs
Jinggg
Round 10
cgrs
d4v41
Round 13
Jinggg
cgrs
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1
Round 16
f0rsakeN
cgrs
mindfreak
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1
Round 10
mindfreak
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62
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4
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1
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Jinggg
PRX
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2
Round 1
ardiis
crashies
Round 17
crashies
s0m
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1
Round 6
s0m
crashies
FiNESSE
ardiis
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54
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0
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0
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mindfreak
PRX
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3
Round 13
FiNESSE
s0m
Round 15
s0m
ardiis
Round 24
ardiis
crashies
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1
Round 9
s0m
Victor
ardiis
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1
Round 10
Victor
FiNESSE
ardiis
s0m
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57
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1
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0
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f0rsakeN
PRX
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6
Round 11
FiNESSE
Victor
Round 14
ardiis
FiNESSE
Round 15
Victor
crashies
Round 18
s0m
ardiis
Round 19
crashies
s0m
Round 22
s0m
ardiis
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1
Round 7
ardiis
FiNESSE
crashies
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1
Round 4
Victor
FiNESSE
crashies
s0m
ardiis
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77
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1
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0
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d4v41
PRX
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1
Round 24
s0m
FiNESSE
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47
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0
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2
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cgrs
PRX
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1
Round 18
FiNESSE
crashies
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41
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7
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0
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NRG 2 - 1 PRX
Gloves are off, I don't think PRX deserve to win this event. If a single player is what they need to become the best in their region, it just brings into question the quality of everyone else. The Pacific league has some great players, but as a fan it just feels sad that this is what we have to show for: a handicapped team, an overhyped Korean team that never really was able to make it to the top, and T1 (which was alright for a first showing, I guess).
(oh yeah gimme the downvotes mmm slather it all over me)
I don't think PRX will win too, but I disagree that it brings into question the quality of everyone else. It doesn't, Something really gave that final push with his raw aim and calls to bring PRX, with 4 cracked and amazing players to the very top of Pacific. Everyone can see that he has a great impact on the team, but questioning the other players are just rude to them.
Also I don't think DRX is overhyped. True, they never really was able to make it to the top, but you can't deny that they were consistently good - getting 5/6th in masters 2022, 3/4th in champs 2022 and lock//in, and 8-1 in Pacific group stage.Their performance was definitely disappointing going in to Pacific playoffs and then Masters, but I think it's too early to call them overhyped.
Your comment feels so pessimistic, and it really looks like Pacific is that miserable compared to the other regions in Masters - top seed not playing with full capability, the supposed stronghold of DRX bombing out like this, and T1 not getting out of group stage. But it is what it is. Who expected EG to have such a deep run just because MIBR won against 100T? Who expected EDG could knock out Loud 2-0? Heck, who expected PRX could make it to top 4 with a sub?
I will admit that I was wrong about some statements about PRX - those were more in the spur of the moment comments - but it just feels frustrating to not see something in this international event. They could have been absolutely dominant in this event, but because of those visa issues we'll never really know what they could've achieved with their new roster. But Top 4 isn't bad at all!
Plus, this event has been nothing short of shocking and full of upsets, with EDG and EG having miraculous runs, that I was really rooting for EDG to win this. They really did have a chance at sending PRX home, and it was a shame that match turned out the way it did.
As for my DRX comment, yeah I still think they're pretty overhyped. As a Pacific fan, I never really liked how casters hyped them up as Pacific's top team - that would go to Paper Rex and their 2nd place finish at Masters Copenhagen. They have been consistent, but they have been to so many events in VCT you'd expect them to get the trophy eventually. It's super frustrating that I just want to see another Pacific team on the international stage other than DRX.
But I'm not entirely pessimistic. I'll be fully supporting the Pacific teams this Champions: if PRX can get something his visa, I think they can make a good run in Champions. And with DRX out of Masters Tokyo, they'll have time to fix a lot of the player issues they've had recently. And as for the last Pacific spot? Anyone but Gen.G, please. TS, Zeta, or Talon would be pretty interesting to see.
I would say DRX deserved it more than PRX, just because PRX either go high or low, there wasn't a consistent standing - until, I would say, something came. But now that PRX has shown to be consistently be above PRX this league, I agree that they are the ones to be at the top. Yep, agree with you on the last point, Gen.G, unless they can fix themselves, kinda don't deserve the last spot. TS looked to be just improving by leaps and bounds, RRQ as well. Talon with the ex-xerxia core and really great gameplay definitely has potential too. For Zeta, they felt like the DRX in Masters, too predictable, and losing gun duels. Hopefully they too, can sort themselves out, because I think they definitely grew on everyone since last year.
still man dont try to overlook past the fact that DRX were clearly having problems entering pacific playoffs. I understand its not an excuse but esports a lot of times is about form. Look at EG and EDG right now they are in insane form! Not calling them a fluke or anything but most of their players were just going crazy and that is form! DRX form was so bad even in pacific. I think that was the result of burnout. I can agree PRX has peaked higher than DRX but you cannot deny the fact that DRX is arguably still asia most consistent team. Some how I can respect DRX for still making it out groups while going through some issues. They tried their best at least.... PRX will never be considered a fluke anymore after this run especially but you cant deny that they have insane highs and lows. You never know when their next low could happen. PRX form was so good in pacific especially d4v41 after something addition. idk I think its unfair to call DRX overhyped at this point when this masters was probably their worst showing since 2021 champions... while u can make and argument that PRX is asias most decorated team there a a few narratives against them too. They havent gotten out of groups yet. Also their runs were at masters (with byes) not champions. Either way saying overhyped korean teams is unfair considering Team Secret is the definition of overhype man.
Its not about how subbed in its about. How much time they got to prepare together , do you think you can pick 5 best players of each role and make a team out of it do you think they will. Master without any practice just bcz they got good players ,
Its not about single player carrying whole region lamo
That was in Copenhagen which first of, was THE PRIME Paper Rex. But even that aside, if you think 1 game win is enough to make comparison then that's just foolish. Also I am saying that NRG will still win, not to underestimate Something but the effect of jet lag is not a joke. I know Paper Rex are a real deal if the unfortunate circumstance didn't occurred. Heck, I even had them to win this VCT Tokyo. All I am saying that NRG are just way too strong and prepared than them at this moment. And it will shows.
at that time, it looked like copenhagen's prx was at their prime. but now with something on the team and winning pacific with so much confident, its obvious prx with something is their prime now. jet lag wasnt a thing for something even if he manages to come to japan. korea japan and singapore was only 1 hour different so there is no way jet lag is a thing