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USA and UK get a lot of flak for racism

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#1
underdog_Supporter

I have noticed that these two countries get a lot of flak for racism because it is quite relevant and popular topic in news cycle here. People take it negatively but I feel like the fact that minorities have at least some voice is a lot better than other countries where this isn't a topic of discussion at all. Most of Europe is pretty racist, Argentina literally adopted Nazis, Indians are racist towards themselves etc.

My point isn't the these countries are better or worse but the fact that the topic of racism is so widely discussed in USA and UK is a merit to these countries. Also, most of the racism stems from alienation from outside world which is mostly rural USA. Compared to that, most of the countries in Europe and homogenous and there is a lot of racism there but it's so common that they are accepted as norm. Even look at Speed's China visit. They literally brought my bro a banana and also the Kpop stars were leaked to use the N word without any consequences. That just shows that those countries are not just racist but also it is so common that it isn't even an issue.

The only issue with USA and UK is that a lot of the "reforms" are just for the corporates to earn more money but other countries dont even have that

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Famous
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Racism in the UK, primarily Islamophobia is a very big thing, and has been for a long long time, it deserves to get flak for how the hardcore "Brexit" people are.

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detradidro1
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I've never heard of a place that's simultaneously racist yet ethnic minorities hold multiple positions of authority and power. East Asians are probably the least represented over there from what I can see but nobody talks about that.

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wiki
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your country literally banned minarets

#21
Famous
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Doesn't take from anything I said, which is indeed very true.

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no it absolutely does, as you're attempting to frame this is a problem specific to the UK and the US when the supposedly more liberal European countries have long had ingrained Islamophobia at a way higher level than anything in Britain, including the minaret ban that i mentioned which is just blatant Islamophobia passed by a popular vote in your country

poland shoots migrants at their border, france banned burkhinis on beaches, and the AfD is the biggest far-right party on the continent; but sure, it's the worst in the UK and the US 👍

and globally? i need not mention Uyghurs in China, BJP/RSS anti-Muslim violence in India, the Rohingya genocide in Myanmar.... which country has been the most steadfast supporter of an ethnocracy constantly spewing anti-Muslim propaganda (Israel)...? Germany. you're seriously trying to suggest that a couple thousand drunken British gammons are the worst of Islamophobia?

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Not once did I say other countries also don't have Islamophobia, nor do I approve of any country being Islamophobic for that matter, the original post title is "USA and UK get a lot of flak for racism" therefore I'm going to comment on said countries, so once again what you said doesn't take away from anything I said which is still true, regardless of how much of a tangent you go on.

#32
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i never claimed you said anything in your first sentence; the point is you're disagreeing with a post saying that US and UK are disproportionately attacked with regard to racism, so i'm just reinforcing the OPs point

#54
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I wanted to elaborate on a few points because while they are good examples, they lack some context. Regarding the Uyghurs in China, I don’t think the situation compares directly to France, Poland, or other examples. There’s a consistent theme of the Chinese government targeting anyone who disagrees with the CCP's ideology, rather than specifically targeting the Uyghurs for extermination or imprisonment. While this doesn’t make the situation better, it’s an important distinction to recognize.

Now, about France's recent election: they made a commendable decision by collaborating with the second and third biggest parties to prevent Marine Le Pen of the National Rally (formerly known as the National Front) from gaining a majority. Macron and other parties agreed to step down in districts where they were unlikely to win and vice versa. I believe that if she had been in power, her policies would have been significantly harsher on immigrants compared to Macron and others.

On the topic of burkinis, your assertion that "France banned them" is factually incorrect. The bans in Cannes, Nice, and Sisco were local government decisions, which were later challenged and repealed by courts for violating civil liberties, including freedom of movement and religious freedom. This outcome should be viewed positively because it illustrates that legal safeguards were effective against overreach by local governments. It doesn’t indicate a deep-rooted Islamophobia in France; rather, it reflects poor decisions by local officials that were appropriately rectified.

Regarding your claim that the AfD is the biggest far-right party in Europe, the measurement is key. The AfD has never ruled the parliament or been part of a coalition with power. In contrast, the PVV in the Netherlands has successfully formed a coalition government, which grants them much more influence. Similarly, Fratelli d’Italia (Brothers of Italy), led by Giorgia Meloni, is currently part of the ruling coalition, which also gives them more authority than a party without any seats at the table. Additionally, it’s worth noting that the AfD's leader was recently banned from standing in elections due to an embezzlement case. Many supporters seem to be more aligned with her personally than with the party itself, which could lead to a decline in the AfD's influence.

