players who 'flopped' after going to a team

This is a list of players who completely died after going to a different team, but people expected them to do well:

Marved - NRG
Demon1 - NRG
Yay - DSG/Bleed (after looking back at yay's c9 run yeah he didn't flop there the roles were completely fucked and weird and not his fault)
Pancada - Sen
Dephh - Sen
All of old FPX/NAVI in 2024
Sayaplayer - T1 (my bad after looking carefully he had game)
Scream - KC
Nivera - KC
Magnum - KC (I DONT CARE THAT THEY DID WELL FIRST SPLIT HIS IGLING IS WHY THEY FELL OFF A CLIFF IT WAS HIS FAULT)
Ezn0/M0stic - TL

lmk any others

marved was not a flop on sen he was just there as the 6th and was forced to play after tenz injury and then had to igl

chrlxz [#2]

marved was not a flop on sen he was just there as the 6th and was forced to play after tenz injury and then had to igl

he flopped on nrg tho + by that logic yay wasn't a flop on c9

Edit: I looked back at his games and the roles were majorly fucked up so highkey wasn't his fault on C9 that he didnt perform perfectly as usual, but I will stick to the idea that he flopped on DSG

Cn0d navi

gold2peak [#4]

Cn0d navi

1. redeemed himself on FUT
2. he was not the problem ange1 was putting him on sage on bind

uhh
Keith “ardiis” 007

c4rrotstix [#3]

he flopped on nrg tho + by that logic yay wasn't a flop on c9

Edit: I looked back at his games and the roles were majorly fucked up so highkey wasn't his fault on C9 that he didnt perform perfectly as usual, but I will stick to the idea that he flopped on DSG

he wasnt a flop on c9 lmfao he got kicked for reasons beyond his control

tbh I don't even think c9 yay was particularly bad (sure he wasnt playing like peak 2022 yay), but I'd still say his downfall really started from DSG

saya didnt die he didnt really good in 2023

fartdiis
zeek on th (unfortunately)

gold2peak [#4]

Cn0d navi

how many lans has navi made since dropping cned may I ask?

sexocum [#11]

how many lans has navi made since dropping cned may I ask?

He broke them

chrlxz [#7]

he wasnt a flop on c9 lmfao he got kicked for reasons beyond his control

He got kicked because of role issues. Whose fault do you think it is that he can only play Chamber?

NRG would have qualified for every LAN if they played in EU or APAC
Americas is the hardest region.

BUFF163 [#13]

He got kicked because of role issues. Whose fault do you think it is that he can only play Chamber?

'role issues' THEY COULDNT AFFORD HIM

skrossi

nobody___100 [#6]

uhh
Keith “ardiis” 007

ardiis did pretty damn good for what he was filling in for bro

he had the job to fill in the shoes of the best year of any player all time and he did damn good even with the meta changes not being favorable for nrg and him being forced on weird roles on some maps

sexocum [#10]

fartdiis
zeek on th (unfortunately)

was zeek ever hyped that much for th

like 2023 th i dont think anyone had large expectations for outside of maybe eu people, like when I was looking at the scene i was like oh navi gonna be good fnatic gonna be good scream karmine gonna be good liquid with nats n sayf gonna be good but th never came up for me

chrlxz [#15]

'role issues' THEY COULDNT AFFORD HIM

https://www.dexerto.com/valorant/cloud9-valorant-coach-doubles-down-on-role-issues-for-vanity-and-yay-exit-2283697/

https://x.com/C9VAL/status/1631021541499580416

they clearly said role issues and flexibility issues

Azzelastia [#14]

NRG would have qualified for every LAN if they played in EU or APAC
Americas is the hardest region.

Then why did y0y suck in APAC if it was easy. He got shit on by GE lol.

Sacy to SEN too if we consider 2023 only. Dont know why they dropped Pancada only. Sacy was'nt great too.

