does rito just hate their teams?

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SuperRoss

forcefully removing bleed from tier 1 is insane,
with the info available to us, anyone that thinks about this for longer than 5 mins should somewhat agree.

want to punish minor offenses such as "failure to comply with critical reporting requirements"?
peep at what other way more competent individuals have dealt with the same situation before you (ex. https://www.beinsports.com/en-us/soccer/premier-league/articles-video/everton-hit-with-another-points-deduction-2024-04-08).

this is just not the way to go,
in general a team's players shouldn't be punished for off-field misbehaving of the club, there's exceptions and this ain't one of them,
bleed's players are still under contract there and ain't nobody forcing bleed to sell.

rub two braincells together and you'll discover the only way to go here was some sort of points deduction, make sure that unless they pull off an insane season they go down.

on top of that this move is sudden, out of the blue, and not just to us,
you think bleed would've been negotiating with aspas knowing they wouldn't be in tier 1 next season?
surely they wouldn't have bothered if they were aware of the precarious position they were in, no?

i have nothing against boom and i can't wait to see them in tier 1 (do they deserve it? maybe, does that make me care any more? no)
and i never gave a shit about bleed either (were they by far the worst asian team last year? yes, does that matter? no).

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as of now, riot has already fucked over:
acend and in general tier 2 teams (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXG77L0782Q), every team in portugal and italy starting next year, the spot distribution for majors, gambit and all of cis, and now bleed
(you're welcome to point out more, i surely missed some)

for an association that "doesn't take the removal of teams from its ecosystem lightly" that's a pretty long list for a 3 year period.

i give this decision a 1/9, low quality bait by rito

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did u try to compare bleed to Everton?

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SuperRoss

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What? No

how is that your only takeaway from this?

I would've picked a bigger team than everton if i had to

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Riot removing Bleed was a W move, I know everyone wanna be the person to shit on Riot and engagement farm

Bleed was likely removed for other things too, rumored to negotiate with aspas before going to LEV

Also, as for the EMEA tier 2 stuff, it makes sense, I feel like people nitpick so much here, if you can't comprehend the reasoning behind the removal of CIS, Gambit, and Bleed you're just being a contrarian.

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Oh you think this is nitpicking?
you are NOT ready for nitpicking.

-2/8 go bait somewhere else buffoon

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it is youre just a loser

either watch or dont watch the product you dont gotta shill for gamers, nobody is gonna die because riot kicked bleed for breaching contracts

thats how things work, you breach a agreement and you break it, stop crying

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Again, go bait somewhere else

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comparing esports or to a football org is the worst comparison. For starters, we don't even know the details. Just gotta wait until we have more info

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People just want any excuse they can get to complain that Riot doesn't personally fund tier 2 itself, and like to pretend the tier 2 scene was this flourishing scene before franchising when in reality tier 2 in most of the EMEA VRLs has developed since the ascension format lol

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As i said, based on what we know

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well not paying people aint cool and thats all ik. and ik that rito is doing a good job even thought we complain. it at least holds the teams accountable to a certain quality standard for the players.

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And I might drink a little more than I should tonight
And I might take u home with me if I could tonight
And baby imma make u feel so good tonight

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We need to know the detail, it can be both a good or a bad decision depending on the reason of the decision, I think it was taken recently because the timing is really weird, it's sad they didnt given us more info, but if this just have been taken then it's ok they take time to write why

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Timing could've been worse, at lest it's not mid season.

And as i said already this is based on what little we know

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Yes yes definitely blud knows better than a multi million dollar organisation about what to do in such situations and knows all the details that may have happened behind the scenes and their severity to say this.

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SuperRoss

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Have you even read my post?

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Even bleed know they are wrong lmao, wtf did u talking about

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Where did i say they were right?

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how do you know it's a 'minor offence'

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SuperRoss

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What riot described is a minor offense

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do you know what the word 'critical' means ?

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SuperRoss

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Not enough, clearly

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If its minor its easy to fix right?

Then why does Bleed who are in constant communication with riot fails to fix it for months??

https://x.com/ggBleed/status/1842072388122640733?t=HpwCQiAtOWavYUHJVO_TGg&s=19

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SuperRoss

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Didn't read this, don't have twitter.