Lastly, I want to touch on the Swiss minaret ban. You provided an accurate overview, and it’s important to understand the context behind it. The controversy originated in 2005 when a local Turkish cultural association sought a permit to build a minaret on its community center. This was met with local opposition, leading to delays and claims of religious bias from the Turkish association. The initial opposition started locally but escalated to a national law that restricts religious expression. This contrasts with the situation in France, where the burkinis ban was ultimately overturned. Thank you for the discussion; I’ve learned a lot in the process!

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Well, they’re being invaded by muslims now..

#53
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It's interesting to note that 6.0% of the total population in the U.K. are followers of Islam, according to 2021 data (though these figures may have changed since then).

Even in my area, I see many people from this community. Given their significant population, one would expect a greater acceptance and integration of their culture, especially in contrast to a country like Japan, where the Muslim population is just 0.18% (based on 2020 statistics).

I'm honestly baffled by how clear these facts are, yet the opposite effect seems to occur. Instead of embracing and learning about their culture and ideologies, many people express a desire to exclude them. While I understand that this is not typically the most proactive approach in the U.K., it is still quite concerning to see how profoundly ignorant many people are regarding this issue.

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Unfortunately that's just how it goes when times are tough economically (relatively speaking)

Take your pick of any time in history in almost any country, there is usually a group scapegoated, just happens to be Muslims this time around.

#60
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I mean there's actually a great example of that happening in the U.S right now to be fair.

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USA people says N-word so often its now seen as a part of black culture, thats why maybe some other countries normalize this kinda behaviour towards you guys cause they dont know the shit behind it.

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Astar
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you'll be surprised by the amount of east asians that are racist towards other asians, the insults is not only about the skin color but also the economy lol

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Huyab
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I called it the 3 steps racist insults toward jungle asian... its

  • Your Skin color (dark = bad/poor)
  • Your country economy (poor)
  • Your cultures are seen as barbaric
#26
yuriito
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Even Thailand is racist towards other eastsouthern asian countries it´s crazy.

#31
Astar
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nah bro i barely seen thai that are racists otherwise their tourism industry wouldnt be as booming as it is now. the most racist southeast asian are usually malaysian and its always towards south asian cus lots of immigrants live there for work, singaporean sometimes towards mainland chinese

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oh i get it

A thai friend of mine said that the most unwelcoming asian countries are japan, china, south korea and thailand. But I guess she´s pretty clueless tbf. She doesnt know shit about politics

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asian racism in general is insane. you have the trifecta of china-korea-japan and then also indonesia/malaysia/the philippines aren't shy. i feel like singapore is the least racist asian country tbh

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singaporean usually only racist towards mainland chinese. the austronesian (indo/my/ph) are actually the most friendly but they fought a lot especially indo with malay, mostly its about cultural stuff or rivalry but never racism.

#48
1One1
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Japan is fine, but korean is racist

#49
Astar
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wait til you realize they normalize racial profiling in japan

#5
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you cannot change the old generation, teaching the next generation from the start will help

#35
lemondou
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The new gen, especially men are more racist than the old gen. You’re living under a rock

#40
Kaito_M8
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Younger people tend to be less racist in General, i beleive its the same everywhere for like 90% of the country around the world.

#41
lemondou
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False. Younger people are less likely to express it due to fear of judgement and many other reasons. Once they grow up to be more carefree, the bitterness would become very obvious and the cycle repeats. Obviously, imo

#43
archetype
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you can't just say something is false and then say it's your opinion 😭😭

#44
lemondou
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I can and I will 😜

#51
zappp
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everything you see online is not true

#52
lemondou
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You assumed that my opinion was based on what I read online.

#6
SleepingSnorlax
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I literally hate the N word that is used very casually now a days man people behave like it’s normal and I think it is also has to do with creators like Kai and Speed to normalise these words

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underdog_Supporter
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The rap culture going mainstream has helped black community a lot but it has also made the word very popular. I hear it everywhere now. The thought behind only them being able to use it is empowering but what am I supposed to do when I want to sing along?

#18
nobody___100
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ong, it’s annoying when i want to listen to hip hop but it’s filled with the N word

#7
R136a1
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90% of koreans saying the n-word is just them speaking their language that just happens to sound like the n-word, though. While the 10% do actually say em. But yea it is everywhere, the racism.