BUFF163 [#19]

https://www.dexerto.com/valorant/cloud9-valorant-coach-doubles-down-on-role-issues-for-vanity-and-yay-exit-2283697/

https://x.com/C9VAL/status/1631021541499580416

they clearly said role issues and flexibility issues

nah bro believes everything

welikefortniteandvalorant [#22]

nah bro believes everything

What should I believe in then? A baseless theory made up by yay fans?

The fact remains that he was kicked out for not being flexible

Dephh was never good wdym

BUFF163 [#23]

What should I believe in then? A baseless theory made up by yay fans?

The fact remains that he was kicked out for not being flexible

If monetary problems were not the case why didnt they just pick up a well known player instead of runi? They obviously couldnt afford yay. And its not unknown fact that c9 is broke

welikefortniteandvalorant [#25]

If monetary problems were not the case why didnt they just pick up a well known player instead of runi? They obviously couldnt afford yay. And its not unknown fact that c9 is broke

every well-known player was signed by the time

When people will realize that bleed wasnt the problem for yay the actual problem was Chamber nerf without chamber he was just one average duelist, he is the first one trick player that flooped after his main character got nerfed

sayaplayer did not flop bro he was good on t1. he was like the highest rated player in the last split on his team

BUFF163 [#19]

https://www.dexerto.com/valorant/cloud9-valorant-coach-doubles-down-on-role-issues-for-vanity-and-yay-exit-2283697/

https://x.com/C9VAL/status/1631021541499580416

they clearly said role issues and flexibility issues

Literally no one bought that I’m surprised you believed it

bcj on EG, not a super hard flop but just wasnt to his xset levels

hiroronn was expected to do well if it wasn't for the coaching staff shoving initiator role on him

c4rrotstix [#18]

was zeek ever hyped that much for th

like 2023 th i dont think anyone had large expectations for outside of maybe eu people, like when I was looking at the scene i was like oh navi gonna be good fnatic gonna be good scream karmine gonna be good liquid with nats n sayf gonna be good but th never came up for me

idek why people hyped zeek up so much.

He was insanely hyped up when he left noplenki to join g2, then g2 just fumbled game after game. His only good showcase was his champs 21 run, which he returned to being another average pro player again.
People just treated him as a superstar player because he was insane on noplenki, playing against the likes of Wave, Forze, BIG. His performances he ever had against tier1 EU at the time, was always inconsistent.

BUFF163 [#19]

https://www.dexerto.com/valorant/cloud9-valorant-coach-doubles-down-on-role-issues-for-vanity-and-yay-exit-2283697/

https://x.com/C9VAL/status/1631021541499580416

they clearly said role issues and flexibility issues

this guy doesn't lock his doors because someone cant legally break into his house

backslider [#29]

Literally no one bought that I’m surprised you believed it

yay is so shit that his fans are denying reality

Derke - VIT

Botfragger9000 [#33]

this guy doesn't lock his doors because someone cant legally break into his house

this guy believes the earth is flat and uses a pizza box as evidence

Nobody thought dephh was going to do well on sen
They should have only signed zekken lol

BUFF163 [#34]

yay is so shit that his fans are denying reality

Lmfaooo literally every analyst coach and player knew it was a money problem it’s so blatantly obvious it was even joked about by yay 💀💀

starxo to koi

Aayan [#8]

tbh I don't even think c9 yay was particularly bad (sure he wasnt playing like peak 2022 yay), but I'd still say his downfall really started from DSG

Yeah he was perfectly fine on C9, ever since he got kicked from there cuz they couldn't afford to keep him, he's been doing ass

"All of old FPX/NAVI in 2024"

if we count that we can surely talk about GMB -> M3C or are the cases different here?
and idk if D3ffo counts but he wasnt doing great in tier 2 china

Mylotic [#27]