Still does not warrant nor justifies the actions riot has taken

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IHaveAnswers

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https://ibb.co/qsnHzcM

Basically they said they are disappointed but agree with riot decision. Communication with riot was throughout but there were problems and they couldn't "rectify it in a satisfactory manner". They will continue to evaluate their position in valorant as an org as they are still able to play challengers

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why are u downvoted wtf

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Maybe the link is not working for some people

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"Minor offence" last year on platchat leo Faria was asked what would it take for a team to get removed from league and his response was "a breach/non-compliance of the TPA(team participating agreement)". So yeah even if it's minor to us, for riot this is not a minor thing

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SuperRoss

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You can argue semantics all you want,
But this clearly not the solution

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Firstly I don't really know what does semantics(google says the study of words but idk what it's supposed to mean) mean, secondly You mention a point deduction system if team's players do something they aren't supposed to, but here it's not about a team's player but the team itself.
Also, I understand what you are trying to say but we don't know what went internally or how severe the case was, so if they decided to remove a team then they must have had a pretty good reason.
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My personal thoughts: from reading some of these comments I think they didn't pay the players salary on time and according to riot they built this franchise league to have a good system where there is contracts setup and all parties involved recieve paycheck on time and many more things(this was said when franchising was starting in 2023, you can read this stuff from various sources) and I think not doing so is kindof a bad thing especially in a system built to prevent it

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SuperRoss

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None of the info available to us points to bleed not paying their players, as i said this based on the info available to us, nothing more nothing less

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Yeah, I am also not sure about that info since I have only seen some comments talk about it

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Leo Faria (brazilian): Aspas can't leave americas if his destination team gets terminated. TRY LEAVE NOW BUDDY!!!

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tserc

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umm

what?

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this guy is just braindead ignore and move on

#30

SuperRoss

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Everyone out here dickriding the multibillion company

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You can install twitter and see the bleed post

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SuperRoss

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as i said already, seen, read and useless,
thanks for spamming a redundant link in my inbox

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Rude

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https://ibb.co/qsnHzcM
The twitter image from bleed

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0/8

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Targu1n

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No, but I think its safe to say that Riot doesnt value ascended teams at all and I find that a bit worrying.

The 2 pieces of information we have are late payments and lackluster communication (which I would assume are tied to these payments).

I think its good to hold your orgs accountable, however Im not sure I like how much more severe the consequences are for ascended teams. When you pay the orgs you have to have some more reasonable tools to force compliance with the TPA than to outright terminate the partnership.

Remember Partnerships whole point is to be more stable. This just proves once more that its supposed to be stable for t1 orgs. T2 orgs can go die in a ditch for all riot care, as long as they keep wasting money in t2 for the carrot of getting into t1.

We have Riots direct partners (as in TOs in t2) not pay prize pools for YEARS now, with little to no consequences. If it benefits Riot theyre more than willing to turn a blind eye.

Idk... I sorta hope theres more than just payments. This reaction is currently way over the top.
If there wasnt anything else then I hope Riot uses other tools in the future to force compliance, or at the very least clearly communicates it with teams and players ahead of time. Players and staff should not get screwed over like this.

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SuperRoss

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this is exactly where i stand

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T2 orgs can go die in a ditch for all riot care, as long as they keep wasting money in t2 for the carrot of getting into t1.

As a VCJ watcher this actually concerns me for quite some time now. T2 Jp actually spends a shit ton of money, but unfortunately probably only 20% of that money and resource only end up benefitting jp t1

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you don't pay your players on time you don't deserve to be in tier 1. it is a huge brand risk for riot

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SuperRoss

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not clear if that's the case, based on the info shared by riot and the org at least

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https://x.com/purest/status/1842071661572440471?s=46&t=yUm5KskebijyAzlkpjz04Q

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It's clear this issue has been ongoing for months and reached the breaking point. They clearly couldn't trust them for this upcoming season so had to make the choice now to let the players go find work along with letting Boom set up operations in Korea. This option is much better than extending Bleed's runway for deliverables and making this choice instead right before the season where we end up with an 11 team league