players who 'flopped' after going to a team

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c4rrotstix

This is a list of players who completely died after going to a different team, but people expected them to do well:

Marved - NRG
Demon1 - NRG
Yay - DSG/Bleed (after looking back at yay's c9 run yeah he didn't flop there the roles were completely fucked and weird and not his fault)
Pancada - Sen
Dephh - Sen
All of old FPX/NAVI in 2024
Sayaplayer - T1 (my bad after looking carefully he had game)
Scream - KC
Nivera - KC
Magnum - KC (I DONT CARE THAT THEY DID WELL FIRST SPLIT HIS IGLING IS WHY THEY FELL OFF A CLIFF IT WAS HIS FAULT)
Ezn0/M0stic - TL

lmk any others

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marved was not a flop on sen he was just there as the 6th and was forced to play after tenz injury and then had to igl

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c4rrotstix

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he flopped on nrg tho + by that logic yay wasn't a flop on c9

Edit: I looked back at his games and the roles were majorly fucked up so highkey wasn't his fault on C9 that he didnt perform perfectly as usual, but I will stick to the idea that he flopped on DSG

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chrlxz

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he wasnt a flop on c9 lmfao he got kicked for reasons beyond his control

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BUFF163

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He got kicked because of role issues. Whose fault do you think it is that he can only play Chamber?

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chrlxz

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'role issues' THEY COULDNT AFFORD HIM

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BUFF163

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https://www.dexerto.com/valorant/cloud9-valorant-coach-doubles-down-on-role-issues-for-vanity-and-yay-exit-2283697/

https://x.com/C9VAL/status/1631021541499580416

they clearly said role issues and flexibility issues

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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nah bro believes everything

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BUFF163

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What should I believe in then? A baseless theory made up by yay fans?

The fact remains that he was kicked out for not being flexible

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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If monetary problems were not the case why didnt they just pick up a well known player instead of runi? They obviously couldnt afford yay. And its not unknown fact that c9 is broke

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BUFF163

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every well-known player was signed by the time

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backslider

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Literally no one bought that I’m surprised you believed it

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BUFF163

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yay is so shit that his fans are denying reality

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backslider

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Lmfaooo literally every analyst coach and player knew it was a money problem it’s so blatantly obvious it was even joked about by yay 💀💀

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BUFF163

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Analysts, pros, and Yay all agreed it was a role and flexibility issue

continue thread →

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Botfragger9000

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this guy doesn't lock his doors because someone cant legally break into his house

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BUFF163

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this guy believes the earth is flat and uses a pizza box as evidence

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it has been common knowledge since he got dropped that it had nothing to do with roles and everything to do with c9 being a poverty org you don’t have to be a yay fan to know this

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gold2peak

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Cn0d navi

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c4rrotstix

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redeemed himself on FUT
he was not the problem ange1 was putting him on sage on bind

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K4ziuHa

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read title

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sexocum

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how many lans has navi made since dropping cned may I ask?

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gold2peak

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He broke them

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uhh
Keith “ardiis” 007

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c4rrotstix

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ardiis did pretty damn good for what he was filling in for bro

he had the job to fill in the shoes of the best year of any player all time and he did damn good even with the meta changes not being favorable for nrg and him being forced on weird roles on some maps

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GambleNats

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he was also like the second highest rated duelist in tokyo behind kk iirc

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Aayan

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tbh I don't even think c9 yay was particularly bad (sure he wasnt playing like peak 2022 yay), but I'd still say his downfall really started from DSG

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ArvY

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Yeah he was perfectly fine on C9, ever since he got kicked from there cuz they couldn't afford to keep him, he's been doing ass

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jimjam789

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saya didnt die he didnt really good in 2023

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sexocum

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fartdiis
zeek on th (unfortunately)

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c4rrotstix

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was zeek ever hyped that much for th

like 2023 th i dont think anyone had large expectations for outside of maybe eu people, like when I was looking at the scene i was like oh navi gonna be good fnatic gonna be good scream karmine gonna be good liquid with nats n sayf gonna be good but th never came up for me

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Raevus

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idek why people hyped zeek up so much.

He was insanely hyped up when he left noplenki to join g2, then g2 just fumbled game after game. His only good showcase was his champs 21 run, which he returned to being another average pro player again.
People just treated him as a superstar player because he was insane on noplenki, playing against the likes of Wave, Forze, BIG. His performances he ever had against tier1 EU at the time, was always inconsistent.

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sexocum

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I kinda did glaze him hoping for a comeback (which didn't come) so uhhh yeah

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Azzelastia

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NRG would have qualified for every LAN if they played in EU or APAC
Americas is the hardest region.

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reaper_rega08

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Then why did y0y suck in APAC if it was easy. He got shit on by GE lol.

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Rugsssssss

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skrossi

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reaper_rega08

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Sacy to SEN too if we consider 2023 only. Dont know why they dropped Pancada only. Sacy was'nt great too.

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Pinguinn

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Dephh was never good wdym

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Mylotic

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When people will realize that bleed wasnt the problem for yay the actual problem was Chamber nerf without chamber he was just one average duelist, he is the first one trick player that flooped after his main character got nerfed

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ArvY

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are you high? I'm not even a yay fan but he was literally the best jett in NA for a while and that's why Envy picked him up, he made a name for himself after his high kill game against TSM which roza praised him for. Yes he fell off after that, but he was still a good duelist before chamber came out.

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GambleNats

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look at berlin and champs in 2021 and then look at me and tell me with a straight face that yay was average

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zmjjkkkkkkk

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sayaplayer did not flop bro he was good on t1. he was like the highest rated player in the last split on his team

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saynotoherpes

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bcj on EG, not a super hard flop but just wasnt to his xset levels

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ArvY

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bro he was completely fine on EG if we're talking individual gameplay, he was their best player at the time and everyone agreed on that. it's just that the team was horrendous and after demon1 stepped in, the team became phenomenally better.

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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hiroronn was expected to do well if it wasn't for the coaching staff shoving initiator role on him

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Hobbit

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Derke - VIT

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SXNFLGJL

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Nobody thought dephh was going to do well on sen
They should have only signed zekken lol

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GambleNats

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they made a deal to sign 3 people from xset no? to ensure they can get zekken

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wololoo7

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starxo to koi

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GambleNats

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this is a great shout, tbh most of kois roster was dissapointing

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GambleNats

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"All of old FPX/NAVI in 2024"

if we count that we can surely talk about GMB -> M3C or are the cases different here?
and idk if D3ffo counts but he wasnt doing great in tier 2 china

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ArvY

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why would gmb/m3c/deffo count? he's talking about franchised teams

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GambleNats

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mb gang, didnt know it was about franchised teams only

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Warlordwibz

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Benkai

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Darkobas01

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It's basically all of GE. GE manages to bring the worst out of every individual that joins them.

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Warlordwibz

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but people expected them to do well

only india expect GE to do well. Most people only expect Benkai and maybe even blazeking to do well.

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Darkobas01

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Lol look at the amount of hate they got when they announced the roster, every player was called out.

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Vegaaa

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Pancada didnt fall off he just wasnt on roles he wanted to play bcus of the marved situation. also yay didnt have role issues, he was just too expensive. look at how budget c9 was last year and most likely this year. yay is a jett/senti player yet they had him on sage a lot instead of senti.