When people will realize that bleed wasnt the problem for yay the actual problem was Chamber nerf without chamber he was just one average duelist, he is the first one trick player that flooped after his main character got nerfed

are you high? I'm not even a yay fan but he was literally the best jett in NA for a while and that's why Envy picked him up, he made a name for himself after his high kill game against TSM which roza praised him for. Yes he fell off after that, but he was still a good duelist before chamber came out.

wololoo7 [#39]

starxo to koi

this is a great shout, tbh most of kois roster was dissapointing

SXNFLGJL [#37]

Nobody thought dephh was going to do well on sen
They should have only signed zekken lol

they made a deal to sign 3 people from xset no? to ensure they can get zekken

saynotoherpes [#30]

bcj on EG, not a super hard flop but just wasnt to his xset levels

bro he was completely fine on EG if we're talking individual gameplay, he was their best player at the time and everyone agreed on that. it's just that the team was horrendous and after demon1 stepped in, the team became phenomenally better.

Mylotic [#27]

When people will realize that bleed wasnt the problem for yay the actual problem was Chamber nerf without chamber he was just one average duelist, he is the first one trick player that flooped after his main character got nerfed

look at berlin and champs in 2021 and then look at me and tell me with a straight face that yay was average

c4rrotstix [#17]

ardiis did pretty damn good for what he was filling in for bro

he had the job to fill in the shoes of the best year of any player all time and he did damn good even with the meta changes not being favorable for nrg and him being forced on weird roles on some maps

he was also like the second highest rated duelist in tokyo behind kk iirc

GambleNats [#41]

"All of old FPX/NAVI in 2024"

if we count that we can surely talk about GMB -> M3C or are the cases different here?
and idk if D3ffo counts but he wasnt doing great in tier 2 china

why would gmb/m3c/deffo count? he's talking about franchised teams

ArvY [#48]

why would gmb/m3c/deffo count? he's talking about franchised teams

mb gang, didnt know it was about franchised teams only

c4rrotstix [#5]

1. redeemed himself on FUT
2. he was not the problem ange1 was putting him on sage on bind

read title

backslider [#38]

Lmfaooo literally every analyst coach and player knew it was a money problem it’s so blatantly obvious it was even joked about by yay 💀💀

Analysts, pros, and Yay all agreed it was a role and flexibility issue

Benkai

Warlordwibz [#52]

Benkai

It's basically all of GE. GE manages to bring the worst out of every individual that joins them.

Darkobas01 [#53]

It's basically all of GE. GE manages to bring the worst out of every individual that joins them.

but people expected them to do well

only india expect GE to do well. Most people only expect Benkai and maybe even blazeking to do well.

Pancada didnt fall off he just wasnt on roles he wanted to play bcus of the marved situation. also yay didnt have role issues, he was just too expensive. look at how budget c9 was last year and most likely this year. yay is a jett/senti player yet they had him on sage a lot instead of senti.

c4rrotstix [#18]

was zeek ever hyped that much for th

like 2023 th i dont think anyone had large expectations for outside of maybe eu people, like when I was looking at the scene i was like oh navi gonna be good fnatic gonna be good scream karmine gonna be good liquid with nats n sayf gonna be good but th never came up for me

I kinda did glaze him hoping for a comeback (which didn't come) so uhhh yeah

BUFF163 [#19]

https://www.dexerto.com/valorant/cloud9-valorant-coach-doubles-down-on-role-issues-for-vanity-and-yay-exit-2283697/

https://x.com/C9VAL/status/1631021541499580416

they clearly said role issues and flexibility issues

it has been common knowledge since he got dropped that it had nothing to do with roles and everything to do with c9 being a poverty org you don’t have to be a yay fan to know this

BUFF163 [#51]

Analysts, pros, and Yay all agreed it was a role and flexibility issue

Now you’ve resorted to just lying lmfaoo or you just completely overwrote your memory and lied to yourself

Warlordwibz [#54]

but people expected them to do well

only india expect GE to do well. Most people only expect Benkai and maybe even blazeking to do well.

Lol look at the amount of hate they got when they announced the roster, every player was called out.