flashback drama come

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Everyone is wrong.Unconsensual internal ejaculation was merely the starting point for the relationship between Flashback and the exposer.

Her initial claim was that when their relationship turned sour, she thought Flashback was two-timing her by meeting his ex-girlfriend. Flashback himself said it was a misunderstanding and not two-timing, but his girlfriend did not believe him.

She then said that she would expose Flashback's two-timing after the semi-finals. Although Flashback apologised, she felt that his attitude was insincere and demanded an apology for that as well.

Initially, this was all she revealed, but as the timeline progressed, it gradually morphed into a story of agenda rape of a minor. Furthermore, these details were lost in translation, and various texts were circulated that focused on words like "victim" and "vaginal semen shot".

When I read all the materials and all the posts in the case in Korean, there was no real wrongdoing. After the non-consensual vaginal penetration, they were in a relationship to take responsibility for themselves, and after that they just misbehaved with each other.

From the beginning, the focus wasn't on the rape. Not only did the rape not happen, but this issue is at the very front of this whole series of timelines. It can't be the focus now.

If it was a real rape, then this whole sequence of them becoming a couple, dating for a short time and breaking up is the part that doesn't make sense. Her remaining a DRX fan, her being invited to the VCT stadium, it all contradicts itself.

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yup, this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion when the english speaking community got a hold of it

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i blame that one person on twitter that quoted it and added

tw // r*pe

Now everyone just saw it and assumed the worst

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thats a classic ain't it?

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toofan1

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Yes it is

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Exactly, why can't things ever be handled privately? I'm not saying it's bad to speak up, of course, it's good to speak out about things such as SA, etc. But (just IMO) in this situation, matters should've handled privately without causing this much negative attraction.

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https://x.com/csqix66/status/1816125024258117650

She even tried to make the flashbacks look worse by posting unconfirmed things in English.

The translated sentence and the one in Korean are different.

The Korean sentence says 'I don't know who the additional victims are yet', but the translated sentence doesn't say that.

This means that it's an unverified claim by a third party, and the tweet was deliberately translated into English to spread the word that there were more victims without any evidence.

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jubby

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So she's pretty much claiming another narrative without proper evidence to back it up?

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No victims have come forward, at least not yet, but it was quoted by a Japanese Twitter user and seen by millions. It's horrifying.

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jubby

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It's scary how fast allegations (regardless of whether it's true or not) spread and how people immediately jump to conclusions without seeing both sides and waiting for an official statement with proper evidence.

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wow an actual insight into all this, very rare to see. let’s see what happens in the coming days; lot of people calling for flashback to be immediately dropped but i’m glad there’s someone who understands this better than the english community

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bump

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gordonramsay

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it was kinda obvious it was being blown out of proportion especially the rape/minor part. Sadly the damage done to flashbacks career might be irreversible

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Zeron

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thank you for solving the mystery gang

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And it would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for...

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Oh so it already happened a long time ago and she already forgave him for that

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It happened months ago, and I'm pretty sure she didn't consider it rape, at least not at the beginning of their relationship. It was just option for her to attack him after they broke up.

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So the whole semi-final/lower final thing was pure BS because everyone including myself took it as it happening after the lower final but no this happened way long ago presumably around flashback being benched i am assuming? You should probably spread this to twitter or something so more people can see it

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toofan1

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happening after the lower final

Even if u had followed a bit about case you would have known that it was months before but she suddenly brought this up only after they qual to champs

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catNmouse

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Yea idk, like why not bring it up when flashback was brought back or something, so many questions we’ll never know

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toofan1

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She wants to ruin his carrier bro

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Simp4S0m

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She retweets Something clips, maybe she was secretly a PRX fan and got salty they lost xd

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toofan1

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Bruhh☠️💀💀

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this is one hell of an info mate

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Jujuu

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Bruh dont bring other teams here bro

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every single time "drama" gets regurgitated online, small bits of misinformation get sprinkled in. the difference between each individual post is small enough that it's not noticeable, but it snowballs into complete falsehoods and it's disgusting

the people here that were continually making newer and newer threads introducing new information thinking they were being "informative" were just poisoning the well for misinfo, whether intentional or not

twitter did the same thing, all gross

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catNmouse

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ButterflyEffect23 catching strays here

jokes aside I agree with you, don’t want this to turn out into another sinatraa situation

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strays? he caught the whole clip

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ASTEROIDCHILD

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bro i do not know this guy by name i just kept seeing slop posts updated every hour with zero benefit and only potential harm

all i could think is to GO OUTSIDE!!!!! KICK A BALL OR SOMETHING!!!!!! GO READ A BOOK

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I'm so scared of this situation that has turned a player who is only 18 years old into an asshole.