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underdog_Supporter
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Yeah, I know. Even Hindi, and Urdu has those words and they mean different things. I might have been baited by the kpop n word thing but you cannot deny the casual n word usage regardless.

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ya if someone says NA is as racist or more racist than EU they just have terminal brain damage

#11
ggd12345
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you think the kpop stars said the n word? this has to be bait. i bet 95% of koreans don't even know the n word

#16
Itsover
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ne ga/ni ga is not nword at all, it's just their language

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Ayaya0
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I reported you comment now mods will tell if they are the same words or not

#23
Prasinos
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Ah yes, vlr mods, the oracles of racism. Their social knowledge comes from decades of deep study. They're the ones who teach the Black community what's right and what's not. Not even Martin Luther King could stand a chance against their vast racial wisdom.

When u want to know what is racist, u don't ask sociologists, u ask vlr mods.
W comment.

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Ayaya0
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They seem to think they are two different words

#19
dobaridoyo
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smartest american

#29
ggd12345
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huh? why would random koreans know english slurs?

#38
archetype
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likewise there is a similar sounding phrase in Chinese, i believe it is na ge/nei ge

#15
babushka_boii95
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I dont understand racists. Youre mad because someone is a different colour than you?😭

#17
USCK
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Countries like America and UK have huge minority populations which is why it gets way more attention compared to a country like Poland which is almost exclusively white so the topic almost irrelevant in that country and the racism you mention isn’t even real racism because most of those people will almost never interact with different races in their lives and know no better than what they see American people do

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underdog_Supporter
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But when they do interact, they are pretty racist. Also in the past decade of globalization, if your first world country is mostly white, then you had policies to make sure of that. (I don't think they owe to others to enter and live in their country, but just something to consider)

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I think racism will never end in the world unless we make a radical change. It is used as a tool of managing people´s rage towards minorities to keep them distracted to the fact corporations exploit workers, pollute the environment, steal all the resources. Some people have billions without having to ever need to work their entire life.

And I think countries with multicultural background like USA, Brazil and UK have a lot of racism cases, but are nowhere near as close as white countries. Even East Asian countries I don´t understand: Japan, China and Korea want to be white so bad.

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The reason why racism is so emphasized in America is because of the history involved in America regarding race like America literally kidnapped people from their families and forced them into slavery. And the UK there was heavy imperialism as well which also involved racial ideologies as well.

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Bro thinks America is unique regarding slavery, its been around pretty much everywhere for centuries, look at any place in the world and it probably had slavery at some point.

And even if you just focus in on the trans-atlantic slave trade, the vast majority was directed towards South America (mostly brazil) and the Caribbean, North America was actually were it was the least widespread.

https://www.slavevoyages.org/blog/all-intro-maps

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lemondou
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Exactly. White Americans are the modern day scapegoats for everything

#50
Effluxi
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if only people could remember to clarify the rich part too people wouldn't seriously think they're being scapegoated

#56
underdog_Supporter
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Bingo

#39
Danny
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how the fuck is this thread still alive

doesn't this break the no politics rule like pretty clearly

#45
underdog_Supporter
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Because it is pretty civil without trolling.
Edit: Also, it is more of a social and cultural difference. I carefully framed it to avoid any political agenda

#42
k0ngch3tum4dr3
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I'd like to add that the perception of racism here in LATAM is very different to the one the US and UK have. Because here the discrimination wasn't based entirely on race but instead based on classes. People in LATAM are pretty classist with people in their own country, and are resentful with people from other countries.
The racism aspect is more present in the relationship with the native indigenous people, but this is very different from country to country.
Ngl it's kinda weird FOR ME when someone in my country talks about some people being 'privileged for being white' when no one is truly white in the way the English speaking world understand it.

#47
Memeri
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Groups who pretend to have moral superiority over others will get criticized more when their behavior demonstrates otherwise, yes. Americans and Europeans have spent centuries calling people from every other part of the world backwards, so it's only right that it now gets thrown back in their faces. Other countries get less flak for more racism because they're not the ones pretending to be enlightened LMAO, it's so obvious why are you even asking this basic ass question

#55
underdog_Supporter
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Europe? Brother, I wrote UK and USA, Europe doesn't get the flak as much as these two. I don't understand this comment at all

#59
orqn
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I always thought of the us and uk as racist in the way that they make their race their whole identity and the most important thing instead of talking about class or nationalities, which i find weird

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