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this might be the new kdrama series, ngl

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korean scandals never disappoint lmao

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butterflyeffect23 you mightve ruined this kids career remember that

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pitchfork

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yeah he constantly yapping abt it while saying "wait for drx statement" like bruh????

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Simp4S0m

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It was the "big reveal soon of this disgusting person" lol

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can we raise your name to get butterflyeffect23 banned?

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Not just him, everyone who jumped to conclusions before there were any conclusive facts also contributed. This is why Innocent before Guilty should be the standard.

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DRXfanboy

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His translation was written as "minor rape," but somehow it's now changed to “non-consensually ejaculation” This is really interesting🤔

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BeKind

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similar to sinatraa case

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so it's just down to cheating now?

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wait but how does people know it flashback i havent been caught up and i am not reading it on twitter

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a lot of hints

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She's replied to tweets accusing flashback (worth mentioning that she herself didn't explicitly say it was FB), also she said the discord server of the alleged perpetrator deleted their discord server, flashback is the only one who fits that description

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Age

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so is the situation alright now or is it still going on?

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yukky

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it’s ongoing but i think drx might let it cool down for a while and won’t really take any action til after champs

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idkmanwth

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this shit really annoys me, this situation waited for soo long, especially till when drx finally qualified for their first lan this year, hopefully everything goes right

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__scarlet__

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At the very least, it's clear that the issue isn't serious enough to warrant banning the player. It's not without moral responsibility, but according to the timeline of events, it was simply an emotional argument between two people.

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not trying to be sarcastic genuinely just want to ask a straw poll about whether people believe non-consensual vaginal penetration (as the op put it) counts as "no wrongdoing"
cause IMO that's still pretty messed up and I wouldn't root for a team with a guy like that (which tbf I alr kinda stopped being a DRX superfan once all the OG members left)

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It is a bad thing. If he did that, it's a scummy thing to do.
But he was getting dragged for being an child rapist which is not good.
Obviously there is wrongdoing but real question is why the fuck were they not using a condom

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Not defending anyone in this situation just wanted to answer the question as a general relationship thing, there's a lot of reasons as to why people don't use condoms that if I shared here might get the mods angry so I'll just leave that to you to search up (just know that apparently its more "enjoyable"). Also know that him not "pulling out" is on him but there's basically no way you can prove if he intentionally did it or not but based on the OP I think that he didn't mean to do it as he tried to take responsibility afterwards as well.

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Depends on the details. Was it a heat of the moment or was it forceful with malicious intent? One's an accident and the other is on purpose and imo that makes a huge difference morally. If we don't know the details we shouldn't judge. Look at how that turned out the first time.

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Denjisideals

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This too
And honestly it's impossible to know since she can say it was intentional and he can say it was an accident.
We will never know.

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Whatever it is, I just hope he's not known as the person who raped a minor. Cause that would really fucking suck and is just horrible slander.

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Denjisideals

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That's what I am saying.
I am on no one's side here.
May whoever is right get their justice

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number_one_lakia_fan

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even if it was an "accident" he would still be at fault
ig the best analogy is that if you cause a car crash without malicious intent, yeah it was an accident but you are still at fault for being reckless

in the case of ejaculation, which seems to be one of the only things everyone can agree happened if the girl didn't explicitly agree to it then even if the guy (who we technically are not supposed to know who it is) did it on accident, he still was reckless and potentially caused great emotional distress to the girl, especially worse if she were to get pregnant

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That certain situation is still his fault, but think about the contrast between something like that happening and raping a minor. That's a huge difference and his name is forever tarnished cause of a mistranslation. He will be known by many as someone who did something way worse than what he actually did and that in my opinion is a crime. Slander about a topic like raping a minor is something I genuinely don't wish on anybody.

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Non-consensual vaginal penetration can be wrong.

However, there is a clear distinction between the behaviour itself being wrong and it being criminalised.

He entered into a relationship with her to be responsible for it, which suggests that some sort of agreement had already been reached between them by the time she didn't report him immediately.

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lets really think about it tho. So apparently this happened a few months ago and if it was really non consensual wouldnt and shouldnt she have said something then? Imo the focus should be about if she is doing this out of spite. She accuses him of being in contact with his ex and cheating........ Suddenly this starts blowing up after she finds that out? or am I missing some points here

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bro yk most girls who are sexually assaulted don't just hop in their car and drive to the police station or immediately call 911 after the incident happens?
sometimes it takes years before they're ready to accept what happened to them and report the issue
for guys who get sexually assaulted its even worse because there's the unfair added societal shame that comes with a dude being taken advantage of, so most guys just never even report it in their lives (but that's beside the point here)

also a lot of times there's a power dynamic (e.g. random fan vs. beloved player) so basically they're scared that it will be their word against there's and people will believe the more popular guy (you see it on vlr where most ppl seem to believe drx player over the girl)

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ofc it takes time to process and deal with that. But Im saying this based on the sequence of events. They were in a relationship at the time and everything seemed fine up until she finds out he was in contact with his ex? Idk seems fishy to me. And in no way am I downplaying any REAL situations where girls were assaulted. But in this case the variables are different than your typical SA case.

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they weren’t in an actual relationship at the time, they ended up dating after, and from how she made it seem, she was the one that really wanted to date him and he was skeptical at the time. IDK, how you can go from wanting to be in a full relationship to this without some type of spite being involved

This only further supports your point

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It can genuinely come out faster than you think

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it is rape

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Utolevia

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If Tenten can be kicked for being racist to toxic flipzjder what are the odds Flashback gets removed for a non-consensual sexual act?

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bro fucking cursed a race with disgust on stream

bro was in a relationship with a girl and did not pull out and has allegations of meeting with his ex

one is a public incident other is private

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Not sure where you're from but in many places what he allegedly did constitutes as sexual assault, but yes we should wait for more details on the case before jumping to conclusions. I did mention in another thread that the victim in question is also trying to ruin his career out of revenge or malice. Doesn't matter if it is public or private, all that matters is whether the incident reflects positively or negatively about a player.

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bro i feel so bad for flashback hes like freshly 18 and everyone is flaming him online for something that he might not have even done

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if i had a nickle for every time bad translations have caused valorant drama i'd have two nickles, which isn't a lot but its weird it happened twice.

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bump!

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This ‘drama’ got so out of hand by the vlr community. Like I get it this is the Valorant community and one of the major players had allegations put against them, but at the end of the day we have no part in this whatsoever.

Secondly I think the actions of butterfly_effect (BE) were truly weird during this drama. First he made an original thread - fine, but then he made another and another, basically mass spreading the situation and adding any little detail they could get their hands on confirmed or not

This lead to BE then messaging the victim and putting that on ANOTHER thread. I just found this weird as they’re not connected to this situation at all, pushed even further by the fact they don’t even live in Korea. At this point I knew this was really fishy and the allegations would somewhat fall

Butterfly effect has basically slandered and defamed flashback to oblivion - which is really low

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mf should get sued for defamation

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Simple thing to do is mass report the guy who was spreading this shi, Hopefully MOD hardware ban him if possible

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I feel so sorry for the flashback. It's already spilled water, so who can replete it?? Do you think it makes sense that someone should be a criminal because of a weirdo's comment?

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Well its the same like sinatraa case. If sinatraa cant comeback, that means flashback career is over too then?

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I don't follow this drama quite well, but from what I read in other threads. Rape or no rape, the girl is minor.
And having sex with minor should be illegal, with consent or no consent since minor means you still not reach age of consent.

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nah bro both are minors when it happened

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didn't they mention that the player was also a minor when it happened tho?

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both minors brah

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I told everyone, and I was right just as I thought, you guys are so quick to jump to conclusions without any proof that it's crazy. I would appreciate if everyone uses their brain and keeps a hold of their emotions before angrily spouting non sense about someone. To control your emotions is a superpower that very few people have, but if you do , your calmness and emotions are your strengths.

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Man i really wanted to see drx free1ng

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“there was no real wrongdoing. After the non-consensual vaginal penetration” are you fucking crazy that is rape no justification you are disgusting for even trying to justify this

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He said non consensual ejaculations not penetration. Both are two different things because one is considered rape and the other is considered battery at most.

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That is still a fucking crime and he should be removed from his roster try justifying that action to someone in the street

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